I didn't quote anything as "law!" Laughs dude. Get your head out of your ass. This birth certificate conspiracy theory is as stupid as the ones who said GW caused 9/11. And that the building was really exploded with dynamite instead of from the jet airliner smashing into the side of it.
Obama is really an African Muslim, run for your lives, the sky is falling, we've all been duped. He's a terrorist and he pals around with terrorist. He is putting together a bipartisan cabinet, I told you he was an African Muslim terrorist!!! Doom and gloom!!!
What a fucking joke.
Interesting picture you painted for yourself there. Let me know when you find someone that thinks that.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
How do you know they didn't? Do you have the inside track to Obama's legal team?
It would probably all over Berg's site in a matter of minutes.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Find someone who thinks this birth certificate conspiracy theory is stupid? How many would people do you want?
Who cares. That's not the point. It's in the courts now.
Let's see how he handles this seemingly trivial situation, it may be very telling.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Not the same "they," but there were questions. There's no dispute that McCain actually was born outside the U.S. The question was was he born on the military base or in a hospital in Panama? The question was rendered "moot," I believe, when it was declared that since both his parents were U.S. citizens, then he is a natural born U.S. citizen. That "offspring of a U.S. citizen" thing, for some reason, isn't enough where Obama is concerned.
Well, actually he was born to American parents (both of them) on a U.S. navy base in Panama. The Panama Canal Zone was American territory when McCain was born there. So basically he was born in the US to American parents.
McCain, who's nationality and birth certificate were questioned as well, asked legal experts to put the whole thing to rest. They sought it out, he provided his birth certificate.
Quite simple. So, this "extra Obama scrutiny" was also applied to McCain. The only difference is McCain acted quickly and put the thing to rest. Obama chose this himself, he had the power and means to nip this in the bud, he didn't. Like I said, foolish on his part. McCain handled it more intelligently.
There is a deadline for a Dec 1st response. One would think they would at least say something either way.
It seems the ignore route is their strategy.
Yes, it is their strategy. From Wikipedia:
"Although Berg claimed that the Court has required the respondents to reply by December 1, 2008, the Supreme Court's docket reveals that the respondents filed a waiver of their right to respond to Berg's petition.[9] This means the respondents will file no response at all, which is typical when frivolous petitions are filed in the Supreme Court."
Well, actually he was born to American parents (both of them) on a U.S. navy base in Panama. The Panama Canal Zone was American territory when McCain was born there. So basically he was born in the US to American parents.
McCain, who's nationality and birth certificate were questioned as well, asked legal experts to put the whole thing to rest. They sought it out, he provided his birth certificate.
Quite simple. So, this "extra Obama scrutiny" was also applied to McCain. The only difference is McCain acted quickly and put the thing to rest. Obama chose this himself, he had the power and means to nip this in the bud, he didn't. Like I said, foolish on his part. McCain handled it more intelligently.
No, Obama did the same thing. He released his "COLB," as the internets like to call it (Certificate of Live Birth). It's a computer generated copy that everyone gets when they request a birth certificate from the state. Hawaii has verified that it is legit. "Expert analysts" (i.e. anonymous internet posters) have declared that the COLB is a forgery, and so are demanding a long form. Only the COLB is not a forgery, so why should Obama comply with the "extra" demand?
Yes, it is their strategy. From Wikipedia:
"Although Berg claimed that the Court has required the respondents to reply by December 1, 2008, the Supreme Court's docket reveals that the respondents filed a waiver of their right to respond to Berg's petition.[9] This means the respondents will file no response at all, which is typical when frivolous petitions are filed in the Supreme Court."
Well there it is then, which would probably explain why Berg seems to have dropped it judging by his website and the lack of updating it.
I guess he'll take it to his grave.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No, Obama did the same thing. He released his "COLB," as the internets like to call it (Certificate of Live Birth). It's a computer generated copy that everyone gets when they request a birth certificate from the state. Hawaii has verified that it is legit. "Expert analysts" (i.e. anonymous internet posters) have declared that the COLB is a forgery, and so are demanding a long form. Only the COLB is not a forgery, so why should Obama comply with the "extra" demand?
I never doubted that Obama was a US citizen. I just think he handled it poorly.
It is interesting that the online version seems to have been altered.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I never doubted that Obama was a US citizen. I just think he handled it poorly.
That's the thing, though. He's handled it the same way as every other presidential contender has and went no further. The "went no further" is the part that has all these "Expert Analysts" up in arms. Something's differently about Obama, it seems.
As an anonymous internet poster, myself, I could call myself an historian and claim that you are J. Edgar Hoover based on a picture of the words "RolandTD20Kdrummer" photoshopped over a polka-dotted sundress. Story of the Century! Now if only I had a blog.
That's the thing, though. He's handled it the same way as every other presidential contender has and went no further. The "went no further" is the part that has all these "Expert Analysts" up in arms. Something's differently about Obama, it seems.
We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
As an anonymous internet poster, myself, I could call myself an historian and claim that you are J. Edgar Hoover based on a picture of the words "RolandTD20Kdrummer" photoshopped over a polka-dotted sundress. Story of the Century! Now if only I had a blog.
Interesting. What of the other claims?
This is a fire that should have taken a little extra water to put out imo...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is a fire that should have taken a little extra water to put out imo...
Well, I just listened to "the tape" where Obama's grandmother claims to have witnessed Obama's birth. First things first - she speaks in Swahili, so the whole conversation is through a translator. The audio is terrible. The "interviewer" - a one Ron McRae - mistakenly alternates between calling Obama her son (named Barack Obama) and her grandson (also named Barack Obama). Possible confusion over who he was talking about? Couldn't tell you, because the audio is so bad I had to read the "transcript (and take the transcript at it's word) of the translator. And, after listening for 5 minutes, the question is asked, and she responds (again, in Swahili, after being asked the question by a translator, who heard the question in English) that she was present for Obama's birth. At least that's what the transcript says (a transcript of a translator speaking in English on a bad recording relaying what someone said in Swahili). Then, the tape ends abruptly. They got their "yes" and they cut off the rest. Not exactly concrete evidence.
As for the Indonesian citizenship? Well, Obama is not a citizen of Indonesia. He is a natural born citizen of the U.S., and therefore cannot have his citizenship changed by a step-father in another country. He was simply too young to legally renounce his U.S. citizenship. So, no matter what Indonesia thought of pre-10 year old Obama's citizenship, we here in the United States only recognize our own standards. As such, Obama is still a natural born U.S. citizen.
We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
I have to admit I still fail to understand why this type of thing is not verified before the elections so everyone can just shut up but I understand RainDog's point :
why should obama accept to be treated differently than others? this question is to be answered before he should consider giving the documents asked. But then again the whole thing is desperately stupid.
We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
From what I've seen of these "cases," they're padded in such a way that it doesn't matter what Obama's long form certificate says. They already "pre-disbelieve" the information on it. There's really nothing Obama can do to change these people's prejudices and distrust. In my opinion, the best thing he can do is what he did. Do only what every other presidential contender has done in the past and ignore the rest. Let these people twist in the wind. Anything else lends credibility to their claims.
It is interesting that the online version seems to have been altered.
The fact that you give any credence to a site so overtly against Obama, and you take it as valid points, shows just how ignorant you really are.
You are more increasingly becoming the laughing stock of this entire forum. You sir bring down the intelligence level of the entire internet by continually regurgitating from anti Obama and right winged conspiracy websites this clearly anti-Obama sentiment.
I could see through the rhetoric before the campaign even started. I never really did "put all the chips" so to speak on him in the first place, as I realize what presidents are, and ultimately can do in the long run given their conditions of operation. Money talks. Change comes from the bottom up is what I've come to realize about 10 years ago.
Which leads me to ponder if Merriam Webster will reevaluate their entry for change...hehe
From Merriam Webster:
a: to make different in some particular : alter
CHECK
b: to make radically different : transform
from the Bush admin, CHECK
c: to give a different position, course, or direction to
CHECK
Not seeing how he hasn't met this definition? Had he campaigned on a platform of revolution, you might have a point. But he didn't.
Also, kudos to you for realizing that change was chiefly a campaign slogan, a tactic that has been used in every Presidential race in history (Tippecanoe and Tyler too!). Looks like no politician escapes your searing intellect and x-ray vision!
The fact that you give any credence to a site so overtly against Obama, and you take it as valid points, shows just how ignorant you really are.
You are more increasingly becoming the laughing stock of this entire forum. You sir bring down the intelligence level of the entire internet by continually regurgitating from anti Obama and right winged conspiracy websites this clearly anti-Obama sentiment.
Oh please go take your anger out on a small animal or something.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
a: to make different in some particular : alter
CHECK
b: to make radically different : transform
from the Bush admin, CHECK
c: to give a different position, course, or direction to
CHECK
Not seeing how he hasn't met this definition? Had he campaigned on a platform of revolution, you might have a point. But he didn't.
Also, kudos to you for realizing that change was chiefly a campaign slogan, a tactic that has been used in every Presidential race in history (Tippecanoe and Tyler too!). Looks like no politician escapes your searing intellect and x-ray vision!
How you're claiming some moral high ground here is rather puzzling, and indicative of other things as well.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
Are you aware of what is on this guy's plate right now?? The current regime has essentially stepped off except to write a lot of really bad legislation that will destroy many public, beautiful places, in the names of the oil and coal companies. He's watching all of that. He's putting together his administration. He's working feverishly to work out solutions for economic collapse, The world is fire, and then there is this idiot who purports to be some sort of graphic expert who in his cowardice spews his nonsense in anonymity. There's no there, there. We have elected a man who is actually concerned with working out domestic and international problems instead of creating them. Why not be grateful that there is finally a serious intellect who'll be taking charge of the White House.
Are you aware of what is on this guy's plate right now?? The current regime has essentially stepped off except to write a lot of really bad legislation that will destroy many public, beautiful places, in the names of the oil and coal companies. He's watching all of that. He's putting together his administration. He's working feverishly to work out solutions for economic collapse, The world is fire, and then there is this idiot who purports to be some sort of graphic expert who in his cowardice spews his nonsense in anonymity. There's no there, there. We have elected a man who is actually concerned with working out domestic and international problems instead of creating them. Why not be grateful that there is finally a serious intellect who'll be taking charge of the White House.
you're a little black and white in your views, aren't you?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
you're a little black and white in your views, aren't you?
Let's see, he can concentrate on the very seriousness of the shit storm he is inheriting, or he can play ping pong with frivolous lawsuits started by partisan idiots who work to the detriment of the country in the name of 'party', or some self interest. Yeah, this one I see as pretty cut and dried, Angelica.
Are you aware of what is on this guy's plate right now?? The current regime has essentially stepped off except to write a lot of really bad legislation that will destroy many public, beautiful places, in the names of the oil and coal companies. He's watching all of that. He's putting together his administration. He's working feverishly to work out solutions for economic collapse, The world is fire, and then there is this idiot who purports to be some sort of graphic expert who in his cowardice spews his nonsense in anonymity. There's no there, there. We have elected a man who is actually concerned with working out domestic and international problems instead of creating them. Why not be grateful that there is finally a serious intellect who'll be taking charge of the White House.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I concur 100%.
Let's see, he can concentrate on the very seriousness of the shit storm he is inheriting, or he can play ping pong with frivolous lawsuits started by partisan idiots who work to the detriment of the country in the name of 'party', or some self interest. Yeah, this one I see as pretty cut and dried, Angelica.
I think the concept of challenging politics to stand up to all forms of scrutiny is a worthwhile process in and of itself.
I doubt very highly it would take more than a few moments of BO's time to have someone issue a simple statement in response, and be done with it.
Avoiding something based on distrust just breeds further distrust.
Something like "we have looked into the claims and find them to be nothing more than desperate, trivial and inconsequential, and something that requires no further action on our behalf", and then he could go on to sell his strong points, and totally turn it around.
The ignorance thing is just bad practice...bad PR.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Oh, I am sure you'd like that. Nope, you misinformation campaign is where I will expend my energy, time permitting of course.
There's an underlying avenue of principle.
I cringe when people disregard concepts like this and play favorites. You're only screwing yourself.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Interesting picture you painted for yourself there. Let me know when you find someone that thinks that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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It would probably all over Berg's site in a matter of minutes.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Who cares. That's not the point. It's in the courts now.
Let's see how he handles this seemingly trivial situation, it may be very telling.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Well, actually he was born to American parents (both of them) on a U.S. navy base in Panama. The Panama Canal Zone was American territory when McCain was born there. So basically he was born in the US to American parents.
McCain, who's nationality and birth certificate were questioned as well, asked legal experts to put the whole thing to rest. They sought it out, he provided his birth certificate.
Quite simple. So, this "extra Obama scrutiny" was also applied to McCain. The only difference is McCain acted quickly and put the thing to rest. Obama chose this himself, he had the power and means to nip this in the bud, he didn't. Like I said, foolish on his part. McCain handled it more intelligently.
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"Although Berg claimed that the Court has required the respondents to reply by December 1, 2008, the Supreme Court's docket reveals that the respondents filed a waiver of their right to respond to Berg's petition.[9] This means the respondents will file no response at all, which is typical when frivolous petitions are filed in the Supreme Court."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_J._Berg
Well there it is then, which would probably explain why Berg seems to have dropped it judging by his website and the lack of updating it.
I guess he'll take it to his grave.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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I never doubted that Obama was a US citizen. I just think he handled it poorly.
naděje umírá poslední
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf
It is interesting that the online version seems to have been altered.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Here:
http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/210-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis.html
And here:
http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html
As an anonymous internet poster, myself, I could call myself an historian and claim that you are J. Edgar Hoover based on a picture of the words "RolandTD20Kdrummer" photoshopped over a polka-dotted sundress. Story of the Century! Now if only I had a blog.
We're just looking at it from different perspectives, I guess. I think Obama's case isn't like 'every other presidential candidate' precisely because of all the rumours and slander. Indeed he went no further, this doesn't have me up in arms but I just think that maybe he should have taken it a little further to nip the whole thing in the bud. Instead he decided to treat this lightly, paying no further attention to it and hardly commenting on it. I think this approach has given his 'opponents' in this case more ammo, I think this will only confirm many people's prejudices and strengthen their distrust.
naděje umírá poslední
Interesting. What of the other claims?
This is a fire that should have taken a little extra water to put out imo...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
As for the Indonesian citizenship? Well, Obama is not a citizen of Indonesia. He is a natural born citizen of the U.S., and therefore cannot have his citizenship changed by a step-father in another country. He was simply too young to legally renounce his U.S. citizenship. So, no matter what Indonesia thought of pre-10 year old Obama's citizenship, we here in the United States only recognize our own standards. As such, Obama is still a natural born U.S. citizen.
why should obama accept to be treated differently than others? this question is to be answered before he should consider giving the documents asked. But then again the whole thing is desperately stupid.
You are more increasingly becoming the laughing stock of this entire forum. You sir bring down the intelligence level of the entire internet by continually regurgitating from anti Obama and right winged conspiracy websites this clearly anti-Obama sentiment.
From Merriam Webster:
a: to make different in some particular : alter
CHECK
b: to make radically different : transform
from the Bush admin, CHECK
c: to give a different position, course, or direction to
CHECK
Not seeing how he hasn't met this definition? Had he campaigned on a platform of revolution, you might have a point. But he didn't.
Also, kudos to you for realizing that change was chiefly a campaign slogan, a tactic that has been used in every Presidential race in history (Tippecanoe and Tyler too!). Looks like no politician escapes your searing intellect and x-ray vision!
Oh please go take your anger out on a small animal or something.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
How you're claiming some moral high ground here is rather puzzling, and indicative of other things as well.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Are you aware of what is on this guy's plate right now?? The current regime has essentially stepped off except to write a lot of really bad legislation that will destroy many public, beautiful places, in the names of the oil and coal companies. He's watching all of that. He's putting together his administration. He's working feverishly to work out solutions for economic collapse, The world is fire, and then there is this idiot who purports to be some sort of graphic expert who in his cowardice spews his nonsense in anonymity. There's no there, there. We have elected a man who is actually concerned with working out domestic and international problems instead of creating them. Why not be grateful that there is finally a serious intellect who'll be taking charge of the White House.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Let's see, he can concentrate on the very seriousness of the shit storm he is inheriting, or he can play ping pong with frivolous lawsuits started by partisan idiots who work to the detriment of the country in the name of 'party', or some self interest. Yeah, this one I see as pretty cut and dried, Angelica.
I think the concept of challenging politics to stand up to all forms of scrutiny is a worthwhile process in and of itself.
I doubt very highly it would take more than a few moments of BO's time to have someone issue a simple statement in response, and be done with it.
Avoiding something based on distrust just breeds further distrust.
Something like "we have looked into the claims and find them to be nothing more than desperate, trivial and inconsequential, and something that requires no further action on our behalf", and then he could go on to sell his strong points, and totally turn it around.
The ignorance thing is just bad practice...bad PR.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
There's an underlying avenue of principle.
I cringe when people disregard concepts like this and play favorites. You're only screwing yourself.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")