Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Interesting how you are attempting to tell someone else how to think.
When you understand that others just think the way they do, then talk to me about being pragmatic and practical. Until then, you are undermining your own argument.
I'm not telling you how to think, Angelica, only pointing out that you might consider it. The fact that I've done so indicates that I am already well aware that 'others just think the way they do." It was just friendly advice.
Have a nice day.
Elevated potential always exists, independent of our obliviousness to it, or our ability to access it.
You are right. I should have said elevated potential can only be fully harnessed when...
Not being oblivious to it was part of the point of my post. Also about unified effort in attaining to newer heights.
I'm not telling you how to think, Angelica, only pointing out that you might consider it. The fact that I've done so indicates that I am already well aware that 'others just think the way they do." It was just friendly advice.
Have a nice day.
If you are now recognizing that it's much more realistic (alongside being more psychologically healthy) to suggest someone consider something rather than telling them what to do (quote by you: "Invoke common sense from time to time"), then improvement noted.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You are right. I should have said elevated potential can only be fully harnessed when...
Not being oblivious to it was part of the point of my post. Also about unified effort in attaining to newer heights.
hopefully, then, you recognize that this potential is reached when we resolve the conflicts within, and therefore realize the external conflicts we see no longer exist, then. We recognize them to have been a figment of our own fragmented view. (black/white dichotomous thinking)
if you see this, you understand how cool it is to understand this...one then can easily see who is being realistic, and who is not....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Provide something other than a .pdf from a overtly anti-Obama website and I will entertain it. Otherwise, you can save your obamacrimes.com website links for Driftin'.
Personally I think there could be (maybe) a potential technicality in the mix that ties into his Indonesian citizenship, and it's being avoided. To say it's biased extreme right tinfoil hat stuff is a but much though. Berg is a Democrat btw...
This whole "he has no time thing" is folly.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Provide something other than a .pdf from a overtly anti-Obama website and I will entertain it. Otherwise, you can save your obamacrimes.com website links for Driftin'.
Dude it's reality. Face up to the fact. Google around. "obama indonesian citizenship"
knock yourself out
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
hopefully, then, you recognize that this potential is reached when we resolve the conflicts within, and therefore realize the external conflicts we see no longer exist, then. We recognize them to have been a figment of our own fragmented view. (black/white dichotomous thinking)
if you see this, you understand how cool it is to understand this...one then can easily see who is being realistic, and who is not....
What I recognize is that there is a man trying to put together a team that will be tackling very real problems that have been festering and gathering momentum for the last 8 years. Those problems are of daily consequence on the global stage. There is a very real possibility of warfare between India and Pakistan, 2 nuclear powers.
I don't see that throwing banana skins like this Birth certificate nonsense under the feet of a man who is serious and has a focused vision, isn't anything but an unhealthy, fragmented, partisan agenda. And buying into it is dichotomous thinking.
What I recognize is that there is a man trying to put together a team that will be tackling very real problems that have been festering and gathering momentum for the last 8 years. Those problems are of daily consequence on the global stage. There is a very real possibility of warfare between India and Pakistan, 2 nuclear powers.
I don't see that throwing banana skins like this Birth certificate nonsense under the feet of a man who is serious and has a focused vision, isn't anything but an unhealthy, fragmented, partisan agenda. And buying into it is dichotomous thinking.
I'm well aware of your view.
Just as I am well aware that other people see things differently.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Just as I am well aware that other people see things differently.
And so you continue to muddle through life comfortable with your obliviousness, casting aspersions from some supposed loftier place, playing pop psychologist and luminary. Your moralizing and pontificating are horribly stale like last night's cigarettes in an overflowed ashtray.
Dude it's reality. Face up to the fact. Google around. "obama indonesian citizenship"
knock yourself out
Now, just like anyone who is trying their hardest to damn a person, has now changed gears. Are you worried that he was born in Kenya, or that at some point under the age of 5 that Obama may have been adopted by his father in Indonesia to attend school there for a short time, which at no point ever voided his US citizenship?
So he said he never had another given name. But this was when he was younger than 5 years old. At no point does this argument have any weight bearing issues on the issues at hand. it is all meant to disguise and cloud the current issues to block him from actually being the president.
He is a US citizen and he has been elected the President of the United States.
Now, just like anyone who is trying their hardest to damn a person, has now changed gears. Are you worried that he was born in Kenya, or that at some point under the age of 5 that Obama may have been adopted by his father in Indonesia to attend school there for a short time, which at no point ever voided his US citizenship?
So he said he never had another given name. But this was when he was younger than 5 years old. At no point does this argument have any weight bearing issues on the issues at hand. it is all meant to disguise and cloud the current issues to block him from actually being the president.
He is a US citizen and he has been elected the President of the United States.
Obama is not a terrorist!!
Holy shit man. Nobody is saying BO is a terrorist at any point here.
There is clearly something technical to do with his Indonesia citizenship status. Quite frankly I'm amazed you don't know the particulars of this story but you pretend like do.
It's rather ridiculous.
Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, so he would have to drop his US citizenship to be enrolled in a school there regardless of what piece of paper exists in Hawaii.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And so you continue to muddle through life comfortable with your obliviousness, casting aspersions from some supposed loftier place, playing pop psychologist and luminary. Your moralizing and pontificating are horribly stale like last night's cigarettes in an overflowed ashtray.
which brings us back to your colourful representation of how you are right; others are wrong.
I get it....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I addressed that charge, but you didn't respond to my response. So, I'll reiterate. A 10 year old does not have the legal standing to renounce his U.S. citizenship, and a step-father does not have the authority to do it for him. Therefore, the nation of Indonesia can "grant" citizenship to whomever they want - it's what the U.S. recognizes that counts. And, just in case it hasn't been made clear enough yet - the U.S. recognizes Barack Obama as a natural born citizen.
Doesn't Israeli government recognize all Jews as citizens of Israel? By Berg's logic, that means that no Jew would ever be eligible for the office of President. Fortunately, Berg is an irrational conspiracy theorist, and Jews are allowed to be President.
I addressed that charge, but you didn't respond to my response. So, I'll reiterate. A 10 year old does not have the legal standing to renounce his U.S. citizenship, and a step-father does not have the authority to do it for him. Therefore, the nation of Indonesia can "grant" citizenship to whomever they want - it's what the U.S. recognizes that counts. And, just in case it hasn't been made clear enough yet - the U.S. recognizes Barack Obama as a natural born citizen.
Doesn't Israeli government recognize all Jews as citizens of Israel? By Berg's logic, that means that no Jew would ever be eligible for the office of President. Fortunately, Berg is an irrational conspiracy theorist, and Jews are allowed to be President.
Interesting. This would have been good information to put out several months ago. Perhaps I missed it, was it?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Holy shit man. Nobody is saying BO is a terrorist at any point here.
There is clearly something technical to do with his Indonesia citizenship status. Quite frankly I'm amazed you don't know the particulars of this story but you pretend like do.
It's rather ridiculous.
Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, so he would have to drop his US citizenship to be enrolled in a school there regardless of what piece of paper exists in Hawaii.
Just because Indonesia didn't recognize his US citizenship, doesn't mean the US doesn't. Nice try though... he never lost his US citizenship in the United States.
Interesting. This would have been good information to put out several months ago. Perhaps I missed it, was it?
What information do you mean? That the U.S. recognizes is own citizenship laws? That pre-pubescent children do not have the legal standing to renounce their U.S. citizenship? I just figured this was all pretty common stuff.
What information do you mean? That the U.S. recognizes is own citizenship laws? That pre-pubescent children do not have the legal standing to renounce their U.S. citizenship? I just figured this was all pretty common stuff.
Yes legal intricacies on citizenship is common knowledge, ask around at the corner store next time you're there, I'm sure you'll see this reality quite readily.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Just because Indonesia didn't recognize his US citizenship, doesn't mean the US doesn't. Nice try though... he never lost his US citizenship in the United States.
Next.
Did you even know the Indonesia angle until a few moments ago?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Did you even know the Indonesia angle until a few moments ago?
First off, stop admitting you have angles. If you cannot come at this straight ahead and have to rely on coming at things with angles, then you admit you are fighting an uphill battle where there doesn't need to be one.
"Did you even know the Indonesia angle" - come on man, are you trying to damn your own case?
Yes, I have known little about this, but know a lot more now and, again, using logic, I have realized this is all a moot point and it has absolutely zero bearing on anything related to issues today. Being if it is true, he still never gave up his US citizenship as far as the United States was or in concerned, now did he?
Again, it all is stemming from anti-Obama folks who spend, like you, most of their day i assume thinking of ways to damn Barack Obama and shadow him as an un-American who doesn't have the best interest of our country at heart. When there is nothing at all to seriously back that claim up.
First off, stop admitting you have angles. If you cannot come at this straight ahead and have to rely on coming at things with angles, then you admit you are fighting an uphill battle where there doesn't need to be one.
"Did you even know the Indonesia angle" - come on man, are you trying to damn your own case?
Yes, I have known little about this, but know a lot more now and, again, using logic, I have realized this is all a moot point and it has absolutely zero bearing on anything related to issues today. Being if it is true, he still never gave up his US citizenship as far as the United States was or in concerned, now did he?
I find it telling that you come as high and mighty on an issue calling me all kinds of terms, and don't even know the details in the first place.
Blind partisanship if I've ever seen it. It's ridiculous.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I find it telling that you come as high and mighty on an issue calling me all kinds of terms, and don't even know the details in the first place.
Blind partisanship if I've ever seen it. It's ridiculous.
You are coming at me with "angles" about shit that makes no difference at all and has no relevance at all from web sites like obamacrimes.com.
I focus on the important issues, you focus on this trivial, frivolous shit.
So far you have had zero success in making anything that could be related to a point other than the fact that you are jumping from one anti-American frivolous claim against Obama, to another. Make up your mind, was he born in Kenya, or did he renounce his US citizenship at the age of 5? Either way, both claims are an absolute joke to the logical thinkers of the world.
You are coming at me with "angles" about shit that makes no difference at all and has no relevance at all from web sites like obamacrimes.com.
I focus on the important issues, you focus on this trivial, frivolous shit.
So far you have had zero success in making anything that could be related to a point other than the fact that you are jumping from one anti-American frivolous claim against Obama, to another. Make up your mind, was he born in Kenya, or did he renounce his US citizenship at the age of 5? Either way, both claims are an absolute joke to the logical thinkers of the world.
Point in case your mouth speaks louder than your mind in this thread. I can't help you there.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yes legal intricacies on citizenship is common knowledge, ask around at the corner store next time you're there, I'm sure you'll see this reality quite readily.
Most people would probably say that "natural born citizen parent = natural born citizen child." Most would also say that "5 - 10 year old children are too young to make life altering legal decisions." Then, I'll bet they have a general grasp of the idea that Indonesian laws hold no sway over U.S. courts.
Look, I know. You don't like the next U.S. President. You also think that it would be totally Hollywood if it turned out that he had to be thrown out of office for being a foreign national. Perhaps even imprisoned for fraud. Will Smith could play Obama and Harvey Keitel would make a wicked Berg. Hey, I'd pay to see it.
But that is simply not going to happen. These people - Berg, Keyes, Martin, Dinofrio, et. al. - are all in this for their own ends. Right now, they're only asking for donations. Next, you'll see the conspiracy books start coming out. After that, perhaps guest spots on Michael Savage. Their career opportunities are many - provided they make a "publically" convicing case now. Nevermind the statutes. Just make it sound convincing, and people will eat it up. And it just sounds so much more convincing when the target is a half-black, Indonesian schooled, former Muslim named Iraq Hussein Osama.
Point in case your mouth speaks louder than your mind in this thread. I can't help you there.
That doesn't even make any sense.
I have logically proven your fears are unfounded and unsubstantiated. You keep bouncing from one unsubstantiated anti-American claim against Obama to the next, making you look quite foolish.
Too bad Saddam Hussein wasn't just a little smarter. Back in 2002, he could have declared George Bush to be a citizen of Iraq, and that Iraq doesn't recognize dual citizenship. The Supreme Court would then be forced, forced I say, to rule Bush ineligible to hold office, and would throw him out before he had a chance to declare war.
I never realized how easy it would be for a foreign government to bring down the White House.
Yes legal intricacies on citizenship is common knowledge, ask around at the corner store next time you're there, I'm sure you'll see this reality quite readily.
Which is why it's foolish for you to buy hook, line, and sinker into any rhetoric posted on a website called "obamacrimes" by irrelevant bloggers without ever once bothering to look into the actual law. It's also why neither Obama nor the courts really gives a flying fuck what Berg thinks he's proving... they all know he's wasting their time.
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http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
So scroll down and explain C re: "Indonesian citizenship" to me if it's all so apparently clear.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I'm not telling you how to think, Angelica, only pointing out that you might consider it. The fact that I've done so indicates that I am already well aware that 'others just think the way they do." It was just friendly advice.
Have a nice day.
You are right. I should have said elevated potential can only be fully harnessed when...
Not being oblivious to it was part of the point of my post. Also about unified effort in attaining to newer heights.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
if you see this, you understand how cool it is to understand this...one then can easily see who is being realistic, and who is not....
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
This whole "he has no time thing" is folly.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Dude it's reality. Face up to the fact. Google around. "obama indonesian citizenship"
knock yourself out
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
What I recognize is that there is a man trying to put together a team that will be tackling very real problems that have been festering and gathering momentum for the last 8 years. Those problems are of daily consequence on the global stage. There is a very real possibility of warfare between India and Pakistan, 2 nuclear powers.
I don't see that throwing banana skins like this Birth certificate nonsense under the feet of a man who is serious and has a focused vision, isn't anything but an unhealthy, fragmented, partisan agenda. And buying into it is dichotomous thinking.
Just as I am well aware that other people see things differently.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
And so you continue to muddle through life comfortable with your obliviousness, casting aspersions from some supposed loftier place, playing pop psychologist and luminary. Your moralizing and pontificating are horribly stale like last night's cigarettes in an overflowed ashtray.
So he said he never had another given name. But this was when he was younger than 5 years old. At no point does this argument have any weight bearing issues on the issues at hand. it is all meant to disguise and cloud the current issues to block him from actually being the president.
He is a US citizen and he has been elected the President of the United States.
Obama is not a terrorist!!
Holy shit man. Nobody is saying BO is a terrorist at any point here.
There is clearly something technical to do with his Indonesia citizenship status. Quite frankly I'm amazed you don't know the particulars of this story but you pretend like do.
It's rather ridiculous.
Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship, so he would have to drop his US citizenship to be enrolled in a school there regardless of what piece of paper exists in Hawaii.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I get it....
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Doesn't Israeli government recognize all Jews as citizens of Israel? By Berg's logic, that means that no Jew would ever be eligible for the office of President. Fortunately, Berg is an irrational conspiracy theorist, and Jews are allowed to be President.
Interesting. This would have been good information to put out several months ago. Perhaps I missed it, was it?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Next.
Not all others
Yes legal intricacies on citizenship is common knowledge, ask around at the corner store next time you're there, I'm sure you'll see this reality quite readily.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Did you even know the Indonesia angle until a few moments ago?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
"Did you even know the Indonesia angle" - come on man, are you trying to damn your own case?
Yes, I have known little about this, but know a lot more now and, again, using logic, I have realized this is all a moot point and it has absolutely zero bearing on anything related to issues today. Being if it is true, he still never gave up his US citizenship as far as the United States was or in concerned, now did he?
Again, it all is stemming from anti-Obama folks who spend, like you, most of their day i assume thinking of ways to damn Barack Obama and shadow him as an un-American who doesn't have the best interest of our country at heart. When there is nothing at all to seriously back that claim up.
I find it telling that you come as high and mighty on an issue calling me all kinds of terms, and don't even know the details in the first place.
Blind partisanship if I've ever seen it. It's ridiculous.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I focus on the important issues, you focus on this trivial, frivolous shit.
So far you have had zero success in making anything that could be related to a point other than the fact that you are jumping from one anti-American frivolous claim against Obama, to another. Make up your mind, was he born in Kenya, or did he renounce his US citizenship at the age of 5? Either way, both claims are an absolute joke to the logical thinkers of the world.
Point in case your mouth speaks louder than your mind in this thread. I can't help you there.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Look, I know. You don't like the next U.S. President. You also think that it would be totally Hollywood if it turned out that he had to be thrown out of office for being a foreign national. Perhaps even imprisoned for fraud. Will Smith could play Obama and Harvey Keitel would make a wicked Berg. Hey, I'd pay to see it.
But that is simply not going to happen. These people - Berg, Keyes, Martin, Dinofrio, et. al. - are all in this for their own ends. Right now, they're only asking for donations. Next, you'll see the conspiracy books start coming out. After that, perhaps guest spots on Michael Savage. Their career opportunities are many - provided they make a "publically" convicing case now. Nevermind the statutes. Just make it sound convincing, and people will eat it up. And it just sounds so much more convincing when the target is a half-black, Indonesian schooled, former Muslim named Iraq Hussein Osama.
I have logically proven your fears are unfounded and unsubstantiated. You keep bouncing from one unsubstantiated anti-American claim against Obama to the next, making you look quite foolish.
I never realized how easy it would be for a foreign government to bring down the White House.
Which is why it's foolish for you to buy hook, line, and sinker into any rhetoric posted on a website called "obamacrimes" by irrelevant bloggers without ever once bothering to look into the actual law. It's also why neither Obama nor the courts really gives a flying fuck what Berg thinks he's proving... they all know he's wasting their time.