when i'm in the states next year i fully intend not to tip. I dont care that the service might be shitty next time i'm in there as i wont be in the same place twice. if staff 'feel hurt' that they only got 15% then wait till they get fuck all from me... then they'll know what real hurt is.
wait....with you're disdain for america well documented, why on earth would you want to come here?
They refill my drinks and take away the dirty plates, so I always leave 2-3 bucks.
I have done pretty much aspect of the service industry from bar service to serving hors d'oeuvres to Prince Edward :rolleyes: and I hated doing buffett work, all that set up and crap and probably the most under appreciated server in the industry.
If we want to talk about unfair wages almost everyone that works in seniors' homes are GROSSLY under paid. They should be making the millions not overpaid CEO's pissing people's money away.
at a self serve chinese buffet place i will (not every time) leave a couple extra bucks either on the table or at the register.
reason being is this.
i just ate like a hog, the food was great, and it only cost me 10 bucks.
hence the common courtesy i try to spread.
it is not required but i feel it is a good thing to do for myself and the restaurant just cause i'm a good fuckin guy.
to each their own.
what common courtesy? you paid the advertised price to eat at their restaurant... what courtesy did they give back? nothing... they charged you for the food.
tip McDonalds staff do you?
tip a bus driver?
tip a dentist's lowly paid assistant?
tip garbage men every week they do their job?
tip the greenkeeper on a golf course over there do they?
tip miners? what about farmhands? truck drivers?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
what common courtesy? you paid the advertised price to eat at their restaurant... what courtesy did they give back? nothing... they charged you for the food.
tip McDonalds staff do you?
tip a bus driver?
tip a dentist's lowly paid assistant?
tip garbage men every week they do their job?
tip the greenkeeper on a golf course over there do they?
tip miners? what about farmhands? truck drivers?
i need a gd tip.
how about tipping us broke ass poor ass college students?
i'd like to come home everyday with some nice little wad on green in my pocket.
but no, fuck no.
i get screwed over
exactly
hot tea is fresh and always coming
used dirty plates are removed
nice atmosphmere with that chinese style music
all while relaxing like a big fat hog
well worth a couple bucks left on the table
all that says to me, and maybe its cultural, is that "hey look at me, I'm american, i will leave a small tip as i'm american and you're chinese and we are much richer than you"
i know in your case you're not saying that... but thats how i 'see' it...
I'd hate to be in a job that meant i had to be nice as fuck all the time in the hope they leave me a big tip... i'd feel like a cheap prostitute, hanging onto the hope of a nice tip from someone i couldnt really care about it. horrible.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
what common courtesy? you paid the advertised price to eat at their restaurant... what courtesy did they give back? nothing... they charged you for the food.
tip McDonalds staff do you?
tip a bus driver?
tip a dentist's lowly paid assistant?
tip garbage men every week they do their job?
tip the greenkeeper on a golf course over there do they?
tip miners? what about farmhands? truck drivers?
I'm pretty sure we covered all things to 'justify' not tipping, last year Dunk :rolleyes: You are a master of non tipment, and the justification therefore of not feeling the need to partake in the custom of tip-itation, that the rest of mankind happily goes about without ever feeling any great ill, or side affects from may I add.
You are, I am at odds to point out, simply a mean, tight fisted, stereotypical Scotsman
Still, it's a personal choice
wait....with you're disdain for america well documented, why on earth would you want to come here?
1. to revolutionise the food service industry
2. you have immense rollercoasters
3. to spread the word of Scotland.
4. see if some people really are that fat in real life
5. appear in a porno, in ohhh lets say, Hollywood
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
what common courtesy? you paid the advertised price to eat at their restaurant... what courtesy did they give back? nothing... they charged you for the food.
tip McDonalds staff do you?
tip a bus driver?
tip a dentist's lowly paid assistant?
tip garbage men every week they do their job?
tip the greenkeeper on a golf course over there do they?
tip miners? what about farmhands? truck drivers?
I'm pretty sure we covered all things to 'justify' not tipping, last year Dunk :rolleyes: You are a master of non tipment, and the justification therefore of not feeling the need to partake in the custom of tip-itation, that the rest of mankind happily goes about without ever feeling any great ill, or side affects from may I add.
You are, I am at odds to point out, simply a mean, tight fisted, stereotypical Scotsman : D
Still, it's a personal choice
ah you get me wrong... its not that i wont tip, its that its expected I'll tip... and that irks me. i also dont like the 'defence' of the system on here... its a totally shit system and it cannot be justified to me. but i'm ok with tipping as a gesture but not because i might hurt someones feelings by tipping them 2.72$ less than they thought i was going to.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
all that says to me, and maybe its cultural, is that "hey look at me, I'm american, i will leave a small tip as i'm american and you're chinese and we are much richer than you"
i know in your case you're not saying that... but thats how i 'see' it...
I'd hate to be in a job that meant i had to be nice as fuck all the time in the hope they leave me a big tip... i'd feel like a cheap prostitute, hanging onto the hope of a nice tip from someone i couldnt really care about it. horrible.
i understand your view.
this is why i couldn't do the job.
and it is a difficult job working with the public.
i have zero patience for most difficult people.
i'd be like, fuck off...eat your damn food and get out.
the chinese restuarant owners (if new to this country) probably do not pay taxes anyway
they are most likely better off financially than i am.
when foreigners’ like that move here they do not pay taxes for like 5-8 years.
if memory serves me correctly, the government buys them a house and a car.
at least that's how it was 15 years ago.
(im not an expert at this stuff so do not quote me word for word, but i am close to being accurate i do believe so, yes.)
ah you get me wrong... its not that i wont tip, its that its expected I'll tip... and that irks me. i also dont like the 'defence' of the system on here... its a totally shit system and it cannot be justified to me. but i'm ok with tipping as a gesture but not because i might hurt someones feelings by tipping them 2.72$ less than they thought i was going to.
Ok, fair enough. As long as you're not just a meanie
personally, I don't worry about expectations, or 'the system'..I do as I feel is right and proper.
I used to always give the refuse guys a drink at xmas, but one time I was in the garden and I over heard one of them tell another to put back an old carpet I had put out to be taken, saying it wasn't their job.....ok, no tip for the refuse guys, let's play by the rule book if you want fellas.
No, because they make the actual minimum wage set by that state's standards. Servers do not.
so you know what state pays which minimum wage then? this makes it even more complex... we have a national minimum wage here.. its easier... so a wendys guy in Idaho might earn less than one in Nebraska. so do you tip the Idaho guy the extra to make it up?
and Crazy Mary has just said she gets $9 an hour basic wage... and yet she wants tips on top of that. the Wendys staff probably dont even get that as their basic minimum hourly wage and they guys bust a fucking gut.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
so you know what state pays which minimum wage then? this makes it even more complex... we have a national minimum wage here.. its easier... so a wendys guy in Idaho might earn less than one in Nebraska. so do you tip the Idaho guy the extra to make it up?
and Crazy Mary has just said she gets $9 an hour basic wage... and yet she wants tips on top of that. the Wendys staff probably dont even get that as their basic minimum hourly wage and they guys bust a fucking gut.
I'm going by Florida's min wages. It's 6-7 dollars an hour but servers make 3.77 dollars an hour.
But servers also do more than the average fast food worker when it comes to customers. Around here anyway.
i understand your view.
this is why i couldn't do the job.
and it is a difficult job working with the public.
i have zero patience for most difficult people.
i'd be like, fuck off...eat your damn food and get out.
the chinese restuarant owners (if new to this country) probably do not pay taxes anyway
they are most likely better off financially than i am.
when foreigners’ like that move here they do not pay taxes for like 5-8 years.
if memory serves me correctly, the government buys them a house and a car.
at least that's how it was 15 years ago.
(im not an expert at this stuff so do not quote me word for word, but i am close to being accurate i do believe so, yes.)
no sir,
it was just an experience i had at a job orientation many moons ago.
i became friends with some asian islanders who were hired as i was to work
at this certain company. they all told me this story i just typed out up above.
no taxes, cars, and housing is the deal they all received.
rather it is 100% fact, i do not know.
it is only what i was told by them.
no sir,
it was just an experience i had at a job orientation many moons ago.
i became friends with some asian islanders who were hired as i was to work
at this certain company. they all told me this story i just typed out up above.
no taxes, cars, and housing is the deal they all received.
rather it is 100% fact, i do not know.
it is only what i was told by them.
U sure it was a govt program?....sounds more like something the company would do for them....buy them a car/house, and gross-up their paycheck so that it appears as if their net pay = their agreed-upon salary after tax?
U sure it was a govt program?....sounds more like something the company would do for them....buy them a car/house, and gross-up their paycheck so that it appears as if their net pay = their agreed-upon salary after tax?
Ok, feelings on the subject of tipping aside, why the fuck don't waiters get paid minimum wage? Isn't that illegal?
I don't know how that came about. I know that it's done now because the government assumes that through tips, they'll make up the difference between their lowered hourly wage and the set minimum wage.
I don't know how that came about. I know that it's done now because the government assumes that through tips, they'll make up the difference between their lowered hourly wage and the set minimum wage.
But you don't know how it started in the first place? It's pretty fucked up. and also the whole reason you have to tip so much too.
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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wow, thanks for finding that. That's scary. They can look at the credit card tips and assume that I made $320 on Saturday. Which I didn't, since I tipped $113 to the bussers, hostess and kitchen.
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exactly
hot tea is fresh and always coming
used dirty plates are removed
nice atmosphmere with that chinese style music
all while relaxing like a big fat hog
well worth a couple bucks left on the table
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
wait....with you're disdain for america well documented, why on earth would you want to come here?
I have done pretty much aspect of the service industry from bar service to serving hors d'oeuvres to Prince Edward :rolleyes:
If we want to talk about unfair wages almost everyone that works in seniors' homes are GROSSLY under paid. They should be making the millions not overpaid CEO's pissing people's money away.
what common courtesy? you paid the advertised price to eat at their restaurant... what courtesy did they give back? nothing... they charged you for the food.
tip McDonalds staff do you?
tip a bus driver?
tip a dentist's lowly paid assistant?
tip garbage men every week they do their job?
tip the greenkeeper on a golf course over there do they?
tip miners? what about farmhands? truck drivers?
because dunkman wants to go to hollywood and become a porn star?
he will be the first kilt wearing dude in american porn with a bulky bag-pipe, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i need a gd tip.
how about tipping us broke ass poor ass college students?
i'd like to come home everyday with some nice little wad on green in my pocket.
but no, fuck no.
i get screwed over
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
all that says to me, and maybe its cultural, is that "hey look at me, I'm american, i will leave a small tip as i'm american and you're chinese and we are much richer than you"
i know in your case you're not saying that... but thats how i 'see' it...
I'd hate to be in a job that meant i had to be nice as fuck all the time in the hope they leave me a big tip... i'd feel like a cheap prostitute, hanging onto the hope of a nice tip from someone i couldnt really care about it. horrible.
I'm pretty sure we covered all things to 'justify' not tipping, last year Dunk :rolleyes: You are a master of non tipment, and the justification therefore of not feeling the need to partake in the custom of tip-itation, that the rest of mankind happily goes about without ever feeling any great ill, or side affects from may I add.
You are, I am at odds to point out, simply a mean, tight fisted, stereotypical Scotsman
Still, it's a personal choice
1. to revolutionise the food service industry
2. you have immense rollercoasters
3. to spread the word of Scotland.
4. see if some people really are that fat in real life
5. appear in a porno, in ohhh lets say, Hollywood
are you talking about all restaurants now?
ah you get me wrong... its not that i wont tip, its that its expected I'll tip... and that irks me. i also dont like the 'defence' of the system on here... its a totally shit system and it cannot be justified to me.
i suppose.
tip Wendy's staff?
i understand your view.
this is why i couldn't do the job.
and it is a difficult job working with the public.
i have zero patience for most difficult people.
i'd be like, fuck off...eat your damn food and get out.
the chinese restuarant owners (if new to this country) probably do not pay taxes anyway
they are most likely better off financially than i am.
when foreigners’ like that move here they do not pay taxes for like 5-8 years.
if memory serves me correctly, the government buys them a house and a car.
at least that's how it was 15 years ago.
(im not an expert at this stuff so do not quote me word for word, but i am close to being accurate i do believe so, yes.)
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
No, because they make the actual minimum wage set by that state's standards. Servers do not.
Ok, fair enough. As long as you're not just a meanie
personally, I don't worry about expectations, or 'the system'..I do as I feel is right and proper.
I used to always give the refuse guys a drink at xmas, but one time I was in the garden and I over heard one of them tell another to put back an old carpet I had put out to be taken, saying it wasn't their job.....ok, no tip for the refuse guys, let's play by the rule book if you want fellas.
so you know what state pays which minimum wage then? this makes it even more complex... we have a national minimum wage here.. its easier... so a wendys guy in Idaho might earn less than one in Nebraska. so do you tip the Idaho guy the extra to make it up?
and Crazy Mary has just said she gets $9 an hour basic wage... and yet she wants tips on top of that. the Wendys staff probably dont even get that as their basic minimum hourly wage and they guys bust a fucking gut.
I'm going by Florida's min wages. It's 6-7 dollars an hour but servers make 3.77 dollars an hour.
But servers also do more than the average fast food worker when it comes to customers. Around here anyway.
WTF, are you chanelling Archie Bunker?
no sir,
it was just an experience i had at a job orientation many moons ago.
i became friends with some asian islanders who were hired as i was to work
at this certain company. they all told me this story i just typed out up above.
no taxes, cars, and housing is the deal they all received.
rather it is 100% fact, i do not know.
it is only what i was told by them.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
U sure it was a govt program?....sounds more like something the company would do for them....buy them a car/house, and gross-up their paycheck so that it appears as if their net pay = their agreed-upon salary after tax?
i have no idea, dude.
more power to them.
i could care less if they pay taxes or not.
whatever it takes i guess, right?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't know how that came about. I know that it's done now because the government assumes that through tips, they'll make up the difference between their lowered hourly wage and the set minimum wage.
No idea how it started. It's been like that for many, many years.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/cookery/them/askawaiter/20061010_tip/index.htm
And, this on the IRS and history of the taxing of tip.
http://www.pmq.com/mag/2002fall/mike_roberts.shtml
wow, thanks for finding that. That's scary. They can look at the credit card tips and assume that I made $320 on Saturday. Which I didn't, since I tipped $113 to the bussers, hostess and kitchen.