Ok so then you do admit to not knowing about Indonesia but following along with the status quo based on what you believe to be true (that's blind partisanship by default which I've pointed out twice now). Your only valid argument with me is that I did not know all the details of the case...either did you, but it's my fault for not knowing and understanding everything from top to bottom to begin with.
Man...it's like pulling teeth just to get you to see the simple reality of your actions, and why I said what I said at the time (blind partisanship...which it is). You on the other hand have had a rather colorful array of derogatory terms to say about me to the point of putting words in my mouth over and over again, and even making stuff up (Kenya).
your mind is so far removed from the logistical and factual aspects of this discussion, that it's pointless to continue.
oh my fucking god. You went from forged birth certificates to duel Indonesian citizenship. NO, I do not blame you for not knowing all the facts. This is about two topics which you keep putting out there. i will not apologize for reading about them and quickly coming to an opinion. i will not apologize if that opinion happens to be the popular one. i will not change or compromise my morals and values because they are in line with other people's. Dude, once and for all - the two topics of discussion are the possible forged birth certificate from HI (which implies as the claim goes that he was born in Kenya and not in HI as he claims and his birth certificate states) and the possibility of Obama giving up his US citizenship when he was 5 years old.
On the Forged birth certificate I have stated, there is no reason at all to believe otherwise and i am satisfied with the finding of the Hawaii Department of Health. I have asked you point blank for and you have had nothing to provide, reasoning to believe Obama or the state of HI is lying about his birth certificate. Because this is a discussion right? You should have to answer questions back if asked of you if you are to hold up your end of the discussion. You claim that this is about the lawsuit and i have said that just because there is a lawsuit does not mean it hold any merit whatsoever.
On the duel Indonesian citizen ship when he was 5 years old, I have pointed out to you that even if that is the case, US law still recognizes him as a Natural US Citizen. Then i asked you again what you as a Canadian have a problem with about that. And again, you failed to ever answer.
You can claim i am the status quo till you are blue in the face - my opinion are my opinions and you cannot prove otherwise.
oh my fucking god. You went from forged birth certificates to duel Indonesian citizenship. NO, I do not blame you for not knowing all the facts. This is about two topics which you keep putting out there. i will not apologize for reading about them and quickly coming to an opinion. i will not apologize if that opinion happens to be the popular one. i will not change or compromise my morals and values because they are in line with other people's. Dude, once and for all - the two topics of discussion are the possible forged birth certificate from HI (which implies as the claim goes that he was born in Kenya and not in HI as he claims and his birth certificate states) and the possibility of Obama giving up his US citizenship when he was 5 years old.
On the Forged birth certificate I have stated, there is no reason at all to believe otherwise and i am satisfied with the finding of the Hawaii Department of Health. I have asked you point blank for and you have had nothing to provide, reasoning to believe Obama or the state of HI is lying about his birth certificate. Because this is a discussion right? You should have to answer questions back if asked of you if you are to hold up your end of the discussion. You claim that this is about the lawsuit and i have said that just because there is a lawsuit does not mean it hold any merit whatsoever.
On the duel Indonesian citizen ship when he was 5 years old, I have pointed out to you that even if that is the case, US law still recognizes him as a Natural US Citizen. Then i asked you again what you as a Canadian have a problem with about that. And again, you failed to ever answer.
You can claim i am the status quo till you are blue in the face - my opinion are my opinions and you cannot prove otherwise.
That's a really long way to spell blind partisanship...holy shit...and bolded even
Again what is my crime? Asking the question what if. Wow that's serious. You got any more derogatory terms to call me, outright lies, and worlds to put in my mouth?
...and this thread, which started out light hearted, has now become an incoherent mess of hatred and animosity through your contributions.
It's my sheer idiocy for entertaining it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
That's a really long way to spell blind partisanship...holy shit...and bolded even
Again what is my crime? Asking the question what if. Wow that's serious. You got any more derogatory terms to call me, outright lies, and worlds to put in my mouth?
...and this thread, which started out light hearted, has now become an incoherent mess of hatred and animosity through your contributions.
It's my sheer idiocy for entertaining it.
Your "crime" is NEVER answering any of my questions to you regarding both topics. I mean not a single one. You didn't even pretend to try to answer anything that anyone asked you about these topics.
How dare you trivialize my standpoint on these ridiculous claims you have offered up for discussion. Do I agree with a mostly liberal agenda? Yea I do. Did I get there by analyzing the issues and realizing which side holds more closely my values and morals? You better believe it. Do I agree with and vote down party lines just because of their party affiliation? Never have yet in 36 years. Do I agree with everything the Democrats spew, not even kind of.
Now, how about you answer some of the things that i have asked you. Or, are you going to continue to completely ignore them as you have been doing all day?
So, back on the topic, how about you answer my questions and stop dodging them? What a concept that would be for you to adopt.
From what I've seen of these "cases," they're padded in such a way that it doesn't matter what Obama's long form certificate says. They already "pre-disbelieve" the information on it. There's really nothing Obama can do to change these people's prejudices and distrust. In my opinion, the best thing he can do is what he did. Do only what every other presidential contender has done in the past and ignore the rest. Let these people twist in the wind. Anything else lends credibility to their claims.
I really don't see how releasing the long form certificate would lend credibility to their claims, but I you certainly make a fair point.
Anyway, I see this thread has 10 or more pages now, so I'll stay out of this one. I think he could have handled it differently, which might have had different results.
I don't think he's an illegal citizen or whatever. I find the whole thing interesting...
Your "crime" is NEVER answering any of my questions to you regarding both topics. I mean not a single one. You didn't even pretend to try to answer anything that anyone asked you about these topics.
How dare you trivialize my standpoint on these ridiculous claims you have offered up for discussion. Do I agree with a mostly liberal agenda? Yea I do. Did I get there by analyzing the issues and realizing which side holds more closely my values and morals? You better believe it. Do I agree with and vote down party lines just because of their party affiliation? Never have yet in 36 years. Do I agree with everything the Democrats spew, not even kind of.
Now, how about you answer some of the things that i have asked you. Or, are you going to continue to completely ignore them as you have been doing all day?
So, back on the topic, how about you answer my questions and stop dodging them? What a concept that would be for you to adopt.
Dude, I'm not even going to get in a deeper conversation with you on baseless idiotic statements such as me being a panicky fearful Canadian and expand on the utter madness of incoherency you call debating. Why would anyone when the outstanding realities are simply glossed over at every level of explanation I can offer.
Two things stand. A) I reserve the right to ask "what if", and cannot (and should not) be faulted for it to the level I've been subjected to by some users in this thread. (thank you Raindog for the clarifications and cutting to the heart of the issue with minimal drama...well done..kudos)
Obama should have put this to rest long ago full circle, by specifically addressing the claims Berg is making in common sense terms point for point. A simple blurb on his website would go a long way. Maybe it's there... I dunno.
Anyhow I now leave this thread to all further stabs and jabs that will most likely inevitably pop up based on personal belief issues unresolved from past conversations.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
Conspiracy theorist do make for a good laugh though. [/url]
Almost as funny as the people expecting any sort of change from the status quo.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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On the Forged birth certificate I have stated, there is no reason at all to believe otherwise and i am satisfied with the finding of the Hawaii Department of Health. I have asked you point blank for and you have had nothing to provide, reasoning to believe Obama or the state of HI is lying about his birth certificate. Because this is a discussion right? You should have to answer questions back if asked of you if you are to hold up your end of the discussion. You claim that this is about the lawsuit and i have said that just because there is a lawsuit does not mean it hold any merit whatsoever.
On the duel Indonesian citizen ship when he was 5 years old, I have pointed out to you that even if that is the case, US law still recognizes him as a Natural US Citizen. Then i asked you again what you as a Canadian have a problem with about that. And again, you failed to ever answer.
You can claim i am the status quo till you are blue in the face - my opinion are my opinions and you cannot prove otherwise.
he hasnt answered one of mine in 2 years....
i kid
That's a really long way to spell blind partisanship...holy shit...and bolded even
Again what is my crime? Asking the question what if. Wow that's serious. You got any more derogatory terms to call me, outright lies, and worlds to put in my mouth?
...and this thread, which started out light hearted, has now become an incoherent mess of hatred and animosity through your contributions.
It's my sheer idiocy for entertaining it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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always the kidder
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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How dare you trivialize my standpoint on these ridiculous claims you have offered up for discussion. Do I agree with a mostly liberal agenda? Yea I do. Did I get there by analyzing the issues and realizing which side holds more closely my values and morals? You better believe it. Do I agree with and vote down party lines just because of their party affiliation? Never have yet in 36 years. Do I agree with everything the Democrats spew, not even kind of.
Now, how about you answer some of the things that i have asked you. Or, are you going to continue to completely ignore them as you have been doing all day?
So, back on the topic, how about you answer my questions and stop dodging them? What a concept that would be for you to adopt.
I really don't see how releasing the long form certificate would lend credibility to their claims, but I you certainly make a fair point.
Anyway, I see this thread has 10 or more pages now, so I'll stay out of this one. I think he could have handled it differently, which might have had different results.
I don't think he's an illegal citizen or whatever. I find the whole thing interesting...
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Dude, I'm not even going to get in a deeper conversation with you on baseless idiotic statements such as me being a panicky fearful Canadian and expand on the utter madness of incoherency you call debating. Why would anyone when the outstanding realities are simply glossed over at every level of explanation I can offer.
Two things stand. A) I reserve the right to ask "what if", and cannot (and should not) be faulted for it to the level I've been subjected to by some users in this thread. (thank you Raindog for the clarifications and cutting to the heart of the issue with minimal drama...well done..kudos)
Anyhow I now leave this thread to all further stabs and jabs that will most likely inevitably pop up based on personal belief issues unresolved from past conversations.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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I think Roland is a politician
and I'm not kidding!
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The court was hearing his argument today.
They will decide whether to hear the case or not at some point in the near future.
Hmm.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
This is getting rather funny/stupid. The guy was born in Hawaii. To even think that Hawaii would fake his birth certificate is preposterous.
I really do question the real motive behind this ridiculous witch hunt on Obama.
This is as stupid and as ridiculous as the wackos who think GW pulled an inside job and helped to blow up the World Trade Center on 9/11.
Conspiracy theorist do make for a good laugh though.
Almost as funny as the people expecting any sort of change from the status quo.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")