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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Is it me, or do people on this site stay angry at each other forever no matter what?

    :) Not all of us Roland. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    onelongsong wrote:
    someone told me the uk had several wind farms. is this true? wind energy is considered solar energy.


    yes we do...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Jeanie wrote:
    :) Not all of us Roland. :)

    Actually Yes!, I stand corrected Jeanie You are one of the few that I can absolutely agree with on this.

    How does that Fergal Sharkey song go from the mid 80's "a good heart these days is hard to find?"

    catchy tune...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Actually Yes!, I stand corrected Jeanie You are one of the few that I can absolutely agree with on this.

    How does that Fergal Sharkey song go from the mid 80's "a good heart these days is hard to find?"

    catchy tune...

    Very catchy tune! :) Always puts me in a good mood. :) Here Roland, enjoy. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6gEM7rRnkY
    NOPE!!!

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    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    onelongsong wrote:
    first of all; i didn't pass judgment on anyone and i didn't put anyone down. any idiot can look up the thread and see the number of views compared to the number of responses. then see that the responses were mostly "horses ass" responses. so all i did was point out facts.
    i was trying to point out how hypocritical people are and how priorities are messed up but any guilt you have is your own.
    people will talk all day about changing the world but they won't lift a finger to start that change. change always begins with education. and who better to ask than someone that lives with it? someone that lived with the ups and downs. someone who knows the shortcuts.
    the education was free for the asking. but nobody asked.
    i heard the A&E message board did as well as ag.com and a newspaper board came in third. i'm just home now from a week in the hospital but if you're interested; i'll find out all the details.
    as i see it; anyone who felt judged or put down is only ashamed because they now realize they'll talk a big talk but that's where their involvement ends. it's your world and you're the ones left to live in it. why should politicians change if the people won't? shouldn't the people be the ones setting the example they want the leaders to follow?
    onelongsong wrote:
    this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
    i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
    an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
    i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.

    if this is not a judgement i don't know what is.

    and again you called people idiots. it may not have been direct but the implication was there.
    like a lot of people i would relish being able to go off the grid but am unable in my current circumstance to achieve it. i know what's possible. but for me it's improbable right now. i do not have the means. but when i do, in my own good time, i will make the switch. until then however reading about it does me no good. it only shows me what i cant do right now. don't assume people's apparent indifference is the result of not caring. perhaps they are contributing in other ways.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    NMyTree wrote:
    But you can teach a liar and fool to dance. And dancing is your biggest talent. Dance away Freddy.

    just curious; is the fool the one that is completely independant and uses the top technology in a way that not only helps the earth; but frees him from the ever rising energy costs?
    btw; it's the same technology the power companies are using accross the world to generate FREE electricity to SELL to the others.

    in the june/july 2007 issue of mother earth news; there's a story about a family in a track home in mullica N. J. who converted to solar. right in the heart of suburbia.
    seems to me the fool is the one left behind.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    catefrances wrote:
    if this is not a judgement i don't know what is.

    and again you called people idiots. it may not have been direct but the implication was there.
    like a lot of people i would relish being able to go off the grid but am unable in my current circumstance to achieve it. i know what's possible. but for me it's improbable right now. i do not have the means. but when i do, in my own good time, i will make the switch. until then however reading about it does me no good. it only shows me what i cant do right now. don't assume people's apparent indifference is the result of not caring. perhaps they are contributing in other ways.

    i guess an idiot would find it offensive but if you're not an idiot; you'd know it didn't concern you.
    also; there are passive solar measures you can use even in apartments. like hot air collectors. you can build/buy one and slip it into a window without tools for the winter. so there's something everyone can do. i guess if the conversation went in an intelligent direction instead of a hateful one; we would have covered that already.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    onelongsong wrote:
    just curious; is the fool the one that is completely independant and uses the top technology in a way that not only helps the earth; but frees him from the ever rising energy costs?
    btw; it's the same technology the power companies are using accross the world to generate FREE electricity to SELL to the others.

    in the june/july 2007 issue of mother earth news; there's a story about a family in a track home in mullica N. J. who converted to solar. right in the heart of suburbia.
    seems to me the fool is the one left behind.

    I love the idea of solar energy, including wind. But, since I don't own property, I dont' have any way to implement it. It's been brought up at a meeting at work, and the owners like the idea, but it's a wait and see thing.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    gue_barium wrote:
    I love the idea of solar energy, including wind. But, since I don't own property, I dont' have any way to implement it. It's been brought up at a meeting at work, and the owners like the idea, but it's a wait and see thing.

    Do you guys have Green Energy there gue? Like you can sign up to the electrical company for energy supplied by green sources or they'll plant trees or something? Don't I sound well informed? :rolleyes: But it's something like that. I'll see if I can find a link later and post it for you. :)
    NOPE!!!

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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    solar clothes

    solar paint

    why can't billions of dollars of oil profits go toward ideas like these....
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    gue_barium wrote:
    I love the idea of solar energy, including wind. But, since I don't own property, I dont' have any way to implement it. It's been brought up at a meeting at work, and the owners like the idea, but it's a wait and see thing.

    in 1888 in cleveland ohio; charles f brush made the first wind turbine to generate electricity. so we've been waiting 119 years thus far. and it's estimated that 15 million homes have the necessary resources to make a wind installation cost effective. (mother earth news; june/july issue).
    i know everyone can't make the move to solar energy; but the beginning of everything starts with education. it also puzzles me when i go to the city and see buildings with towers on the roofs. why not install a wind generator or two? since 41 states now require "net metering"; excess power can be sold back to the power company at the same price you pay to buy from them. during times of high winds; your meter runs backwards.

    i'd also like to add; for those who can't seem to comprehend; that this was a marketing study by a solar manufacturer. i'm not sure where anyone got the idea this was a scientific study. people read in what they want i guess. the manufacturer learned where to concentrate their advertising so the end result was successful.

    i completely agree with you gue. not everyone can use solar power directly. but my argument is that if the people who can; would. the power companies can supply the rest with the wind farms and solar arrays they now opperate which then makes all our power solar generated and the need for coal fired or nuclear plants is gone. this in turn lowers prices to those not generating.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    cutback wrote:
    solar clothes

    solar paint

    why can't billions of dollars of oil profits go toward ideas like these....

    These are great cb! Thanks! :)

    I think the oil profiteering will come to a grinding halt soon enough and we'll see an increase in this kind of technology, but they have to find ways of milking the money from us for it first. That's usually how this stuff works now. If we can make it appealing to the filthy rich bastards that are out to line their pockets then we might stand a chance. :)
    NOPE!!!

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    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    hippiemom wrote:
    And you imagine that you know everyone's reasons for not asking?

    As several have pointed out, the thread title didn't refer to solar power in any way, so even if someone had come here specifically to discuss alternative energy sources, they'd have had no particular reason to click on your thread. The title was also demeaning to the reader. As I mentioned, I didn't read your thread because it didn't sound like anything I would be interested in.

    You also have to consider the reputation you've made for yourself on this board. Even if I HAD read the thread, I do not consider you to be a reliable source of information because of your posts in the past. On several occasions, you've presented yourself as some sort of legal expert and given completely false information, which leads me to doubt your claimed expertise in other areas as well.
    Exactly, and if that truly was an "experiment" he must have either never taken or badly failed a "Research and Methods" class...........I think it's funny how when some actual good questions are asked, there's no response.........Maybe we should conclude that everyone on the Pearl Jam Message Pit wants the world to explode
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    cutback wrote:
    solar clothes

    solar paint

    why can't billions of dollars of oil profits go toward ideas like these....

    I can't stop looking at those solar clothes. Amazing.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Exactly, and if that truly was an "experiment" he must have either never taken or badly failed a "Research and Methods" class...........I think it's funny how when some actual good questions are asked, there's no response.........Maybe we should conclude that everyone on the Pearl Jam Message Pit wants the world to explode

    some people never passed reading 101. in several posts (including one just above); it was explained that this was a marketing survey. and that it originated from a solar manufacturer. maybe it's just a comprehension problem. i can't imagine people being so
    as to not understand such a simple concept.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    i'm not giving up but i look forward to death. we do get some good debates started don't we?

    Yes we do. Here is one for you: "How much wood, would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

    I've heard it's 72 butt-cords of wood. But I haven't been able to confirm it. ;)
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yes we do. Here is one for you: "How much wood, would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

    I've heard it's 72 butt-cords of wood. But I haven't been able to confirm it. ;)

    it depends on how long the woodchuck lives. hahaha
    take care
  • Milestone
    Milestone Posts: 1,143
    onelongsong wrote:
    this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
    i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
    an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
    i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.


    good thing you aren't into generalizations.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cutback wrote:
    solar clothes

    solar paint

    why can't billions of dollars of oil profits go toward ideas like these....


    Cutback....pulling out the quality links as always.

    nice!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • who's_pearljam?
    who's_pearljam? Posts: 2,104
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Cutback....pulling out the quality links as always.

    nice!

    Those are great links!
    I wold try to contibute to this thread because I've been studying and working on getting solar into my city home. It IS doable, but I guess this isn't the thread to actually talk about solar.

    Meanwhile, all this needs is a little JAM on there and there you go!
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