To the people who believe 911 was an inside job...

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    The path of least resistance....

    People need to understand that if anything

    The path of least resistance is not straight through the building itself.

    So many people are aloof to this for some reason.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    slightofjeff wrote:
    So let me see if I've got the talking points down:

    1) The Bush Administration is, perhaps, the most inept administration in the history of the United States

    and 2) That didn't stop them from pulling off the single greatest conspiracy in the history of conspiracies and getting away with it.

    Oh-kay ...
    what the hell are you even talking about?

    when someone calls the Bush Administration inept, they aren't saying that the Bush Admin is incapable of doing anything. They're saying the Bush Admin is incapable of rightfully taking care of this country in the right way.

    The Bush Admin has been capable of getting away with SO much shit that you don't even know about... in fact, it almost looks like you don't even care to know about this kind of shit... you're one of those people who says "let's not dwell on the past, but look to the future..." :rolleyes:
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    nobody wrote:
    please, go ahead: come up with theories.
    but please don't fill them up with 50% garbage claims and say people can pick whatever they think is true...
    why do you want me to post my theories on here? so that you can quickly respond by saying "nope, not true."

    The fact of the matter is that, no matter WHAT, you cannot logically say "I don't think 9/11 is an inside job," because, in the end, you have no proof to support that. Just like how people who think there is more to 9/11 than you see in the news, you also HAVE to think that, because there are just soooo many unanswered questions. it just makes no sense to quickly debunk anything.

    If you're so fucking interested, why don't you do your own research and come up with YOUR OWN theories? because it looks to me that all you wanted to do here was prove a simple point from the beginning, and I really don't think you came in with an open mind. It looks like you were just expecting people's arguments and had responses made up before you even posted this thread.

    I don't have to answer your question with my own theory because it's just a theory. But you can't actually say that you don't think there's much more to 9/11. And you can't actually say that it's impossible for the Bush Admin to carry this out. What's 4000 people dead? The Bush Administration is responsible for MILLIONS of other deaths worldwide, and you think 4000 deaths on US soil is so hard to believe? The Bush Administration has no problem SPYING on US citizens, throwing them in jail unjustly, and torturing MANY people.... you think killing a few thousand with some airplanes is really a big deal to them?
    and you should read the last page...I made some pretty profound points;)
    not really. You keep saying things like they're facts, when really it's just opinion. You can't actually PROVE that it's impossible for a couple thousand people to be incredibly powerful in this world.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    What I don't get, is if the US DID plan, and pull off 9/11..

    Then why couldn't they plant a WMD? If they had that, they could do whatever the hell they wanted the rest of their years.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    what the hell are you even talking about?

    when someone calls the Bush Administration inept, they aren't saying that the Bush Admin is incapable of doing anything. They're saying the Bush Admin is incapable of rightfully taking care of this country in the right way.

    The Bush Admin has been capable of getting away with SO much shit that you don't even know about... in fact, it almost looks like you don't even care to know about this kind of shit... you're one of those people who says "let's not dwell on the past, but look to the future..." :rolleyes:

    I'm just saying Bush is obviously an idiot, right? So how could he possibly pull off the biggest scam in the history of scams?

    The left's two greatest caricatures of the his administration don't jibe. He's a bumbling genius, apparently.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What I don't get, is if the US DID plan, and pull off 9/11..

    Then why couldn't they plant a WMD? If they had that, they could do whatever the hell they wanted the rest of their years.

    This is another excellent point.

    They had no problem killing thousands of their own citizens. No moral qualms there. But when it came to framing Saddam, all of a sudden they couldn't or wouldn't pull it off?

    Sorry, not buying it.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    The fact of the matter is that, no matter WHAT, you cannot logically say "I don't think 9/11 is an inside job," because, in the end, you have no proof to support that.

    That's because you can't prove a negative.

    I can't prove you didn't have sex with a cat today. Does that automatically make you a catfucker?
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I'm just saying Bush is obviously an idiot, right? So how could he possibly pull off the biggest scam in the history of scams?

    The left's two greatest caricatures of the his administration don't jibe. He's a bumbling genius, apparently.
    Because Bush didn't plan 9/11... there is more to this administration than you think. Bush is just a puppet. I thought that even you would know that.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    slightofjeff wrote:
    That's because you can't prove a negative.

    I can't prove you didn't have sex with a cat today. Does that automatically make you a catfucker?
    Nice analogy.

    The point is that you can't prove it was terrorists either when the facts don't match up.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    keeponrockin wrote:
    What I don't get, is if the US DID plan, and pull off 9/11..

    Then why couldn't they plant a WMD? If they had that, they could do whatever the hell they wanted the rest of their years.
    Actually, that's a very good point.

    Maybe someone else here would have an answer for that.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    Because Bush didn't plan 9/11... there is more to this administration than you think. Bush is just a puppet. I thought that even you would know that.

    So who did? It was Cheney, right? Had to be Cheney? He just likes to blow shit up. I bet he giggled like a schoolgirl.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    Actually, that's a very good point.

    Maybe someone else here would have an answer for that.

    Yeah, I'm sure someone here could invent another theory out of thin air. They're good at that here. It's kind of the forte of this board.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Yeah, I'm sure someone here could invent another theory out of thin air. They're good at that here. It's kind of the forte of this board.
    It's responses like this that makes this board so fucking annoying now. I actually acknowledged a good point and all you did was respond with some insulting comment.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    Nice analogy.

    The point is that you can't prove it was terrorists either when the facts don't match up.

    Except for, you know, the terrorists on the plane. And all the shit Al Qaeda blew up before 9.11. And their fucking confession.

    There's a logical principle called Ockham's razor that has been used by logicians for centuries. It states: The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.

    If I've got Al Queda claiming to have blown up the building they already tried to blow up before, that they've been threatening to blow up for a decade ... that seems to be the simplest answer.

    Anything else, and I'm going to have to see some actual proof, and not paranoid, wild-eyed conjecture on the Internet.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Still waiting to see Bin Laden wanted for 9/11 on fbi.gov....

    been a long time now....
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    _outlaw wrote:
    It's responses like this that makes this board so fucking annoying now. I actually acknowledged a good point and all you did was respond with some insulting comment.

    Who am I insulting? There are plenty of people who really will invent you something out of mid-air. This point has been brought up often on threads such as these. And guess what? Someone ALWAYS invents something out of air to try and answer the question.

    "Oh, it was too hard. There were satellites all over the place."

    and, of course, my favorite: "It would require too many people you'd have to keep quiet." -- as if an inside job on 9.11 could be pulled off by like two dudes.
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  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    nobody wrote:
    oh, there you are:)

    anything "sober" to add?;)

    m.

    By the way, just to avoid misinterpretation and accusation of arrogance... I know you're using the term "sober" in its original Latin origin - that is, serious, moderate, etc.

    As fellow non-native English speaker that is apparent to me (along with the irony), but it might not be so to English-speaker where the most common meaning of sober is not intoxicated by alcohol.

    Just thought to clarify it! :)
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    _outlaw wrote:
    not really. You keep saying things like they're facts, when really it's just opinion. You can't actually PROVE that it's impossible for a couple thousand people to be incredibly powerful in this world.

    giving (valid) examples from history where people fail miserable in even controlling their own country(while they have much more means for it than the US admin or their masters to do so) is much more evidence than any of you guys put here to support your opinions ot theories. and I'm talking about controlling in the sense that you mean it, not in the sense of governing. everyone who believes 1000 people can controll earth in its entiretly, nobody noticing except a few Cosp. Theorists who can say this without anything happening to them and making a shitload of cash with giving lectures and selling books...is up to believe everything...

    just like those guys who follow Erich von Daeniken who claims major sites like the pyramides were built by aliens...the guy makes a living of this crap...but hey...I can't disprove it...must be true...maybe it was god...or Darth Vader...or maybe me? CAN YOU DISPROVE IT?
    don't you see how hard it is to even control this stupid little forum???;)

    as I said: you can claim EVERYTHING...the burden of proof is on your side then...and claiming something that can't be disproved, is not being right: it's making up stories, like religions or...well conspiracy theories...
    I really suggest for people (and I know I sound like a dick) instead of reading demolition textbooks and looking at clouds of dust, get yourself some serious history, economy, or social science literature...and well...sit down for a while...

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  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The path of least resistance....

    People need to understand that if anything

    The path of least resistance is not straight through the building itself.

    So many people are aloof to this for some reason.

    Actually, people who believe only the great USA is capable of pulling something like this off are following the path of least resistance...

    at the core of this seems to be the believe that (whether you're an american or not) america can only be harmed if
    a) it let's it happen or
    b) they do it themselves...

    and at the core of this seems to be the believe that america actually is in control of the world...I know it's a superpower...but that doesn't mean it (or its proverbial puppet masters) can control each and everything in the world...america doesn't run the show...it's only a main contributor...
    so get off your ego-trips (or paranoia, if you're not american) and accept that fact that contrary to us propaganda...there are also some other pretty influencial humans...

    Americans, get a grip, and step back to look at the world for a while...what role America plays in it, how some people might really hate it so much to do such unbelievable things as 911...how others are standing loyal and what their reasons are...Americans should finally realize that they live on planet earth not on planet america, and that they are intertwined with other countries in manyfold ways...and that yes...the actions of other people than americans can have consequences for america...even people in a cave with boxcutters...

    you can blame the federal reserve for the weak dollar no problem...of course an american institution...
    but maybe, only maybe loaning billions of dollars from China has a little something to do with it...and thus inflating the money supply in the country way above the supply of goods -> INFLATION, you know..

    blaming THE MAN, or THE ONE HUNDRED isn't doing anything helpful in solving REAL problems...they divert...and the most positive contribution they can make I guess, is zero...

    m.
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  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    one last thing...
    opinions...actually can be called garbage...if they are uninformed...and without any veryfiable chain of reasoning...
    I can have the opinion I'm not ill and tell the doctor many times...yet, he would be right to call my opinion garbage when in fact I have terminal cancer...

    m.
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