I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Didn't have time to read all of that, but sounds like it means, stay grounded, don't let your life get too complicated, make some space in every day for peace and enjoyment and be nice !!
And believe in a human spirit/soul and God. Perform rituals, etc.. etc...
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Didn't have time to read all of that, but sounds like it means, stay grounded, don't let your life get too complicated, make some space in every day for peace and enjoyment and be nice !!
Basically! The problem with many people is that with all our baggage, it seems a whole lot more complicated. They have no idea to stop the cycles and patterns that pull them out of their inner peace and groundedness. All truths are very simple at base. Something like this is a vehicle to the inner groundedness.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
And believe in a human spirit/soul and God. Perform rituals, etc.. etc...
Do you believe in a basic "first" awareness that lies beneath your thoughts? Or do you believe you are your thoughts?
Both linguistics, and for example very highly respected and widely influential Lacan psychology deals with this. And fins has some kind of stunning education, whereupon he understands what "signifiers" or the "signifieds" (in other words 'signs' representing things) are. This is very practical stuff that underlies how humans think.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Basically! The problem with many people is that with all our baggage, it seems a whole lot more complicated. They have no idea to stop the cycles and patterns that pull them out of their inner peace and groundedness. All truths are very simple at base. Something like this is a vehicle to the inner groundedness.
Dr. Peter Lawrence Gill is the Savior of Mankind.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you believe in a basic "first" awareness that lies beneath your thoughts? Or do you believe you are your thoughts?
Both linguistics, and for example very highly respected and widely influential Lacan psychology deals with this. And fins has some kind of stunning education, whereupon he understands what "signifiers" or the "signifieds" (in other words 'signs' representing things) are. This is very practical stuff that underlies how humans think.
Huh?
Sounds like he's taken NLP and tried to make it sound more fruity than it really is.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Angelica... I believe the body and brain originate from DNA and all that, eventually the brain develops to a capacity to start learning, this is approx third trimester and at this point there is very little awareness and no differing personality, from that point all, everything a person is subjectively is a product of experience. There is no evidence anywhere along the way that there is any kind of a soul, spirit, or God. Just evidence that we are robots.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Basically! The problem with many people is that with all our baggage, it seems a whole lot more complicated. They have no idea to stop the cycles and patterns that pull them out of their inner peace and groundedness. All truths are very simple at base. Something like this is a vehicle to the inner groundedness.
I'm inclined to very much agree with that. I guess I have always instinctively known the importance returning to the inner peace and not letting the pressures of teh world take over. I have always used the ocean, surfing, windsurfing, playing misic, riding motorbikes, or just sitting watching a fire, drinknig tea or pettin one of teh many parasitic naimals that infest my life. Something as complex as an organised ritual or organization to achieve that seems so unnecessary to me, but I can see that many people do need it.
I'm interest e dto chat further about the "signifier" you mentioned no time now, maybe a PM ??
Sounds like he's taken NLP and tried to make it sound more fruity than it really is.
Lacan is much more reputable that NLP. Linguistics and the basics of language is also very reputable.
According to Lacan, with words and signs, we've been taught illusions from infancy. For example, when a baby looks in a mirror, we tell the baby "yes, that's you!". And really, it's not the baby. It's a reflection and 2-d representation. By this sort of false representation, we've gotten completely out of touch with our real being. People take words and teachings to be "real". We're all essentially disassociated from reality. It's so "normal" that we all think it's real. And it's not. You might call it the illusions of determinism. I would too. I'm just representing the loophole that allows us to detach from the illusions and live as we ARE.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm inclined to very much agree with that. I guess I have always instinctively known the importance returning to the inner peace and not letting the pressures of teh world take over. I have always used the ocean, surfing, windsurfing, playing misic, riding motorbikes, or just sitting watching a fire, drinknig tea or pettin one of teh many parasitic naimals that infest my life. Something as complex as an organised ritual or organization to achieve that seems so unnecessary to me, but I can see that many people do need it.
I'm interest e dto chat further about the "signifier" you mentioned no time now, maybe a PM ??
I'm just learning to logically comprehend the deeper values of the signifier stuff. I'm game for any pm talk, anytime, though! I love to learn out loud. I'm a sounding board learner, so as I conceptualize in language (using signifiers! ) I learn stuff myself.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Lacan is much more reputable that NLP. Linguistics and the basics of language is also very reputable.
According to Lacan, with words and signs, we've been taught illusions from infancy. For example, when a baby looks in a mirror, we tell the baby "yes, that's you!". And really, it's not the baby. It's a reflection and 2-d representation. By this sort of false representation, we've gotten completely out of touch with our real being. People take words and teachings to be "real". We're all essentially disassociated from reality. It's so "normal" that we all think it's real. And it's not. You might call it the illusions of determinism. I would too. I'm just representing the loophole that allows us to detach from the illusions and live as we ARE.
Haha, but you are always alluding to some higher cosmic consciousness, spirits, and enlightenment. It's not anything like causal determinism that is quite mundane and boring, with no souls/spirits, no cosmic consciousness, and although it is enlightening, the term doesn't come up often. It's more a discussion of things factually are in real terms. Also, I don't know anyone that thinks they are their reflection. But I know many many people that believe they have a spirit/soul or higher-purpose as taught to them as a child. So perhaps your are delusional by your own definition?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
BTW Anjelica, you have clearly found your own peace and worked out how to sstay snae in this insane world, don't let anyone else take credit for that !!
My peace comes from realizing that as the drop of water, I am also the ocean.
I am so blessed by all the stunning influences, positive and negative, that have brought me to this point. To imagine I exist in a vaccum, detached of life and my surroundings, would be crazy.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Is he a multi-headed animal god with mad priest followers ??
Was reading Pratchett last night and Truckle the Uncivil was in trouble for going aafter a Fiev Headed Vampire Goat God, cos it was an endangered species.
I really stay away from the candles and sandals brigade. I have a fwiend at Montville who used to bombard me with shit advertising everything from DNA repatterning and activation to re-incarnation therapy. Talk about a load of self-deluding bollocks. Comparing it to religion ( to stay on topic) it smells peculiarly the same, without the war though !!
Eckanakar sounds like a funny word spelt backwards to disguise it's true meaning, like "rake in the lucre" for example.
hehe! Yes, well just a tip, for future reference, if you don't want them to get you at these things, keep moving!! I made the mistake of sitting down to rest for a minute!! Although, I will say to her credit, she watched me for a while, as I busily attempted to avoid eye contact, and I can't say as I felt stared at or anything. And then she just quietly approached me, holding out the bag and asked if I would like it, and then wished me a nice day and went away again. She was either just a really nice person, or a very clever "reader". Anyway, I decided I'd have a little read of the bag's contents and it seems to be all about "How past lives, dreams and soul travel help you find God". Started by some guy called Sri Harold Klemp. Anyway, guess I'm just curious about it because so far it hasn't annoyed me. I've found some things about it to be questionable, but not so much with the beggers belief. Actually, some of it does require you to suspend reality, but I think it's how it's written. Anyway, just wondered about it is all.
Haha, but you are always alluding to some higher cosmic consciousness, spirits, and enlightenment. It's not anything like causal determinism that is quite mundane and boring, with no souls/spirits, no cosmic consciousness, and although it is enlightening, the term doesn't come up often. It's more a discussion of things factually are in real terms. Also, I don't know anyone that thinks they are their reflection. But I know many many people that believe they have a spirit/soul or higher-purpose as taught to them as a child. So perhaps your are delusional by your own definition?
It looks like the reflection stuff is lost on you. It took me a long time to grasp what that's all about. I still don't get half of Lacan's stuff.
While we're talking comparative religions, numerous people have told you this, and it's hard to overlook. Your view of predestination, and all it entails, is a duality good/bad religion of it's own. You have the demons or the bad guys, and you have the "good" (science, including it's deities or your select scientists). And we're all irrelevent sinners in the eyes of the determinism gods.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
It looks like the reflection stuff is lost on you. It took me a long time to grasp what that's all about. I still don't get half of Lacan's stuff.
While we're talking comparative religions, numerous people have told you this, and it's hard to overlook. Your view of predestination, and all it entails, is a duality good/bad religion of it's own. You have the demons or the bad guys, and you have the "good" (science, including it's deities or your select scientists). And we're all irrelevent sinners in the eyes of the determinism gods.
What? Determinism is nowhere near being a religion. There is no faith, no rituals, no icons or idols. It's a very basic, natural, view of reality. Determinism does not rely on presuppositions or mythology. Determinism is everything that verifiably exists.
We are not sinners, you are just being deffensive about it, because you can't grasp it. As others have said, determinism is just too big for some people I guess. Voltaire said it best, some people are destined to reason badly.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Says it's "Ancient Wisdom for Today". That it's about "spiritual exercises to find your own custom made approach to the Kingdom of God"
It's faith based, involves rituals and so on, it's a self-proclaimed religion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What? Determinism is nowhere near being a religion. There is no faith, no rituals, no icons or idols. It's a very basic, natural, view of reality. Determinism does not rely on presuppositions or mythology. Determinism is everything that verifiably exists.
We are not sinners, you are just being deffensive about it, because you can't grasp it. As others have said, determinism is just too big for some people I guess. Voltaire said it best, some people are destined to reason badly.
If you understood the concept of signifiers, you'd realize the presuppositions you rely on with each word you speak, much less with each idea you "believe". And you believe some things with evangelic fervor. With all that presupposing going on, it's very easy to overlook reality.
Each word presupposes the concept you refer to and defines a concept, rather than allowing an experience of a concept to "be" as it Is. Rather than existing and experiencing life, each theory and idea detaches us from life.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
What I found was that the people at the meeting were very peaceful and warm. I read numerous books on Eckankar at the time, as well, and it all sounded on the up and up to me. It's geared to the individual, and void of rules and dogma. I have not had anything to do with them since then, because I tend to try out and borrow things here and there that work, and let go of the "religion". That is about me, and not about any fault I found with Eckankar. One thing that I learned through Eckankar, which is a base tenet, and that I still rely on a LOT to this day is meditating back to the "Source". How I interpret this is that I'm detaching from my thoughts and emotions that are on the surface--which come and go. I meditate in order to focus my awareness on a deeper calm, still, unchanging aspect of my nature. I found this part of an article about a month or so ago that explained this. I meditate to more base levels of awareness wherethe mind is in neutral, or pre-thought. Pre-thought is a state of "Being" and existing in the moment. this stage comes BEFORE cause and effect, so by meditating on this state, one learns to stay detached of all kinds of things that the average person is consumed by:
"Firstness is a general state of mind in which there is awareness of the environment, a prevailing emotion, and a sense of the possibilities. This is the mind in neutral, waiting to formulate thought. Secondness moves from possibility to greater certainty shown by action, reaction, causality, or reality. Here the mind identifies what message is to be communicated. Thirdness is the mode of signs shown in representation, continuity, order, and unity. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_(semiotics)
This is what Fins and myself were talking about the other night, when your brain exploded. When we start formulating thoughts and words, we take them to be real, but really they are not--they only represent something. When we learn to get centered deep within, we can begin to see through the symbols/words people take to be so real. So, it's important in order to be realistic, to get out of the loop of thinking, and out of the loop of our emotions that cause us so many ups and downs. Then we can train ourselves gently to relate to our inner peace beyond the ups and downs and problems we have. This way we learn to be peaceful, and have our thoughts and emotions stem from that peace. This is much more optimal than having our thoughts and emotions running us, without our control. It took me a long time to learn this stuff but it's been sooo worth it. The fact is that what they were teaching me in meditation at Eckankar is something that I've had personally very good results with--to a great degree. It's my peace, my ground and my centeredness. Because I've learned to do this, it is also why I say I can walk beyond "determinism". I believe determinism is very real, but I know there is a loophole to access awareness that allows us to go beyond what is determined or beyond "fate".
I'm sure you will follow your own intuition and find what feels right for you, jeanie.
Thank you angel. That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for from someone. And how interesting that it was you, because I wondered when I was weighing up whether or not to post about it if you would be the one to know what I was talking about.
Much like yourself, I struggle to pick a team, and am more for exploring options peacefully and making up my own mind what will serve as a useful tool for my life or not.
I'm still completely struggling with the whole fins conversation, but that's cool. It'll come to me eventually!
If you understood the concept of signifiers, you'd realize the presuppositions you rely on with each word you speak, much less with each idea you "believe". And you believe some things with evangelic fervor. With all that presupposing going on, it's very easy to overlook reality.
Each word presupposes the concept you refer to and defines a concept, rather than allowing an experience of a concept to "be" as it Is. Rather than existing and experiencing life, each theory and idea detaches us from life.
You must use signifiers to describe signifiers, and that is circular logic Angelica. It's like saying that because our brain only transduces reality and all experience of reality is subjective, that reality does not exist outside the brain, but this all depends on the brain physically existing in reality, so it's a flawed circular logic.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Wait, I think I completely glossed over this. I've not ever had an out of body experience. I haven't put in serious discipline with that either, since it would probably freak me out to do so. Any of my efforts were half-hearted.
I've sorta had it happen but mostly sporadic, times of stress kinda things.
Although once or twice when sleeping.
It is freaky and like you I'm not so sure I would want to discipline myself to try to do it at other times. But I suspect maybe, further down the track, I may to "control" it myself somehow.
You must use signifiers to describe signifiers, and that is circular logic Angelica. It's like saying that because our brain only transduces reality and all experience of reality is subjective, that reality does not exist outside the brain, but this all depends on the brain physically existing in reality, so it's a flawed circular logic.
Exactly my point. All of this logic and the emotions that stem from logic are a bunch of delusional nonsense. What is real, pure, and unadulterated is experience. Not what we think about experience. Not what we feel about experience. But living, freely in each moment. All the rest is ego. Our thoughts and emotions change and fluctuate--they do not stay the same. Our experiences always remain real at base, no matter what we think or feel about them.
I have to speak in terms of the amusement park ride, since people wouldn't hear me otherwise.
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride... It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.” ~Bill Hicks
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Exactly my point. All of this logic and the emotions that stem from logic are a bunch of delusional nonsense. What is real, pure, and unadulterated is experience. Not what we think about experience. Not what we feel about experience. But living, freely in each moment. All the rest is ego. Our thoughts and emotions change and fluctuate--they do not stay the same. Our experiences always remain real at base, no matter what we think or feel about them.
I have to speak in terms of the amusement park ride, since people wouldn't hear me otherwise.
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride... It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.” ~Bill Hicks
You've lost me with the amusement park ride. Let me get you straight. Reason/Logic is bad and delusional? Experience is truth? That is so wrong Angelica, so wrong, it's the absolute wrongiest wrong you could wrong. It's the same bullshit Catholocism and tryannical dictators have fed us for centuries.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I've sorta had it happen but mostly sporadic, times of stress kinda things.
Although once or twice when sleeping.
It is freaky and like you I'm not so sure I would want to discipline myself to try to do it at other times. But I suspect maybe, further down the track, I may to "control" it myself somehow.
My boyfriend has had numerous out of body experiences, too.
That's cool that you have had such experiences. I would imagine it opens one up to question our attachment to what some of us feel we are: our body.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You've lost me with the amusement park ride. Let me get you straight. Reason/Logic is bad and delusional? Experience is truth? That is so wrong Angelica, so wrong, it's the absolute wrongiest wrong you could wrong. It's the same bullshit Catholocism and tryannical dictators have fed us for centuries.
Last year, you were on this board encouraging people to watch "What the Bleep Do We Know". You said people would be hurting themselves to miss it.
Now you believe the exact opposite. You prove that your thoughts change. What if they change and you diametrically oppose yourself next year again?
No matter what, as any one of us is sitting in front of a computer right now, that will never change. Two days from now, you will be totally unable to go back in time to today and change that. That action cannot be erased. If you rub your eye right now, no matter what your thoughts, feelings or emotions, that action is what it is, and will never change. You will segue into new actions in each moment, but your actions are always the truth. Your existence, and how you act out your being is always true. Beliefs, ideas and theories come and go--they are impermanent.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Exactly my point. All of this logic and the emotions that stem from logic are a bunch of delusional nonsense. What is real, pure, and unadulterated is experience. Not what we think about experience. Not what we feel about experience. But living, freely in each moment. All the rest is ego. Our thoughts and emotions change and fluctuate--they do not stay the same. Our experiences always remain real at base, no matter what we think or feel about them.
I have to speak in terms of the amusement park ride, since people wouldn't hear me otherwise.
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride... It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.” ~Bill Hicks
This is exactly what I mean with my new signature.
If you keep jamming one experinece after another into your life wihtout any pause or space between, there is no life and it all becomes just a meaningless jumble. There also needs to be risk in this world. LAwyers and insureance companies adn other fear-monger would have us beileve that we can reduce risk to zero, but we can't but we can suffocate trying.
This is exactly what I mean with my new signature.
If you keep jamming one experinece after another into your life wihtout any pause or space between, there is no life and it all becomes just a meaningless jumble. There also needs to be risk in this world. LAwyers and insureance companies adn other fear-monger would have us beileve that we can reduce risk to zero, but we can't but we can suffocate trying.
I totally agree with you about music being in the spaces. And life, too.
I love the line from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" (Australian movie, too, I believe!) : "A life lived in fear is a life half lived". I love that movie!
I cried when I first heard that line, because I was coming out the other side of a horrific anxiety disorder, and learning to deal with fear, consciously, instead of unconsciously. I spent much of my life with serious to severe anxiety. Life beyond fear is stellar.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Thank you angel. That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for from someone. And how interesting that it was you, because I wondered when I was weighing up whether or not to post about it if you would be the one to know what I was talking about.
Much like yourself, I struggle to pick a team, and am more for exploring options peacefully and making up my own mind what will serve as a useful tool for my life or not.
I'm still completely struggling with the whole fins conversation, but that's cool. It'll come to me eventually!
You are so welcome, jeanie. It's cool because I hadn't thought much about Eckankar at all through the years, except lately, when I've noticed my own routine resonates with what I remember from back then.
I advocate that approach--of doing exactly what works, and gauging by our own inner standard, because only you know for you. And only I know for me. I've learned to very quickly assess what works and what does not, because I completely trust my own inner sense. I let go of what is not for me. And my intuition will draw my attention to exactly what I need to know.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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Lame cultish type stuff.
And believe in a human spirit/soul and God. Perform rituals, etc.. etc...
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
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Both linguistics, and for example very highly respected and widely influential Lacan psychology deals with this. And fins has some kind of stunning education, whereupon he understands what "signifiers" or the "signifieds" (in other words 'signs' representing things) are. This is very practical stuff that underlies how humans think.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Dr. Peter Lawrence Gill is the Savior of Mankind.
Huh?
Sounds like he's taken NLP and tried to make it sound more fruity than it really is.
I'm inclined to very much agree with that. I guess I have always instinctively known the importance returning to the inner peace and not letting the pressures of teh world take over. I have always used the ocean, surfing, windsurfing, playing misic, riding motorbikes, or just sitting watching a fire, drinknig tea or pettin one of teh many parasitic naimals that infest my life. Something as complex as an organised ritual or organization to achieve that seems so unnecessary to me, but I can see that many people do need it.
I'm interest e dto chat further about the "signifier" you mentioned no time now, maybe a PM ??
According to Lacan, with words and signs, we've been taught illusions from infancy. For example, when a baby looks in a mirror, we tell the baby "yes, that's you!". And really, it's not the baby. It's a reflection and 2-d representation. By this sort of false representation, we've gotten completely out of touch with our real being. People take words and teachings to be "real". We're all essentially disassociated from reality. It's so "normal" that we all think it's real. And it's not. You might call it the illusions of determinism. I would too. I'm just representing the loophole that allows us to detach from the illusions and live as we ARE.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Haha, but you are always alluding to some higher cosmic consciousness, spirits, and enlightenment. It's not anything like causal determinism that is quite mundane and boring, with no souls/spirits, no cosmic consciousness, and although it is enlightening, the term doesn't come up often. It's more a discussion of things factually are in real terms. Also, I don't know anyone that thinks they are their reflection. But I know many many people that believe they have a spirit/soul or higher-purpose as taught to them as a child. So perhaps your are delusional by your own definition?
I am so blessed by all the stunning influences, positive and negative, that have brought me to this point. To imagine I exist in a vaccum, detached of life and my surroundings, would be crazy.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
hehe!
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While we're talking comparative religions, numerous people have told you this, and it's hard to overlook. Your view of predestination, and all it entails, is a duality good/bad religion of it's own. You have the demons or the bad guys, and you have the "good" (science, including it's deities or your select scientists). And we're all irrelevent sinners in the eyes of the determinism gods.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I'm not sure it is a religion Ahnimus.
Says it's "Ancient Wisdom for Today". That it's about "spiritual exercises to find your own custom made approach to the Kingdom of God"
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Hold on to the thread
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What? Determinism is nowhere near being a religion. There is no faith, no rituals, no icons or idols. It's a very basic, natural, view of reality. Determinism does not rely on presuppositions or mythology. Determinism is everything that verifiably exists.
We are not sinners, you are just being deffensive about it, because you can't grasp it. As others have said, determinism is just too big for some people I guess. Voltaire said it best, some people are destined to reason badly.
It's faith based, involves rituals and so on, it's a self-proclaimed religion.
Each word presupposes the concept you refer to and defines a concept, rather than allowing an experience of a concept to "be" as it Is. Rather than existing and experiencing life, each theory and idea detaches us from life.
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Thank you angel.
Much like yourself, I struggle to pick a team, and am more for exploring options peacefully and making up my own mind what will serve as a useful tool for my life or not.
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Well if that's how you see it so be it.
I'm not convinced myself that is the case.
But then I'm only just getting started in reading about it.
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You must use signifiers to describe signifiers, and that is circular logic Angelica. It's like saying that because our brain only transduces reality and all experience of reality is subjective, that reality does not exist outside the brain, but this all depends on the brain physically existing in reality, so it's a flawed circular logic.
I've sorta had it happen but mostly sporadic, times of stress kinda things.
Although once or twice when sleeping.
It is freaky and like you I'm not so sure I would want to discipline myself to try to do it at other times. But I suspect maybe, further down the track, I may to "control" it myself somehow.
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I have to speak in terms of the amusement park ride, since people wouldn't hear me otherwise.
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride... It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.” ~Bill Hicks
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You've lost me with the amusement park ride. Let me get you straight. Reason/Logic is bad and delusional? Experience is truth? That is so wrong Angelica, so wrong, it's the absolute wrongiest wrong you could wrong. It's the same bullshit Catholocism and tryannical dictators have fed us for centuries.
That's cool that you have had such experiences. I would imagine it opens one up to question our attachment to what some of us feel we are: our body.
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Now you believe the exact opposite. You prove that your thoughts change. What if they change and you diametrically oppose yourself next year again?
No matter what, as any one of us is sitting in front of a computer right now, that will never change. Two days from now, you will be totally unable to go back in time to today and change that. That action cannot be erased. If you rub your eye right now, no matter what your thoughts, feelings or emotions, that action is what it is, and will never change. You will segue into new actions in each moment, but your actions are always the truth. Your existence, and how you act out your being is always true. Beliefs, ideas and theories come and go--they are impermanent.
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This is exactly what I mean with my new signature.
If you keep jamming one experinece after another into your life wihtout any pause or space between, there is no life and it all becomes just a meaningless jumble. There also needs to be risk in this world. LAwyers and insureance companies adn other fear-monger would have us beileve that we can reduce risk to zero, but we can't but we can suffocate trying.
I love the line from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" (Australian movie, too, I believe!) : "A life lived in fear is a life half lived". I love that movie!
I cried when I first heard that line, because I was coming out the other side of a horrific anxiety disorder, and learning to deal with fear, consciously, instead of unconsciously. I spent much of my life with serious to severe anxiety. Life beyond fear is stellar.
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Awesome!
Yeah, I guess illness does that too angel. Actually so does sexual assault, and negative puberty experiences now that I think of it.
I learned a long time ago that "me" is just living in this out casing and not so happily some times.
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I advocate that approach--of doing exactly what works, and gauging by our own inner standard, because only you know for you. And only I know for me. I've learned to very quickly assess what works and what does not, because I completely trust my own inner sense. I let go of what is not for me. And my intuition will draw my attention to exactly what I need to know.
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