He has repeatedly said he will bring "fundamental change" to Washington. Knowing that's impossible with a general election, I at least thought he'd bring "change".
And granted he isn't even president yet, but some of the advisers he's chosen are putting a bad taste in my mouth. We can go by his rhetoric on foreign policy (claiming "all options are on the table" concerning Iran) and his economic team he's assembled. Neither lead me to believe any real change is coming.
Fox news called him the most liberal Senator in the Senate...that made me laugh. He is far from radical. More of a centrist. But I voted for him (instead of Nader this time) because, again, he claimed he would bring fundamental change to Washington. Nothing he's done since he's been elected leads me to believe he going to come through on that promise.
He's catering to corporate interests so far, catering to foreign policy hawks in regards to Israel and terrorism and Iran, and has assembled an economic team whos members should be subpeoned, not given positions in government.
That's why I am a little bit bitter at this point. he's not president yet, I still have some hope, but its not looking good.
Well, some of those are more legitimate criticisms. Although I personally wasn't under the impression that Obama's "change" approach to Washington meant appointing people who had never stepped foot in Washington before, but still, there's no doubt that many of the people on his team have thick resumes, and with thick resumes come controversy. I must say, though, that I'm a little suprised by the 'hawks' comment. These are mostly centrist foreign policy people when it comes to the broad sprectrum of American political thought. They are hawks if you use the progressive movement of the nation as your starting point, but to do that the progressives would not be progressive; they'd be moderates. So you knew he was a centrist, and he is therefore appointing centrist people. I guess I fail to see how that is surprising. If he fails to bring troops home from Iraq within his first term, we'll have something to talk about. If he does nothing to curb special interests in Washington, we'll have something to talk about. But I keep asking Roland to show me where Obama claimed to be or campaigned for a far-left-wing ideology. Maybe something will have shown up by the time I post this, but I haven't seen anything yet. I think some on the far left will be upset to find Obama building bridges between the left and right, rather than the Democrats and the far left, but Obama never claimed or campaigned to be interested in doing the latter work.
Well, some of those are more legitimate criticisms. Although I personally wasn't under the impression that Obama's "change" approach to Washington meant appointing people who had never stepped foot in Washington before, but still, there's no doubt that many of the people on his team have thick resumes, and with thick resumes come controversy. I must say, though, that I'm a little suprised by the 'hawks' comment. These are mostly centrist foreign policy people when it comes to the broad sprectrum of American political thought. They are hawks if you use the progressive movement of the nation as your starting point, but to do that the progressives would not be progressive; they'd be moderates. So you knew he was a centrist, and he is therefore appointing centrist people. I guess I fail to see how that is surprising. If he fails to bring troops home from Iraq within his first term, we'll have something to talk about. If he does nothing to curb special interests in Washington, we'll have something to talk about. But I keep asking Roland to show me where Obama claimed to be or campaigned for a far-left-wing ideology. Maybe something will have shown up by the time I post this, but I haven't seen anything yet. I think some on the far left will be upset to find Obama building bridges between the left and right, rather than the Democrats and the far left, but Obama never claimed or campaigned to be interested in doing the latter work.
So you're saying armchair Joe public voter knew precisely what change meant in this regard? I'm not so sure that is the case.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So you're saying armchair Joe public voter knew precisely what change meant in this regard? I'm not so sure that is the case.
I'm not sure what you're criticizing Obama of here. If far-left voters voted for him thinking 'change' meant far-left policies, how is that Obama's fault? Likewise, if people voted for Obama for reasons other than his speeches, policies, etc. how can he be held accountable for that? Again, I'm saying these things
-The majority of those that voted for Obama were in the so-called American 'moderate.'
-His policy positions were moderate, and he campaigned as such in terms of his politics and judgment.
-Thus far, his choices have been primarily in the American 'moderate', whether slightly to the right or to the left, thereby fulfilling his promise of a bipartisan cabinet.
I'm not sure what you're criticizing Obama of here. If far-left voters voted for him thinking 'change' meant far-left policies, how is that Obama's fault? Likewise, if people voted for Obama for reasons other than his speeches, policies, etc. how can he be held accountable for that? Again, I'm saying these things
-The majority of those that voted for Obama were in the so-called American 'moderate.'
-His policy positions were moderate, and he campaigned as such in terms of his politics and judgment.
-Thus far, his choices have been primarily in the American 'moderate', whether slightly to the right or to the left, thereby fulfilling his promise of a bipartisan cabinet.
Do you feel any of the above is false?
That's all good for people in the know, but the change thing rhetoric is just plain messed up. Maybe it should have been "bi-partisan change", or "moderate change".
The majority most likely voted BO just so McCain wouldn't win more than whatever the change thing meant to them, or what they actually perceived it to be...which can mean anything.
Change from this...change from that....it's all folly played out on people in a social engineering attack.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This case is closed and we are all now incredibly dumber for ever reading the dribble about this that RolandTD20Kdrummer copies and pastes here from right wing conspiracy websites.
Now, however, after critics have accused Mr. Obama of shifting positions on issues like the war in Iraq, the Bush administration’s program of wiretapping without warrants, gun control and the death penalty — all in what some view as a shameless play to a general election audience — Ms. Shade said she planned to switch back to the Green Party.
“I’m disgusted with him,” said Ms. Shade, an artist. “I can’t even listen to him anymore. He had such an opportunity, but all this ‘audacity of hope’ stuff, it’s blah, blah, blah. For all the independents he’s going to gain, he’s going to lose a lot of progressives.”
I seem to remember the campaign (and ESPECIALLY the liberal loud mouths on this board) ranting AT LENGTH about his "positions" on the War in Iraq, about how he was "different", how he "spoke out against the war from the beginning", and on and on and on ... as this lady says, "blah, blah, blah", for MONTHS ...
and now all you fuckers are saying,
"show me where Obama ever said anything about being different. He's just more of the same shit, and you knew it from day one."
bullshit.
The guy tried to fool people in to thinking his stance on the War in Iraq was FUNDAMENTALY different from the ruling regime, and the military industrial complex.
"There is a line between 'moving to the center' and stabbing your allies in the back out of fear of being criticized. And, of late, he's been doing a lot of unnecessary stabbing, betraying his claims of being a new kind of politician," said Markos Moulitsas, leader of the Daily Kos Web site, the bible of the liberal netroots community.
"Not that I ever bought it, but Obama is now clearly not looking much different than every other Democratic politician who has ever turned his or her back on the base in order to prove centrist bona fides," Moulitsas told his millions of readers last week.
Again,
do you really believe that he wasn't misrepresented in the primaries as something he clearly no longer is?
or what?
The biggest complaint from the party's grassroots activists concerned Obama's support for a Bush-backed bill to give legal immunity to telecommunication companies helping the government intercept terrorist calls and e-mails.
Complaints were coming into Obama's Web site so heavily last week that he personally went online to explain his new position. He said that telecommunications surveillance was "a vital counterterrorism tool ... to keep the American people safe."
WHAT?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This case is closed and we are all now incredibly dumber for ever reading the dribble about this that RolandTD20Kdrummer copies and pastes here from right wing conspiracy websites.
Barbara and David have surfed around and spoken the very laws of the universe itself...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Perhaps they didn't respond because it was a laughable case and they figured it would be tossed out without them having to bother fighting it. And maybe it's a matter of principle... them just being offended that this is even being requested... for the first time in American history and not wanting to even give such an attention-grabbing jackass the satisfaction of acknowledging him.
I can understand that, I'd probably feel the same way, yet I'm sure mt attorney would advise me to release the document right away to avoid futher complications, especially if I'm the president-elect.
Obama released his Certificate of Live Birth, which Hawaii has called legit. They also say they have the long form on file. He has provided everything any other candidate has ever had to provide. I'm not saying racism specifically here, but why the extra scrutiny over Obama?
What else is different?
What do you mean extra scutiny? What exactly makes you think people would react differently if it were any other candidate?
Barbara and David have surfed around and spoken the very laws of the universe itself...
obamacrimes.com? Are YOU serious?
lol, just because the site owers are personally liberaly leaning, their information that they researched cannot be trusted! Oh no, the sky is falling, gloom and doom. Hahahaha. Disprove anything from the link I posted and then I'll continue in the nonsense of this thread topic.
lol, just because the site owers are personally liberaly leaning, their information that they researched cannot be trusted! Oh no, the sky is falling, gloom and doom. Hahahaha. Disprove anything from the link I posted and then I'll continue in the nonsense of this thread topic.
I already posted a link showing that Hawaii issues Certificates of Live Birth to people NOT BORN IN HAWAII.
Go back and read it.
That as much "disproves anything" you've posted from Snopes as is needed.
The truth is, NO ONE knows what Obama's vault copy says, except for his family, someone at Hawaii DOH, and him.
I still have NO clue WTF is true and false regarding Obama's birth,
but i do know it is really lame for him to not simply show his vault copy to the Supreme Court.
REALLY lame.
As a constitutional lawyer himself, he should understand the importance of this claim, and of disproving it.
Unless, of course, his intention is to deliberately cause a constitutions crisis.
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:cool: :(
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I already posted a link showing that Hawaii issues Certificates of Live Birth to people NOT BORN IN HAWAII.
Go back and read it.
That as much "disproves anything" you've posted from Snopes as is needed.
The truth is, NO ONE knows what Obama's vault copy says, except for his family, someone at Hawaii DOH, and him.
I still have NO clue WTF is true and false regarding Obama's birth,
but i do know it is really lame for him to not simply show his vault copy to the Supreme Court.
REALLY lame.
As a constitutional lawyer himself, he should understand the importance of this claim, and of disproving it.
Unless, of course, his intention is to deliberately cause a constitutions crisis.
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:cool: :(
"Applies to adopted children." Come on Driftin', I thought you were smarter than this. A certified copy from the state health department is just as valid.
and now all you fuckers are saying,
"show me where Obama ever said anything about being different. He's just more of the same shit, and you knew it from day one."
'All of you fuckers'.
Nice. One person makes a comment and then suddenly it's 'all of you fuckers.' Well, at least you are not backward in coming forward and letting out what you really think.
You and Roland are nothing but assholes. The mods let you get away with anything and everything. All day, everyday. It's a fucking joke. It's been going on for months and months. Anyone reacts in a bad way to your constant snide attacks and they are told 'don't take things too personally' or to 'chill out'.
Bullshit. I wouldn't associate with anyone in real life who spoke to me like that and i'm fucked if i'm gonna do it here.
"Applies to adopted children." Come on Driftin', I thought you were smarter than this. A certified copy from the state health department is just as valid.
the parentheticals were added by the blogger commenting on the law.
It wasn't in quotations.
I'm simply saying that it is "POSSIBLE" that he has a birth certificate as a foregin born child.
If you read, it says that children born outside of the United States may receive a Hawaii COLB if the parents claimed Hawaii as their primary residence for the previous year.
Thus Obama COULD be born in Kenya, and still receive a Hawaii COLB.
I am NOT saying he IS born in Kenya, i'm just saying it's POSSIBLE.
And as far as you, PJ_GURL, i don't know what to say.
We've had our moments of understanding, and then we have these here.
WTF do you want from me?
The Obama Lovers Camp has been wrecklessly devoted to a guy who has changed his spiel on fundamental "liberal" principles, and show no qualms over it.
You are getting bent over one silly generalization, that in the context of the larger discussion, is meaningless.
yeah, i said "all you fuckers", because, BY AND LARGE, the majority of Obama supporters on this board outright refuse to acknowledge that their man has said one thing at one time, and then gone 180 after the primaries.
Excuse me for calling a spade a spade.
:rolleyes:
I'll still read your posts, and i'm still going to reply when i feel like it.
Asshole or not.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Interesting. Replace super dumb guy with super smart guy, say change a zillion times, everyone feels vindicated, then reappoint all the same shitty people all over again, but people agree because the smart guy is in charge now.
Aside from the Sec. of Def. who is being kept temporarily for continuity's sake, which people from the Bush admin are being reappointed?
Aside from the Sec. of Def. who is being kept temporarily for continuity's sake, which people from the Bush admin are being reappointed?
Baba and Booey...for starters....man those guys are terrible.
Change from Bush was not the defining criteria was it?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the parentheticals were added by the blogger commenting on the law.
It wasn't in quotations.
I'm simply saying that it is "POSSIBLE" that he has a birth certificate as a foregin born child.
If you read, it says that children born outside of the United States may receive a Hawaii COLB if the parents claimed Hawaii as their primary residence for the previous year.
Thus Obama COULD be born in Kenya, and still receive a Hawaii COLB.
I am NOT saying he IS born in Kenya, i'm just saying it's POSSIBLE.
It has been claimed and proven by and to people much smarter than you and I, and they have been satisfied with the findings, that Obama was born in Hawaii. You are clearly hell bent on damning any and every move Obama makes including continuing this stupid conspiracy that Obama was born in Africa.
Yes. The original birth certificate will be sealed and a new birth certificate issued. The adopting parent or parents will be reflected on the birth certificate, just as though they had been the biological parents.
Adopted children born in Ohio or a foreign country, receive their new birth certificate from the Bureau of Vital Statistics.
The address of the Bureau of Vital Statistics is:
Bureau of Vital Statistics
Ohio Department of Health
35 E. Chestnut St., 6th Floor
P.O. Box 15098
Columbus, OH 43215-0098
lol, just because the site owers are personally liberaly leaning, their information that they researched cannot be trusted! Oh no, the sky is falling, gloom and doom. Hahahaha. Disprove anything from the link I posted and then I'll continue in the nonsense of this thread topic.
Don't forget you just quoted snopes as law. That's pretty entertaining in and of itself.
Is Snopes a dedicated politics only website...hmm nope. Left right? huh?
It's a lawsuit, plain and simple.
Makes some people see various shades of red...it's pretty funny actually.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It was as I understood it. I'm sorry you pinned such messianic hopes on the man and that you've been disappointed.
I could see through the rhetoric before the campaign even started. I never really did "put all the chips" so to speak on him in the first place, as I realize what presidents are, and ultimately can do in the long run given their conditions of operation. Money talks. Change comes from the bottom up is what I've come to realize about 10 years ago.
Which leads me to ponder if Merriam Webster will reevaluate their entry for change...hehe
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What do you mean extra scutiny? What exactly makes you think people would react differently if it were any other candidate?
These people are demanding that Obama provide more proof than any other presidential candidate or president elect has had to provide in the past. Therefore, extra scrutiny. I think people are reacting differently because they are reacting differently. Like I said, it's not racism specifically (though it is for some), but more of a generalized fear of the "other," which they consider Obama to be a part of.
I say don't bow down to these incompetent lawyers, chronic litigants, embittered former rivals, and at least one anti-Semite. Even to do something as simple as releasing the long form certificate would give legitimacy to their claims. Unless a higher court of law requires it, don't give them anything. Let them twist. They deserve to have their little political mystery movie. Let the suspense tickle their minds until they eventually lose interest and move on to something else.
These people are demanding that Obama provide more proof than any other presidential candidate or president elect has had to provide in the past. Therefore, extra scrutiny. I think people are reacting differently because they are reacting differently. Like I said, it's not racism specifically (though it is for some), but more of a generalized fear of the "other," which they consider Obama to be a part of.
I say don't bow down to these incompetent lawyers, chronic litigants, embittered former rivals, and at least one anti-Semite. Even to do something as simple as releasing the long form certificate would give legitimacy to their claims. Unless a higher court of law requires it, don't give them anything. Let them twist. They deserve to have their little political mystery movie. Let the suspense tickle their minds until they eventually lose interest and move on to something else.
How hard is it to make a simple statement of response?
I imagine that takes years of lawyers swarming around a typewriter with sticks and rocks grunting with quizzical expressions?
But it's the principle. Question not the unquestionable almighty.
How bout a high we already have shown proof...the end. So why the Dec 1st deadline thing?
Just weird..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Don't forget you just quoted snopes as law. That's pretty entertaining in and of itself.
Is Snopes a dedicated politics only website...hmm nope. Left right? huh?
It's a lawsuit, plain and simple.
Makes some people see various shades of red...it's pretty funny actually.
I didn't quote anything as "law!" Laughs dude. Get your head out of your ass. This birth certificate conspiracy theory is as stupid as the ones who said GW caused 9/11. And that the building was really exploded with dynamite instead of from the jet airliner smashing into the side of it.
Obama is really an African Muslim, run for your lives, the sky is falling, we've all been duped. He's a terrorist and he pals around with terrorist. He is putting together a bipartisan cabinet, I told you he was an African Muslim terrorist!!! Doom and gloom!!!
How hard is it to make a simple statement of response?
I imagine that takes years of lawyers swarming around a typewriter with sticks and rocks grunting with quizzical expressions?
But it's the principle. Question not the unquestionable almighty.
How bout a high we already have shown proof...the end. So why the Dec 1st deadline thing?
Just weird..
Maybe because it is all extremely frivolous and that they have already been satisfied with the legal copy provided by the HI State Health Department.
Show me proof from the courts that said he had to provide his original vaulted copy of his birth certificate by 12/1.
Also, can anyone show any proof at all of his birth in Africa? And the premeditative subsequent cover up knowing the infant would one day illegally run for president of the US?
Not the same "they," but there were questions. There's no dispute that McCain actually was born outside the U.S. The question was was he born on the military base or in a hospital in Panama? The question was rendered "moot," I believe, when it was declared that since both his parents were U.S. citizens, then he is a natural born U.S. citizen. That "offspring of a U.S. citizen" thing, for some reason, isn't enough where Obama is concerned.
I didn't quote anything as "law!" Laughs dude. Get your head out of your ass. This birth certificate conspiracy theory is as stupid as the ones who said GW caused 9/11. And that the building was really exploded with dynamite instead of from the jet airliner smashing into the side of it.
Obama is really an African Muslim, run for your lives, the sky is falling, we've all been duped. He's a terrorist and he pals around with terrorist. He is putting together a bipartisan cabinet, I told you he was an African Muslim terrorist!!! Doom and gloom!!!
Maybe because it is all extremely frivolous and that they have already been satisfied with the legal copy provided by the HI State Health Department.
Show me proof from the courts that said he had to provide his original vaulted copy of his birth certificate by 12/1.
Also, can anyone show any proof at all of his birth in Africa? And the premeditative subsequent cover up knowing the infant would one day illegally run for president of the US?
There is a deadline for a Dec 1st response. One would think they would at least say something either way.
It seems the ignore route is their strategy.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Well, some of those are more legitimate criticisms. Although I personally wasn't under the impression that Obama's "change" approach to Washington meant appointing people who had never stepped foot in Washington before, but still, there's no doubt that many of the people on his team have thick resumes, and with thick resumes come controversy. I must say, though, that I'm a little suprised by the 'hawks' comment. These are mostly centrist foreign policy people when it comes to the broad sprectrum of American political thought. They are hawks if you use the progressive movement of the nation as your starting point, but to do that the progressives would not be progressive; they'd be moderates. So you knew he was a centrist, and he is therefore appointing centrist people. I guess I fail to see how that is surprising. If he fails to bring troops home from Iraq within his first term, we'll have something to talk about. If he does nothing to curb special interests in Washington, we'll have something to talk about. But I keep asking Roland to show me where Obama claimed to be or campaigned for a far-left-wing ideology. Maybe something will have shown up by the time I post this, but I haven't seen anything yet. I think some on the far left will be upset to find Obama building bridges between the left and right, rather than the Democrats and the far left, but Obama never claimed or campaigned to be interested in doing the latter work.
So you're saying armchair Joe public voter knew precisely what change meant in this regard? I'm not so sure that is the case.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I'm not sure what you're criticizing Obama of here. If far-left voters voted for him thinking 'change' meant far-left policies, how is that Obama's fault? Likewise, if people voted for Obama for reasons other than his speeches, policies, etc. how can he be held accountable for that? Again, I'm saying these things
-The majority of those that voted for Obama were in the so-called American 'moderate.'
-His policy positions were moderate, and he campaigned as such in terms of his politics and judgment.
-Thus far, his choices have been primarily in the American 'moderate', whether slightly to the right or to the left, thereby fulfilling his promise of a bipartisan cabinet.
Do you feel any of the above is false?
That's all good for people in the know, but the change thing rhetoric is just plain messed up. Maybe it should have been "bi-partisan change", or "moderate change".
The majority most likely voted BO just so McCain wouldn't win more than whatever the change thing meant to them, or what they actually perceived it to be...which can mean anything.
Change from this...change from that....it's all folly played out on people in a social engineering attack.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Next topic...
Do you feel any of these criticisms from the "far left" are false? As reported by the New York Times, not Alex Jones, FYI
I seem to remember the campaign (and ESPECIALLY the liberal loud mouths on this board) ranting AT LENGTH about his "positions" on the War in Iraq, about how he was "different", how he "spoke out against the war from the beginning", and on and on and on ... as this lady says, "blah, blah, blah", for MONTHS ...
and now all you fuckers are saying,
"show me where Obama ever said anything about being different. He's just more of the same shit, and you knew it from day one."
bullshit.
The guy tried to fool people in to thinking his stance on the War in Iraq was FUNDAMENTALY different from the ruling regime, and the military industrial complex.
Here is more of the same criticism from a "lesser" source -- Obama' Flip-Flops Anger the Liberal Base
Again,
do you really believe that he wasn't misrepresented in the primaries as something he clearly no longer is?
or what?
WHAT?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Snopes? lol...do you know who Snopes really is?
Barbara and David have surfed around and spoken the very laws of the universe itself...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I can understand that, I'd probably feel the same way, yet I'm sure mt attorney would advise me to release the document right away to avoid futher complications, especially if I'm the president-elect.
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What do you mean extra scutiny? What exactly makes you think people would react differently if it were any other candidate?
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lol, just because the site owers are personally liberaly leaning, their information that they researched cannot be trusted! Oh no, the sky is falling, gloom and doom. Hahahaha. Disprove anything from the link I posted and then I'll continue in the nonsense of this thread topic.
I already posted a link showing that Hawaii issues Certificates of Live Birth to people NOT BORN IN HAWAII.
Go back and read it.
That as much "disproves anything" you've posted from Snopes as is needed.
The truth is, NO ONE knows what Obama's vault copy says, except for his family, someone at Hawaii DOH, and him.
I still have NO clue WTF is true and false regarding Obama's birth,
but i do know it is really lame for him to not simply show his vault copy to the Supreme Court.
REALLY lame.
As a constitutional lawyer himself, he should understand the importance of this claim, and of disproving it.
Unless, of course, his intention is to deliberately cause a constitutions crisis.
:eek:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Has anyone found an image that wasn't manipulted from someone FORIEGN born that has a certified copy of A STATE OF HAWAII birth certificate?
Like to compare side by side.
Until then SHUT THE FUCK UP already.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Nice. One person makes a comment and then suddenly it's 'all of you fuckers.' Well, at least you are not backward in coming forward and letting out what you really think.
You and Roland are nothing but assholes. The mods let you get away with anything and everything. All day, everyday. It's a fucking joke. It's been going on for months and months. Anyone reacts in a bad way to your constant snide attacks and they are told 'don't take things too personally' or to 'chill out'.
Bullshit. I wouldn't associate with anyone in real life who spoke to me like that and i'm fucked if i'm gonna do it here.
Assholes.
the parentheticals were added by the blogger commenting on the law.
It wasn't in quotations.
I'm simply saying that it is "POSSIBLE" that he has a birth certificate as a foregin born child.
If you read, it says that children born outside of the United States may receive a Hawaii COLB if the parents claimed Hawaii as their primary residence for the previous year.
Thus Obama COULD be born in Kenya, and still receive a Hawaii COLB.
I am NOT saying he IS born in Kenya, i'm just saying it's POSSIBLE.
And as far as you, PJ_GURL, i don't know what to say.
We've had our moments of understanding, and then we have these here.
WTF do you want from me?
The Obama Lovers Camp has been wrecklessly devoted to a guy who has changed his spiel on fundamental "liberal" principles, and show no qualms over it.
You are getting bent over one silly generalization, that in the context of the larger discussion, is meaningless.
yeah, i said "all you fuckers", because, BY AND LARGE, the majority of Obama supporters on this board outright refuse to acknowledge that their man has said one thing at one time, and then gone 180 after the primaries.
Excuse me for calling a spade a spade.
:rolleyes:
I'll still read your posts, and i'm still going to reply when i feel like it.
Asshole or not.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Aside from the Sec. of Def. who is being kept temporarily for continuity's sake, which people from the Bush admin are being reappointed?
It's a change from the Bush admin.
Baba and Booey...for starters....man those guys are terrible.
Change from Bush was not the defining criteria was it?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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It was as I understood it. I'm sorry you pinned such messianic hopes on the man and that you've been disappointed.
Plus, many states have very similar laws with regard to birth certificates. For example, Ohio: http://www.probate.co.stark.oh.us/adoptions.html
Don't forget you just quoted snopes as law. That's pretty entertaining in and of itself.
Is Snopes a dedicated politics only website...hmm nope. Left right? huh?
It's a lawsuit, plain and simple.
Makes some people see various shades of red...it's pretty funny actually.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I could see through the rhetoric before the campaign even started. I never really did "put all the chips" so to speak on him in the first place, as I realize what presidents are, and ultimately can do in the long run given their conditions of operation. Money talks. Change comes from the bottom up is what I've come to realize about 10 years ago.
Which leads me to ponder if Merriam Webster will reevaluate their entry for change...hehe
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I say don't bow down to these incompetent lawyers, chronic litigants, embittered former rivals, and at least one anti-Semite. Even to do something as simple as releasing the long form certificate would give legitimacy to their claims. Unless a higher court of law requires it, don't give them anything. Let them twist. They deserve to have their little political mystery movie. Let the suspense tickle their minds until they eventually lose interest and move on to something else.
Didn't they demand the same from McCain?
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I imagine that takes years of lawyers swarming around a typewriter with sticks and rocks grunting with quizzical expressions?
But it's the principle. Question not the unquestionable almighty.
How bout a high we already have shown proof...the end. So why the Dec 1st deadline thing?
Just weird..
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Obama is really an African Muslim, run for your lives, the sky is falling, we've all been duped. He's a terrorist and he pals around with terrorist. He is putting together a bipartisan cabinet, I told you he was an African Muslim terrorist!!! Doom and gloom!!!
What a fucking joke.
Show me proof from the courts that said he had to provide his original vaulted copy of his birth certificate by 12/1.
Also, can anyone show any proof at all of his birth in Africa? And the premeditative subsequent cover up knowing the infant would one day illegally run for president of the US?
Is that... is that... a horse laughing?
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There is a deadline for a Dec 1st response. One would think they would at least say something either way.
It seems the ignore route is their strategy.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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