Comparative Religion: Godmen

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well, yeah, maybe. these arguments are not knew though. but still how would you respond if someone asks you what was before the big bang? do you even call it the "big bang"? what's the right term for it, the thing that started it all, what was before that?

    In fine print that link reads:
    *We are not aware of any other possible explanations for the existence of the universe. But there may be others we haven't thought of. We do not claim to prove God exists as there may be other options, but to simply show using science and logic that God is the best known explanation for the universe.

    In-fact it's not an explanation at all, this has been thoroughly addressed. If we say that something must come before something, then there becomes an infinite regression. This actually works in most of our lives, as the universe appears to be causal. But for the big question "Where did it all come from?" this infinite regression does not work. It leads many to an existing percept in their mind "God" which is strongly associated with "Creation". However, this is the only basis for this assertion. It's just as likely that the universe created it's self or is it's self eternal. If we must end the regression at some point it's just as logical to end it at the universe, the extent of our knowledge.

    As for Acharya, she does believe in a cosmic architect of some sort. She has a section called "The Gospel According to Acharya" where she seems to mimic Taoism. I do not personally agree with her on that belief. However, her knowledge of mythology is excellent and it's the mythology she takes issue with, not the concept of an architect.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Kann wrote:
    The dangers of using an un-neutral source is the risk of spinning facts. The site is at least wrong for Horus/Osiris and some points of the Buddha part. I can't tell for the others, but I'm betting on convenient changes.
    I agree with the point though, most religions/beliefs have a common ground, and it's really strange for such distant religions (in space I mean) such as buddhism and christianism.

    That's a good perspective on it Kann. Certainly her writing style suggests some fact-bending and a former Baptist I know has criticized some of the claims as well. It's entirely possible that some of the assertions in the book are false, just as would be the case in any literature. I have subjected myself to a lot of criticism of the book, for example one person claimed that Mithras was actually born as an adult from a rock. I could not find a single source accredited or not that supported that, and all sources suggest he was born of a virgin. Mythology, History, Comparative Religion and Astrotheology are soft sciences of course. It's impossible to know exactly what went on, but we can see enough compelling evidence that in principle it's truth.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    wait for it...it's at the end.. :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiqk4NFRr3Y

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    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    I've been dying to find a place to post this, some comparative religion for ya all.........

    Song is called the festicalof Light, by an Aussie called Kevin Bloody Wilson



    Ah, the Festival of life keeps tryin' to save my fuckin' soul

    They don't want me drinkin' piss or screwin' round no more

    But they've got fuckin' Buckley's chance I'm giving you the score

    Still the Festival of Life keeps tryin' to save my fuckin' soul



    'I'm Elder Robbins 'n' he's Elder Pike 'n' we'd like to talk to y'all

    'Bout eternal salvation, won't take but a minute or more

    We got a book we think y'aII should read, 'bout how y'all should live

    My, what a charmin' home y'all have - y'all mind it we come in?'



    'Well, I'd love t'invite yer in yer know, but the joint's a fuckin' mess

    And there's an orgy ragin' in the lounge, and every cunt's undressed!

    And I'd love yer to meet the missus, Shirl, but she's a bit crook in bed

    She says she's got a real sore throat through givin' too much head!'



    Gobblegobble, gobblegobble, gobblegobble



    Repeat Chorus



    All snuggled up on Sunday mornin' and you wake up with a horn

    You grab the missus on the arse, oh, Christ she feels so warm

    The scene is set, the mood's just right, you're about to slip it in

    Then - (knock knock, knock) - there's that fuckin' door again!



    'Good morning, sir, did I get you up?

    Sorry, I'm David and this is Pam

    We're missionaries who've come to talk of Man's eternal plan

    And to discuss the holy future and reflect the holy past.'

    So you flash your dick and scream 'I'll holy shove this up your arse!'



    Up your arsehole, up your arsehole, up your arsehole



    Repeat Chorus



    Well it's not like it's just once or twice, it's every damn weekend

    Now how d'ya think they'd like it if we done the same to them?

    You know, turn up on their doorstep at a time they least expect

    Try and ram our way of life down their fuckin' necks!



    Just imagine for a minute the reception that you'd get

    With a couple of stick books in your hand and a carton on the steps

    And your missus chewin' chewin' gum in a really low-cut dress

    And you in thongs and overalls-you know, your fuckin' Sunday best!



    What a yobbo, what a yobbo, what a yobbo



    Repeat Chorus



    Gidday, we're pissed-up testecostacals, I'm Kevin and this is Shirl

    We've come to introduce you cunts to a whole new fuckin' world

    We've come to preach the good news, we think it's what you need to hear

    We'll show you more fun in five minutes than you've had all fuckin' year!



    Now You, sweetheart, you come with me and I'll teach you how to sin

    And Sister Shirl, old sort, 'll suck your sav until your 'ead caves in~

    Aw shit, your missus just fainted, so we won't bother comin' in

    We'll just piss off back to our place-just drop ten bucks in the tin



    'Nother carton, 'nother carton, 'nother carton



    Repeat Chorus Twice
    Music is not a competetion.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Churches are hospitals for sinners...not hotels for saints.

    My experience from attending church for approx the first 20 yrs of my life is that it's the most fucked up collection of people with serious issues I've ever met in one place.... by far. Friendly though...just out of touch..some waay out..

    After seeing that vid on the atheist girl in school...I'd have to say 90% of religious people are not only hypocrites but soft headed delusional quacks...

    hehe...what a gem of a post... but hey...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    lucylespian wrote:
    I've been dying to find a place to post this, some comparative religion for ya all.........

    Song is called the festical of Light, by an Aussie called Kevin Bloody Wilson

    Nice work lucy! Love Kev!! :)

    And highly appropriate!! :D
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Jezeus Krishna! That was a lot of typing ;)

    alot of plagiarism is more like it. Plagiarism from bullshit sources.
    Have you EVER had an original thought? Since you like to cut and paste i've pasted some links for you or anyone who can't see through your schtick to check out. Bottom line: you're full of shit. All piss and vinegar with no actual substance or even originality.

    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/dionysus.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/attis.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/krishna01.html
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    cornnifer wrote:
    alot of plagiarism is more like it. Plagiarism from bullshit sources.
    Have you EVER had an original thought? Since you like to cut and paste i've pasted some links for you or anyone who can't see through your schtick to check out. Bottom line: you're full of shit. All piss and vinegar with no actual substance or even originality.

    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/dionysus.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/attis.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/krishna01.html

    He cites his source at the end of his post. And while I agree that some of the "facts" are just plain wrong (and even nonsensical, who knows what a virgin represented for asians 2500 years ago?) using un-neutral sources is bound to lead to biaised facts.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Kann wrote:
    He cites his source at the end of his post. And while I agree that some of the "facts" are just plain wrong (and even nonsensical, who knows what a virgin represented for asians 2500 years ago?) using un-neutral sources is bound to lead to biaised facts.

    i realize he cited the source (perhaps plagiarism isn't the BEST word t o use). He didn't do himself any favors by citing the source though. What is already laughable becomes pretty hilarous when one considers the source.
    Mithra, the legend contends, was born as a grown man, and emerged from solid rock! All of a sudden the rock becomes a virgin mother in a fallacious and ridiculous attempt for some who are very heavy on bias and very light on actual scholarly documentation to yell "copycat".
    Whatever.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Collin wrote:
    I'd say I don't know. But how exactly is that an argument pro god?

    They say if it's not B, C or D it must be A. Great, but whatever happened to E, F, G, H ...
    yeah, i know exactly what you're saying. that's what i first thought when i read it but i think ahnimus included the part that said, "we are not aware of any other explanations." so i guess they just used the options that they had. and that's what brought them to their own conclusion. and they also mention that they're not "proving" per se the existence of God. they were just saying that it could be the only plausible explanation. it's the only thing that would make "sense," in other words.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    In fine print that link reads:
    *We are not aware of any other possible explanations for the existence of the universe. But there may be others we haven't thought of. We do not claim to prove God exists as there may be other options, but to simply show using science and logic that God is the best known explanation for the universe.

    In-fact it's not an explanation at all, this has been thoroughly addressed. If we say that something must come before something, then there becomes an infinite regression. This actually works in most of our lives, as the universe appears to be causal. But for the big question "Where did it all come from?" this infinite regression does not work. It leads many to an existing percept in their mind "God" which is strongly associated with "Creation". However, this is the only basis for this assertion. It's just as likely that the universe created it's self or is it's self eternal. If we must end the regression at some point it's just as logical to end it at the universe, the extent of our knowledge.

    As for Acharya, she does believe in a cosmic architect of some sort. She has a section called "The Gospel According to Acharya" where she seems to mimic Taoism. I do not personally agree with her on that belief. However, her knowledge of mythology is excellent and it's the mythology she takes issue with, not the concept of an architect.
    well, if you're going to say that the universe is eternal, or it created itself, it's almost like saying the universe is itself God. there's like a connection. the same that is said about God can be said about the universe. who created God? who created the universe? can God create himself? can the universe create itself? is God eternal? is the universe eternal? it's the same on both ends. if this is so, any explanation that you'd have on the universe and it's existence can be used to explain God. i personally don't think that you can explain God. so in the same way, I just can't see how you can explain the universe. just like you said, it's not an explanation at all.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    cornnifer wrote:
    alot of plagiarism is more like it. Plagiarism from bullshit sources.
    Have you EVER had an original thought? Since you like to cut and paste i've pasted some links for you or anyone who can't see through your schtick to check out. Bottom line: you're full of shit. All piss and vinegar with no actual substance or even originality.

    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/dionysus.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/attis.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/krishna01.html

    Dude, you are some kind of a joke. You use "Christian Apologetics" to prove Mithras was born from a rock? Yes, Mithra is depicted atop a primordial mound in some artwork. However, Jesus is depicted with mushrooms in Byzantine art. Are we going to conclude that Jesus came from mushrooms, or was a mushroom addict? I mean come on dude.

    As I stated before the source may not be entirely correct and it's good that we have people here that can discuss it. However, it seems you can't discuss it without getting into a "pissing match" grow the fuck up.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Jeanie wrote:
    Nice work lucy! Love Kev!! :)

    And highly appropriate!! :D

    Yeah, no-one else seems to have seen it though, I might give it a thread by itself yet.
    Music is not a competetion.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    lucylespian wrote:
    Yeah, no-one else seems to have seen it though, I might give it a thread by itself yet.

    I'm finding some of our Australian culturalisms somewhat lost here.

    Maybe folks just didn't get it? :rolleyes:
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    cornnifer wrote:
    alot of plagiarism is more like it. Plagiarism from bullshit sources.
    Have you EVER had an original thought? Since you like to cut and paste i've pasted some links for you or anyone who can't see through your schtick to check out. Bottom line: you're full of shit. All piss and vinegar with no actual substance or even originality.

    Would you say the same to a christian who is desperately trying to convince people his beliefs are right, or one that wants to try and explain his beliefs by quoting and citing scripture?
    THANK YOU, LOSTDAWG!


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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Dude, you are some kind of a joke. You use "Christian Apologetics" to prove Mithras was born from a rock? Yes, Mithra is depicted atop a primordial mound in some artwork. However, Jesus is depicted with mushrooms in Byzantine art. Are we going to conclude that Jesus came from mushrooms, or was a mushroom addict? I mean come on dude.

    As I stated before the source may not be entirely correct and it's good that we have people here that can discuss it. However, it seems you can't discuss it without getting into a "pissing match" grow the fuck up.

    I'M a joke!? Yeah, you're absolutely right, YOUR source is entirely unbiased and completely backed up with scholary research and fully credentialed :rolleyes:
    Pissing match? In a discussion, be prepared for someone to tell point out to you when you're full of shit.
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Collin wrote:
    Would you say the same to a christian who is desperately trying to convince people his beliefs are right, or one that wants to try and explain his beliefs by quoting and citing scripture?

    How many times do i have to say to you that i am not "desperately trying to convince anyone that my beliefs are correct? Furthermore, how many times on this board do i cite scripture? Look, i didn't start this fucking thread. Nor do i start ANY of these threads. What i DO do, is challenge people when they spout off with completely unfounded, unscholarly, unoriginal, unprofound, and unprovoked attacks like this. Its nonsense. Face it. Afterall it IS a discussion forum. When all you have is one person cutting and pasting bullshit, and a bunch of others going on about "right on, Dude, Hell, yeah. Wooo Hooo", what you have is not a discussion, but a sopomoric, and to be frank, moronic, circle jerk. i have absolutely no problem with people who don't share my faith or theistic worldview and state simply that. If you want to argue, or be a complete dickhead about it, expect a challenge, and please, please, please, offer original thoughts rather than a collection of biased, propagandist, unscholarly weblinks, wiki articles and youtube videos.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    cornnifer wrote:
    How many times do i have to say to you that i am not "desperately trying to convince anyone that my beliefs are correct? Furthermore, how many times on this board do i cite scripture? Look, i didn't start this fucking thread.

    If wasn''t referring to you. I know you're not desperately trying to convince anyone and that you rarely cite scripture...
    Nor do i start ANY of these threads. What i DO do, is challenge people when they spout off with completely unfounded, unscholarly, unoriginal, unprofound, and unprovoked attacks like this. If you want to argue, or be a complete dickhead about it, expect a challenge, and please, please, please, offer original thoughts rather than a collection of biased, propagandist, unscholarly weblinks, wiki articles and youtube videos.



    Point is scipture is all those things too. Is someone who cites scripture quilty of plagiarism? If someone preaches what Jesus said, do you ask them if they ever have an "original" thought?

    So when exactly is it ok to quote a source and when is it plagiarism? When is quoting someone valid and when is it proof that someone doesn't have any original thoughts?

    Ahnimus has quoted and cited plenty of respected scholars, scientists and sources... perhaps not in this thread though but he admitted that his source may not have been entirely correct.

    Didn't mean to start a fight.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Collin wrote:
    Didn't mean to start a fight.

    Neither did I, but it seems to be all this board is capable of.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Neither did I, but it seems to be all this board is capable of.

    What you get is a lot of is...shoot the messenger...not the information.

    small minded weaklings... :P
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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