"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride... It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one.” ~Bill Hicks
Thank you angel.
I'll be saving this one for the notice board in my room.
Yeah, I guess illness does that too angel. Actually so does sexual assault, and negative puberty experiences now that I think of it.
I learned a long time ago that "me" is just living in this out casing and not so happily some times.
I definitely asked your boyfriend numerous questions about that, too, because it's fascinating to me.
It's interesting the way you talk about this, because I have been a generally very disassociated person, due to trauma, as well. It's been a big challenge for me to learn to ground myself and to be in myself. So, naturally my energy is very dispersed. If you are a similar personality type to my own, I know my own is prone to having the least boundaries/grounding of all types. If I can stay grounded, it's a huge gift because I can understand all kinds of things about others, empathically. Or even about life and the environment--I perceive it. And again, it's crucial to stay grounded, because if I lose touch with the person doing the perceiving, I'm totally lost and confused.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'll be saving this one for the notice board in my room.
You are welcome. I first heard the quote out here, too, when El Kabong started a thread about it. Thanks El Kabong! Obviously it's made an impression on me. I did edit it here with ellipses for my purposes, but this is it in its entirety:
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride...” But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace." ~ Bill Hicks
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You are so welcome, jeanie. It's cool because I hadn't thought much about Eckankar at all through the years, except lately, when I've noticed my own routine resonates with what I remember from back then.
I advocate that approach--of doing exactly what works, and gauging by our own inner standard, because only you know for you. And only I know for me. I've learned to very quickly assess what works and what does not, because I completely trust my own inner sense. I let go of what is not for me. And my intuition will draw my attention to exactly what I need to know.
Yes. I find that I am much like that myself, except that I also accept that some days, I will not be able to rely on my intuition, because some days I'm tired, or cranky or angry, and that's ok, I just need to try to go gently on myself and those around me on those days. Some days, I'm not capable of making good choices so it's best to avoid doing so on those days. And it's all good. Not that I always want to but I think it's important to embrace all facets of one's personality, good, bad and indifferent and to be accepting of that. It's all within the range of human emotion and needs to be acknowledged and understood. It's part of who I am.
Exactly my point. All of this logic and the emotions that stem from logic are a bunch of delusional nonsense. What is real, pure, and unadulterated is experience. Not what we think about experience. Not what we feel about experience. But living, freely in each moment. All the rest is ego. Our thoughts and emotions change and fluctuate--they do not stay the same. Our experiences always remain real at base, no matter what we think or feel about them.
Yes. I find that I am much like that myself, except that I also accept that some days, I will not be able to rely on my intuition, because some days I'm tired, or cranky or angry, and that's ok, I just need to try to go gently on myself and those around me on those days. Some days, I'm not capable of making good choices so it's best to avoid doing so on those days. And it's all good. Not that I always want to but I think it's important to embrace all facets of one's personality, good, bad and indifferent and to be accepting of that. It's all within the range of human emotion and needs to be acknowledged and understood. It's part of who I am.
Yeah, I was completely out of touch with my emotions in my disassociations, for years, with the result being mental illness. I completely agree, it's very important to accept it all, unconditionally. And I also definitely have times I don't act, or decide, and I embrace that as well.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I definitely asked your boyfriend numerous questions about that, too, because it's fascinating to me.
It's interesting the way you talk about this, because I have been a generally very disassociated person, due to trauma, as well. It's been a big challenge for me to learn to ground myself and to be in myself. So, naturally my energy is very dispersed. If you are a similar personality type to my own, I know my own is prone to having the least boundaries/grounding of all types. If I can stay grounded, it's a huge gift because I can understand all kinds of things about others, empathically. Or even about life and the environment--I perceive it. And again, it's crucial to stay grounded, because if I lose touch with the person doing the perceiving, I'm totally lost and confused.
Yep! That's him! A fascinating individual with a good heart!
I don't know if I disassociate, I've just had to understand, repeatedly it would seem, that my body is not me. And that I am not my body. That we are seperate. As well as together. My body does things that I do not want it to do, and despite my best efforts to get it to stop, it does not. So sometimes, my body is the boss of me. But I give it a good run for it's money! Sometimes we are seperate and sometimes we are united. I am as kind to my body as I can be and far kinder to it than it is to itself or than some others have been to it. But I confess to getting fed up with it sometimes!
And I think that's where the questioning comes in. I think if you understand just how seperate you really are from your body and just how alone you really are in this world then you are forced to look outside the casing for answers. And once you recognize this, I think it's much easier to recognize the same in others.
I have been lucky enough to live my life without fear, but every day I see people drowning in it. I see our whole society drownig in it.
AS for out of body experiences, I don't believe I have had one of these, but I lived life in a daze for a while after a run of bad stuff a few years ago.
its no life jeanie.
sometimes i wonder that if i just believe in God and have that faith then he'll reward me and allow me to find the peace i want.
Ah honey!! I can't help think of that old "inspirational" picture of the ship listing on its side with the words:
"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others."
(Sorry! Not to be flippant!! )
But don't underestimate the importance of you cate, despite what you might be hearing to the contrary. For all that things are not peaceful, and you are wishing for that peace, don't forget that many of us here find you to be a truly remarkable human being. :rolleyes: Yes!! You!!
Oh, and if it makes you feel any better at all, lately, I've had this overwhelming urge to obsessively compulsively recite the rosary! It's been most disconcerting for an athiest! Or whatever the hell it is that I am!!
Yep! That's him! A fascinating individual with a good heart!
I don't know if I disassociate, I've just had to understand, repeatedly it would seem, that my body is not me. And that I am not my body. That we are seperate. As well as together. My body does things that I do not want it to do, and despite my best efforts to get it to stop, it does not. So sometimes, my body is the boss of me. But I give it a good run for it's money! Sometimes we are seperate and sometimes we are united. I am as kind to my body as I can be and far kinder to it than it is to itself or than some others have been to it. But I confess to getting fed up with it sometimes!
And I think that's where the questioning comes in. I think if you understand just how seperate you really are from your body and just how alone you really are in this world then you are forced to look outside the casing for answers. And once you recognize this, I think it's much easier to recognize the same in others.
I relate to all of this, including the part about the dude with the good heart.
I've spent a lot of time learning to awaken inside my body, and really plug into my energy base within myself--to be really conscious of being in my body, paradoxically, at the same time as realizing I'm not only my body.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Last year, you were on this board encouraging people to watch "What the Bleep Do We Know". You said people would be hurting themselves to miss it.
Now you believe the exact opposite. You prove that your thoughts change. What if they change and you diametrically oppose yourself next year again?
No matter what, as any one of us is sitting in front of a computer right now, that will never change. Two days from now, you will be totally unable to go back in time to today and change that. That action cannot be erased. If you rub your eye right now, no matter what your thoughts, feelings or emotions, that action is what it is, and will never change. You will segue into new actions in each moment, but your actions are always the truth. Your existence, and how you act out your being is always true. Beliefs, ideas and theories come and go--they are impermanent.
More circular logic, that whole statement depends on its self being a belief and therefor is negated by its self. Just like all your other theories and the entire "What the BLEEP" move. That's what I've learned in the past year or so. The premise of what the bleep is that our view of reality only exists within our brains, and therefor reality is a product of our brains, but first me must have a real brain, and then that is something that is not within the control of our brain. And you see the whole argument of the movie crash down into a pile of shit.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Oh, and if it makes you feel any better at all, lately, I've had this overwhelming urge to obsessively compulsively recite the rosary! It's been most disconcerting for an athiest! Or whatever the hell it is that I am!!
well i won't tell you what ive had an overwhelming urge to do cause all the rosaries in the world wont help with that.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I have been lucky enough to live my life without fear, but every day I see people drowning in it. I see our whole society drownig in it.
AS for out of body experiences, I don't believe I have had one of these, but I lived life in a daze for a while after a run of bad stuff a few years ago.
Thanks, lucy.
I agree, I see society drowning in it.
From what you mentioned to me in pms awhile back, I can understand you living life in a daze with the bad stuff you told me.
You seem like a pretty balanced person, lucy.
And if you get the music in the spaces thing, you might just understand spirituality a little more than you let on, or even realize.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
More circular logic, that whole statement depends on its self being a belief and therefor is negated by its self. Just like all your other theories and the entire "What the BLEEP" move. That's what I've learned in the past year or so. The premise of what the bleep is that our view of reality only exists within our brains, and therefor reality is a product of our brains, but first me must have a real brain, and then that is something that is not within the control of our brain. And you see the whole argument of the movie crash down into a pile of shit.
Right again! Because logic is delusional nonsense! We could even debate, fight and go at it tooth and nail for a year, and then discover in reality, we get along perfectly harmoniously!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yeah, I was completely out of touch with my emotions in my disassociations, for years, with the result being mental illness. I completely agree, it's very important to accept it all, unconditionally. And I also definitely have times I don't act, or decide, and I embrace that as well.
I think the hardest part is to know which voice to use and when. And to rerecord your internal tape recorder!! And when to turn it up or when to turn it down or when to turn it off!!
I have to wonder if this way of talking to oneself, acknowledging your inner voices, isn't the same mechanism that other people use to pray to god.
Right again! Because logic is delusional nonsense! We could even debate, fight and go at it tooth and nail for a year, and then discover in reality, we get along perfectly harmoniously!
There is nothing wrong with logical inquiry i.e. Science. What's is wrong is irrational interpretations. Such as quantum indeterminacy.
There are two definitions of determinism.
A) Everything that happens, happens according to prior events. Causal Determinism
The act of predicting the outcome of a system
In other words, quantum indeterminacy refers to definition B. Definition A is still entirely valid, always has been and probably always will be.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think the hardest part is to know which voice to use and when. And to rerecord your internal tape recorder!! And when to turn it up or when to turn it down or when to turn it off!!
I have to wonder if this way of talking to oneself, acknowledging your inner voices, isn't the same mechanism that other people use to pray to god.
Agreed.
And I'm going to go to sleep now. I've thoroughly enjoyed the company of you future-people! We'll have to compare religions again in the......future, sometime! Be well, all! Peace.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
There is nothing wrong with logical inquiry i.e. Science. What's is wrong is irrational interpretations. Such as quantum indeterminacy.
There are two definitions of determinism.
A) Everything that happens, happens according to prior events. Causal Determinism
The act of predicting the outcome of a system
In other words, quantum indeterminacy refers to definition B. Definition A is still entirely valid, always has been and probably always will be.
Unfortunately there are approximately 50 or more presuppositions in this post. By understanding the disconnection between the signifier and the signified, it makes it hard for me to take logical assertion seriously. But it's great fun within the context of logic!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
From what you mentioned to me in pms awhile back, I can understand you living life in a daze with the bad stuff you told me.
You seem like a pretty balanced person, lucy.
And if you get the music in the spaces thing, you might just understand spirituality a little more than you let on, or even realize.
Anj, you are on an absolute blinder today. Not only are you coming out with gems of wisdom, you chose exactly the right word to descibe what I strive to be. "Balance" is the single most important thing to me. I think I show myself to understand and be aware of spirituality, I just don't feel a need to mystify it, or dress it up in fancy concepts or charades of wonder.
My spirituality, to call it that, is very simple. It has always been based around a grounding with nature I suppose. Spending a lot of time at the beach, never living in a big city even when dwelling there. Even in an urban environment I have always sought the havens of parks and streams. There is a natural watercourse under the major freeway in Brisbane with pools and little waterfalls etc, where I would take my dogs walking and go swimming etc when I was living there as a student.
DRessing that up in mystery and calling it New Age wisdom or divine religion or whatever has just always seemed so bizarre.
Riding a wave is a pure lustrous experieince, soul food, but that's all. The rush of pure joy as a dolphin leaps out of the wave in front of you is incrediible, but it does not demonstrate the existence of god or anything else, just the presecen of teh dolphin and the wave.
Surf at sunset and being the last one out, fleeing up the beach with the long shadows chasing you and the smell of a barbeque and the sound of hot summer laughter, that's what I call a spiritual experience.
I can't remember exactly what I told you but it was about half of everything at the time. I still can't hold a memory of where my mother's ashes are, I have to ring my sister and ask when I want to know. She understands !!
I have been lucky enough to live my life without fear, but every day I see people drowning in it. I see our whole society drownig in it.
AS for out of body experiences, I don't believe I have had one of these, but I lived life in a daze for a while after a run of bad stuff a few years ago.
It is a magnificent quote lucy! And one to aspire to for me.
But I cannot deny that there are things about my life that make me very fearful. Not death so much, but suffering. Prior to my diagnosis, I can't say that fear was a huge part of my life. Anger, frustration, hurt maybe over the years. But not so much with the fear. Lots of happy go lucky and other good stuff of course, the other not so good stuff at different times. All lived through and learned from. But fear, well fear is a whole new ball game. Because it's insidious. And I think perhaps in my case, quite reasonable to have. Now I've managed to attempt to control it in small ways by finding out what my "choices" are and educating myself and making my wishes known, but seriously? As far as I can see it's rock and hard place stuff. And I'm quite sure that for many people this is also the case. They are fearful because they are having to make "choices" between unworkable options. Unchoosable choices. Or in some cases no choice at all. I don't think people are always fearful. Just as they are not always cheerful. It's what you think and do each day that adds up to the whole in the end. Majority thought patterns rule!! So I can see why you would think people seem "stuck" in fear.
But I also think it's bunny in headlights stuff, sometimes if you dip the lights on and off high beam, it's enough to rouse the bunny from his trance and having him racing off for the roadside, to hop another day! Think that's where some of this religion and "alternative lifestyles" can be helpful. If it helps people learn how to rouse themselves from the trance.
It is a magnificent quote lucy! And one to aspire to for me.
But I cannot deny that there are things about my life that make me very fearful. Not death so much, but suffering. Prior to my diagnosis, I can't say that fear was a huge part of my life. Anger, frustration, hurt maybe over the years. But not so much with the fear. Lots of happy go lucky and other good stuff of course, the other not so good stuff at different times. All lived through and learned from. But fear, well fear is a whole new ball game. Because it's insidious. And I think perhaps in my case, quite reasonable to have. Now I've managed to attempt to control it in small ways by finding out what my "choices" are and educating myself and making my wishes known, but seriously? As far as I can see it's rock and hard place stuff. And I'm quite sure that for many people this is also the case. They are fearful because they are having to make "choices" between unworkable options. Unchoosable choices. Or in some cases no choice at all. I don't think people are always fearful. Just as they are not always cheerful. It's what you think and do each day that adds up to the whole in the end. Majority thought patterns rule!! So I can see why you would think people seem "stuck" in fear.
But I also think it's bunny in headlights stuff, sometimes if you dip the lights on and off high beam, it's enough to rouse the bunny from his trance and having him racing off for the roadside, to hop another day! Think that's where some of this religion and "alternative lifestyles" can be helpful. If it helps people learn how to rouse themselves from the trance.
Lots of true stuff in there. I don't see people at their best of course, I see them mostly when they are struggling. But the media is full of fear. People are always "raising fears about this" and "voicing concerns" about that, and the result is unreasonable fear, rahter than reasonable fear, which is what you persoanlly are refering to.
Where there is reasonable fear, there can also be unreasonable fear.
I agree with your last sentence, people can use religion and alternative stuff to disturb their inertia and move around a bit, but they also use them to justify their inertia as well.
hAvne't finfished, but gotta run and "attend" !!
Unfortunately there are approximately 50 or more presuppositions in this post. By understanding the disconnection between the signifier and the signified, it makes it hard for me to take logical assertion seriously. But it's great fun within the context of logic!
There are no presuppositions. See the problem is you are looking at stuff that only vaguely matters in a weird poetic way. It's not that relevant to say that red is different for me than it is for you, it's still red and unless you are colorblind you understand what I mean when I say red. All this talk about words not meaning anything is crap. People say that words aren't real, well they are. They exist as patterns in our brains, soundwaves, arrangements of photons on your monitor or ink or lead on paper. They exist just as much as we do. We are only an arrange of matter, a pattern. Everything is nature. A word is a pattern in my mind, and as long as it matches the pattern of the word in your mind, then it does it's job. Tell me if I'm wrong.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And I'm going to go to sleep now. I've thoroughly enjoyed the company of you future-people! We'll have to compare religions again in the......future, sometime! Be well, all! Peace.
Night night sweet angel.
I'll get back to the washing. :eek:
We shall have to take a closer look at the spiritual yes.
Surf at sunset and being the last one out, fleeing up the beach with the long shadows chasing you and the smell of a barbeque and the sound of hot summer laughter, that's what I call a spiritual experience.
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Thank you angel.
I'll be saving this one for the notice board in my room.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
It's interesting the way you talk about this, because I have been a generally very disassociated person, due to trauma, as well. It's been a big challenge for me to learn to ground myself and to be in myself. So, naturally my energy is very dispersed. If you are a similar personality type to my own, I know my own is prone to having the least boundaries/grounding of all types. If I can stay grounded, it's a huge gift because I can understand all kinds of things about others, empathically. Or even about life and the environment--I perceive it. And again, it's crucial to stay grounded, because if I lose touch with the person doing the perceiving, I'm totally lost and confused.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey - don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride...” But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded. But it doesn't matter because: It's just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace." ~ Bill Hicks
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
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Yes. I find that I am much like that myself, except that I also accept that some days, I will not be able to rely on my intuition, because some days I'm tired, or cranky or angry, and that's ok, I just need to try to go gently on myself and those around me on those days. Some days, I'm not capable of making good choices so it's best to avoid doing so on those days. And it's all good. Not that I always want to but I think it's important to embrace all facets of one's personality, good, bad and indifferent and to be accepting of that. It's all within the range of human emotion and needs to be acknowledged and understood. It's part of who I am.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Yes but what a life cate!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
its no life jeanie.
sometimes i wonder that if i just believe in God and have that faith then he'll reward me and allow me to find the peace i want.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
thank you for this, angelica........:o:)
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Yep! That's him! A fascinating individual with a good heart!
I don't know if I disassociate, I've just had to understand, repeatedly it would seem, that my body is not me. And that I am not my body. That we are seperate. As well as together. My body does things that I do not want it to do, and despite my best efforts to get it to stop, it does not. So sometimes, my body is the boss of me. But I give it a good run for it's money! Sometimes we are seperate and sometimes we are united. I am as kind to my body as I can be and far kinder to it than it is to itself or than some others have been to it. But I confess to getting fed up with it sometimes!
And I think that's where the questioning comes in. I think if you understand just how seperate you really are from your body and just how alone you really are in this world then you are forced to look outside the casing for answers.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
What a magnificent quote !!!
I have been lucky enough to live my life without fear, but every day I see people drowning in it. I see our whole society drownig in it.
AS for out of body experiences, I don't believe I have had one of these, but I lived life in a daze for a while after a run of bad stuff a few years ago.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Ah honey!! I can't help think of that old "inspirational" picture of the ship listing on its side with the words:
"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others."
But don't underestimate the importance of you cate, despite what you might be hearing to the contrary. For all that things are not peaceful, and you are wishing for that peace, don't forget that many of us here find you to be a truly remarkable human being. :rolleyes: Yes!! You!!
Oh, and if it makes you feel any better at all, lately, I've had this overwhelming urge to obsessively compulsively recite the rosary! It's been most disconcerting for an athiest! Or whatever the hell it is that I am!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I've spent a lot of time learning to awaken inside my body, and really plug into my energy base within myself--to be really conscious of being in my body, paradoxically, at the same time as realizing I'm not only my body.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
More circular logic, that whole statement depends on its self being a belief and therefor is negated by its self. Just like all your other theories and the entire "What the BLEEP" move. That's what I've learned in the past year or so. The premise of what the bleep is that our view of reality only exists within our brains, and therefor reality is a product of our brains, but first me must have a real brain, and then that is something that is not within the control of our brain. And you see the whole argument of the movie crash down into a pile of shit.
well i won't tell you what ive had an overwhelming urge to do cause all the rosaries in the world wont help with that.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I agree, I see society drowning in it.
From what you mentioned to me in pms awhile back, I can understand you living life in a daze with the bad stuff you told me.
You seem like a pretty balanced person, lucy.
And if you get the music in the spaces thing, you might just understand spirituality a little more than you let on, or even realize.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I think the hardest part is to know which voice to use and when. And to rerecord your internal tape recorder!! And when to turn it up or when to turn it down or when to turn it off!!
I have to wonder if this way of talking to oneself, acknowledging your inner voices, isn't the same mechanism that other people use to pray to god.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
There is nothing wrong with logical inquiry i.e. Science. What's is wrong is irrational interpretations. Such as quantum indeterminacy.
There are two definitions of determinism.
A) Everything that happens, happens according to prior events. Causal Determinism
In other words, quantum indeterminacy refers to definition B. Definition A is still entirely valid, always has been and probably always will be.
And I'm going to go to sleep now. I've thoroughly enjoyed the company of you future-people! We'll have to compare religions again in the......future, sometime! Be well, all!
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Anj, you are on an absolute blinder today. Not only are you coming out with gems of wisdom, you chose exactly the right word to descibe what I strive to be. "Balance" is the single most important thing to me. I think I show myself to understand and be aware of spirituality, I just don't feel a need to mystify it, or dress it up in fancy concepts or charades of wonder.
My spirituality, to call it that, is very simple. It has always been based around a grounding with nature I suppose. Spending a lot of time at the beach, never living in a big city even when dwelling there. Even in an urban environment I have always sought the havens of parks and streams. There is a natural watercourse under the major freeway in Brisbane with pools and little waterfalls etc, where I would take my dogs walking and go swimming etc when I was living there as a student.
DRessing that up in mystery and calling it New Age wisdom or divine religion or whatever has just always seemed so bizarre.
Riding a wave is a pure lustrous experieince, soul food, but that's all. The rush of pure joy as a dolphin leaps out of the wave in front of you is incrediible, but it does not demonstrate the existence of god or anything else, just the presecen of teh dolphin and the wave.
Surf at sunset and being the last one out, fleeing up the beach with the long shadows chasing you and the smell of a barbeque and the sound of hot summer laughter, that's what I call a spiritual experience.
I can't remember exactly what I told you but it was about half of everything at the time. I still can't hold a memory of where my mother's ashes are, I have to ring my sister and ask when I want to know. She understands !!
It is a magnificent quote lucy!
But I cannot deny that there are things about my life that make me very fearful. Not death so much, but suffering. Prior to my diagnosis, I can't say that fear was a huge part of my life. Anger, frustration, hurt maybe over the years. But not so much with the fear. Lots of happy go lucky and other good stuff of course, the other not so good stuff at different times. All lived through and learned from. But fear, well fear is a whole new ball game. Because it's insidious. And I think perhaps in my case, quite reasonable to have. Now I've managed to attempt to control it in small ways by finding out what my "choices" are and educating myself and making my wishes known, but seriously? As far as I can see it's rock and hard place stuff. And I'm quite sure that for many people this is also the case. They are fearful because they are having to make "choices" between unworkable options. Unchoosable choices. Or in some cases no choice at all. I don't think people are always fearful. Just as they are not always cheerful.
But I also think it's bunny in headlights stuff, sometimes if you dip the lights on and off high beam, it's enough to rouse the bunny from his trance and having him racing off for the roadside, to hop another day! Think that's where some of this religion and "alternative lifestyles" can be helpful. If it helps people learn how to rouse themselves from the trance.
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Leap around the loungeroom, playing air guitar and singing into the hairbrush??
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Lots of true stuff in there. I don't see people at their best of course, I see them mostly when they are struggling. But the media is full of fear. People are always "raising fears about this" and "voicing concerns" about that, and the result is unreasonable fear, rahter than reasonable fear, which is what you persoanlly are refering to.
Where there is reasonable fear, there can also be unreasonable fear.
I agree with your last sentence, people can use religion and alternative stuff to disturb their inertia and move around a bit, but they also use them to justify their inertia as well.
hAvne't finfished, but gotta run and "attend" !!
Nice turn this thread has taken dontcha think ??
There are no presuppositions. See the problem is you are looking at stuff that only vaguely matters in a weird poetic way. It's not that relevant to say that red is different for me than it is for you, it's still red and unless you are colorblind you understand what I mean when I say red. All this talk about words not meaning anything is crap. People say that words aren't real, well they are. They exist as patterns in our brains, soundwaves, arrangements of photons on your monitor or ink or lead on paper. They exist just as much as we do. We are only an arrange of matter, a pattern. Everything is nature. A word is a pattern in my mind, and as long as it matches the pattern of the word in your mind, then it does it's job. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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Night night sweet angel.
I'll get back to the washing. :eek:
We shall have to take a closer look at the spiritual yes.
Future Girl, over and out!!
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Sign me up lucy!!
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