New York Giants 2007-08

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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    Champagne Breakfast wrote:
    Colt Brennan

    i don't see him falling that far.

    i say draft a LB first, then use a second or third round pick on a QB (it's a very deep class this year).

    eli gets one more year as a starter (unless the giants miss the playoffs).
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,639
    they need a better offensive line.
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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    igotid88 wrote:
    they need a better offensive line.

    the o-line is just about the only part of the team that i actually like. that and the d-line.

    who would you replace?
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,639
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    the o-line is just about the only part of the team that i actually like. that and the d-line.

    who would you replace?

    they were good for the first part of the season. But they let a lot of defenders go through them. They let the defenders get their hands on the ball. They're good for the run though.
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  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    vitodacat wrote:
    Remember, it took Phil Simms a while before he was able to win in the playoffs.
    dude, I have been saying the exact same thing. the only problem is that Eli looks completely lost out there. I hate to say that, but he just looks confused. he throws off his back foot, he has the happy feet his brother had his first few years, and appears afraid to take the bit hit after the throw (not that he could be hit any harder that trottier hit him his rookie season). http://www.joncouture.com/EliSlam.jpg
    Champagne Breakfast wrote:
    Colt Brennan
    you are kidding right? dude played the second easiest division 1 schedule. he should have dominated.
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    the o-line is just about the only part of the team that i actually like. that and the d-line.

    who would you replace?
    agree completely.

    they need a playmaker at LB. Pierce is no longer that guy.

    They miss Wilson big time. he is a very underated safety.

    ward out for the year is bigger than shockey being out if you ask me. ward fit this offense well. he was just about the only playmaker on the team.

    RUN RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • vitodacat
    vitodacat Posts: 475
    igotid88 wrote:
    they were good for the first part of the season. But they let a lot of defenders go through them. They let the defenders get their hands on the ball. They're good for the run though.

    O-Line has been pretty good for the most part. Diehl has done an admirable at LT, but I dont think he is a long term answer there


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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    igotid88 wrote:
    they were good for the first part of the season. But they let a lot of defenders go through them. They let the defenders get their hands on the ball. They're good for the run though.

    the defense gets to the ball because eli lacks pocket presence, field awareness, and the confidence to get the ball downfield.

    the only player in NFL history with less field awareness than eli manning is sinorice moss. maybe mathias kiwanuka, too. accorsi could have avoided both of those messes by drafting santonio holmes instead of trading down twice. :rolleyes:
  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    you are kidding right? dude played the second easiest division 1 schedule. he should have dominated.

    agree completely.

    they need a playmaker at LB. Pierce is no longer that guy.

    They miss Wilson big time. he is a very underated safety.

    ward out for the year is bigger than shockey being out if you ask me. ward fit this offense well. he was just about the only playmaker on the team.

    RUN RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    let's see how colt brennan does against georgia. that game will be a huge measuring stick for him. a bigger downside than his level of competition might be his age. he'll be 25 by the start of the '08 season. that being said, he projects well as an NFL QB and i think he'll fly off the board pretty quickly (maybe after brian brohm and matt ryan... who else am i forgetting? andre' woodson?). a lot of NFL teams need franchise QBs right now.

    the LB class isn't quite as strong this year, but i still think that's where the giants should be looking. they need some serious help there.

    i like gibril wilson. he hits hard and makes plays on the ball. he's not the best SS in the league, but he was a nice surprise as a fifth round pick. i'm starting to like michael johnson, too.

    ward was a big loss, but it wouldn't have been nearly as devastating if they hadn't traded ryan grant to the packers. tom coughlin decided that he couldn't contribute enough on special teams to warrant a spot on the roster. idiot. that decision is the reason why we can't use ward's injury as an excuse for the giants' offensive problems.

    yeah... run right. somebody tell kevin gilbride that there are two sides to a football field. this is not rocket science. he's the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL. he failed as a QB coach so they promoted him to offensive coordinator. brilliant. it's kinda like that episode of seinfeld where elaine couldn't fire the sketchy mail room guy so she just kept promoting him until he wasn't her problem anymore.

    gilbride's play calling is motivated by a fear of losing rather than a desire to win, and the end result is that he's way too conservative and doesn't give the offense a chance to score points. i bet eli would be a better (and more confident) QB if gilbride actually let him take chances every so often.
  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    vitodacat wrote:
    O-Line has been pretty good for the most part. Diehl has done an admirable at LT, but I dont think he is a long term answer there

    i think they expect guy whimper to take over at LT eventually. this would allow diehl to move back to his natural position at LG. he's much better there.
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,639
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    the defense gets to the ball because eli lacks pocket presence, field awareness, and the confidence to get the ball downfield.

    the only player in NFL history with less field awareness than eli manning is sinorice moss. maybe mathias kiwanuka, too. accorsi could have avoided both of those messes by drafting santonio holmes instead of trading down twice. :rolleyes:

    he can throw the ball downfield. They're hardly ever open. It's hard to have field awareness when there's defenders in your face. I'm not saying he's without fault. And there are things he could do better. But the play calling could be better.
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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    igotid88 wrote:
    he can throw the ball downfield. They're hardly ever open. It's hard to have field awareness when there's defenders in your face. I'm not saying he's without fault. And there are things he could do better. But the play calling could be better.

    no it's not. you step up, make the throw, and take the hit. it wouldn't be an issue if he wasn't afraid of contact.

    all of the giants' receivers have the ability to get open, even moss. but eli doesn't trust anyone except burress. play calling is a large part of the problem, but eli needs to do his part, too.
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    no it's not. you step up, make the throw, and take the hit. it wouldn't be an issue if he wasn't afraid of contact.

    all of the giants' receivers have the ability to get open, even moss. but eli doesn't trust anyone except burress. play calling is a large part of the problem, but eli needs to do his part, too.
    you are spot on bro. he is always falling backwards on his right foot lofting a ball in the air. he cannot find the hot receiver and is always making a stupid throw when the blitz comes. i would send 6-7 at him on every play, all day. the reason he hits the deep throw to burress so often is that he just heaves it up there and hopes for the best.

    this kid has to start throwing darts. zip that fucker in there. he definately has the arm, and I think everyone will agree. he throws a ball like his bro...not the best spiral, but ususally accurate WHEN HE MAKES THE RIGHT DECISION. his problem is that he doesnt make the right decision. brady, big ben, romo, etc all hang in there and make the throw. the big dogs. he doesnt and it shows. maybe its the fact he is a pro and has the body of a 10 year old. maybe a year in the gym would do him so good.

    Gilbride has got to wake the fuck up. when I saw the post game interview with coughlin and he said that throwing 52 times on sunday was the best chance to win, i wanted him fired as he left the podium. if Gilbride came up with that plan, fire his ass too. have the giants ever hit an up and out this year? a quick slant (one maybe, the td to buress a few weeks back) it was so fucking windy on sunday it wasnt believeable and he throws it 52 times?????? i still cannot get over that. even down 23-3 with a quarter and a half left, they should have still run, and run right. they were getting 10 yards a pop running right.

    this defense knows they are playing in NY and they know the tradition. they appear to play with pride and play hard. this offense has no idea what it means to be a giant. no pride, no nothing. flat. this coaching staff even took the fire out of Shockey the past few years.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,639
    ok so they are in the playoffs so how far does anybody think they will go into the playoffs, they have to win at least one playoff game for coughlin to keep his job ...
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  • g under p
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    Eli has to come up huge, he needs a big game.

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  • Champagne Breakfast
    Champagne Breakfast Posts: 1,526
    Eli was a mess again. 3 turnovers. However its overshadowed again by the sick D, and the great day running the ball.

    Anyone else think Bradshaw is sick! He's fast as hell and may need to the be # 1 over time with Jacobs being the short yard guy.
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  • bubbamackdaddy69
    bubbamackdaddy69 Posts: 576
    g under p wrote:
    Eli has to come up huge, he needs a big game.

    Peace

    Really huge.....wow...I've been off this site for a long time....My first post on this thread and I'm like the biggest Giants fan in Canada...
    Anyways...yeah..Elie has to step it up...like the other poster said..sorry I forget who but he only has confidence in Burress and he's basically still kinda injured...love the guy though...that tall motha f***....
    Jacobs had a good game though for sure....Elie has to focus more and be less of a pussy...and take the hit if it comes down to it..
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  • bubbamackdaddy69
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    Champagne Breakfast wrote:
    Eli was a mess again. 3 turnovers. However its overshadowed again by the sick D, and the great day running the ball.

    Anyone else think Bradshaw is sick! He's fast as hell and may need to the be # 1 over time with Jacobs being the short yard guy.

    Of what I've seen...yeah for sure
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    josevolution wrote:
    ok so they are in the playoffs so how far does anybody think they will go into the playoffs, they have to win at least one playoff game for coughlin to keep his job ...

    I think his job will be safe, unless they get humiliated in Tampa. Even then, I'm not so sure. did any other team go to the playoffs the last 3 years? (Incl 2007) I know they were talking about that during the game, but I was in and out. The Colts are the only team I can think of
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    Eli had two TD's dropped again. Sure, he couldnt take the snap and fumbled a few times, but his receivers have to catch the fucking ball. 2 TD's dropped last week (Burress and Toomer) and 2 TD's dropped this week (Toomer and Smith). That said, he still looks confused out there. Decision making is not his strength.

    Bradshaw is going to be good. Reminds me of Dave Meggett the way he jukes and slashes. He is also fast and when through the second level he can run away. Jacobs is still the man. He is a wrecking ball.

    I think they can win at least one game if they can run the ball. Run, run, run through Tampa, and then its a crapshoot. They almost beat Dallas twice, and they had Green Bay until the 4th qtr when all hell broke loose. The defense should be able to stop Tampas offense, but you cant win if you cant score.

    Coughlin has to go. Playoffs three times, sure, but like I said before, they are going to the playoffs in spite of him, not because of him. The defense saved the day this year, and Tiki saved the day the past two years. Other than the first two drives when the bills were ampled from being visited from Everrett, the defense shut them down.
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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    steve smith's dropped TD pass was painful to watch. that's a completion last year at USC. it's the same damn ball...

    but still, five fumbles and two interceptions from eli... that's awful. five fucking fumbles?!? really? there wasn't even any pressure on him the entire game.

    and it still pisses me off that kevin gilbride chooses not to take goal line play calling seriously. four chances from one yard out, four plays that anyone at home could have seen coming. why??? all he had to do was roll eli out on a play action and he would have walked into the end zone. that fourth down play didn't fail because of a missed block. it failed because the defense read the play from the line and were able to jump it before the o-linemen could get to their spots.

    and as long as i'm ranting, here's the one thing about the coughlin-era giants that angers me more than anything else: why don't they understand what a poison call is?!? this is a simple concept that everyone who has ever played pee wee football understands. when a punt is bouncing around, the receiving team runs away from it, not towards it!!!

    "POISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    but fortunately they're in the playoffs now, and it looks like they've found a pretty sick RB in ahmad bradshaw. i think they were afraid of giving him carries earlier in the season because he was having trouble holding on to the ball (not that jacobs is any better). hopefully that's behind him now. jacobs and bradshaw look like a potentially nasty "thunder and lightning" combo. plus it'll save a lot of wear and tear on jacobs. he probably won't last three more years if used as an every-down back.

    good job by the defense, aside from those first two drives. kawika mitchell played the game of him life, and it was nice to see corey webster (finally) contribute.

    GO GIANTS!!!

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