It's entirely fair in a debate or a discussion to challenge what does not make sense. My sole purpose here has been to differentiate between opinion, and study, and in my opinion, it needed to be done. I treat onelongsong with respect as an equal-- I assume he's worthy of reasonable debate like all of us, and would not want to be pitied and patronized.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
there's a lot of good people here so i wouldn't include everyone. but i found most people here to only concern themselves with themselves.
hope you're not a god fearing man OSL cause you just passed judgement on people you don't even know without knowing the circumstances in which they live, but by how they interact on an anonymous message board. i understand with where you're at right now in your life you think you can afford such judgement or maybe you're acting out in frustration, i don't know. life sucks and i hope you truly find the peace you need. my thoughts are with you.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Did I miss it entirely, or did someone list prices for kits already?
50G's is great to spend but it will take like 10-20 years to get it back, and what if you move, and the new owner doesn't want to pay for it. So I suppose the average homeowner myself excluded would have to hire someone to uninstall everything.
It's just not that simple to say people are jerks, and don't care because they aren't doing it. It's prohibitively expensive, and does not suit a lot of people's lifestyles. Some people move around a lot, and a lot more rent.
Make it cheaper and people will flock to it. I run one in my car because it came with the car.
I can't say I'll have 10 years to wait for the savings to kick in...or to break even at this location.
If it was 10,000 I would, but $50,000 is a tad much for the average person to toss around and be considered careless for it. Especially in this particular.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.
I saw your post about solar energy and thought it was laughable. as is this thread and "experiment" you really dont get it. have you ever been to a city greater then 100,000 people? how about 5 million? I live in a 65 story highrise with 850 units. how should we use solar power?
I saw your post about solar energy and thought it was laughable. as is this thread and "experiment" you really dont get it. have you ever been to a city greater then 100,000 people? how about 5 million? I live in a 65 story highrise with 850 units. how should we use solar power?
You're the one that doesn't get it. He said he wasn't going to be here to see what you say or do about it. And I'd like to say that that is laughable but quite frankly it isn't. But then who knows? I'm quite sure there's more than a few of you who'll be happy to dance on his grave.
You're the one that doesn't get it. He said he wasn't going to be here to see what you say or do about it. And I'd like to say that that is laughable but quite frankly it isn't. But then who knows? I'm quite sure there's more than a few of you who'll be happy to dance on his grave.
what dont I get? he is coming on here and taking the moral high ground for using solar power and thinks the rest of us are "killing the earth" cuz we dont. yea im the clueless one
what dont I get? he is coming on here and taking the moral high ground for using solar power and thinks the rest of us are "killing the earth" cuz we dont. yea im the clueless one
The Experiment
this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.
I think there's a little backstage coaxing from the oil crowd to keep us buying their crack.
To put it mildly.
Why aren't we seeing new innovative companies pushing solar kit packages on TV etc...?
Damn good question I think.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I don't mean to be rude, but I think your research methods are flawed.
Can you confirm that people here are not just exhausted of debates on the environment. Perhaps some of us are used to the debate and avoid posting in order to avoid the imminent confrontation that is common.
Maybe some of us were on vacation, taking a break, missed the thread, or something else caught our eyes.
It doesn't seem definitive.
I think you will have more accurate results if you just consider those that responded to the thread. There is no way of knowing why people didn't post on the thread.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I myself am not a home owner.
One day perhaps I will purchase my own place.
Perhaps all newly erected housing should be built solar/GREEN.
This would not be a bad idea.
Doing so I am sure would lower the cost of the solar/GREEN construction.
regardless, this solar energy is bullshit. its not always sunny and um, well what about at night?
That's another very important aspect. The folks in the UK are pretty much overcast all the time. So it's a bust for them.
Places like California, Mexico etc that get 300 days of full sun a year it's a pretty good deal. For the rest who get a 50/50 split of sunny days it's a lack lustre scenarion unless they double the panel coverage and drop like 80 large with hopes of seeing it come back one day.
Once the prices comes down, I think it will take off.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I didn't even see the thread in question. I was very interested in solar when I lived where there was sun, however, where I live now there isn't enough to warrant looking in to it.
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
I didn't even see the thread in question. I was very interested in solar when I lived where there was sun, however, where I live now there isn't enough to warrant looking in to it.
Yea I am here too, not in your town living but close enough.
It rains quite a lot here, what, probably 7 or 8 months of decent
long periods of solid rain here on the coastal region.
Like today it is gray out, rained last night a bit.
Today it might not even be above 60 degrees.
But can solar panels absorb filtered gray sun light ?
This thread needs more facts, figures, and dollar signs
time to fire up the Google...however I'm enjoying some Ice cream at the moment so it's going to be a bit...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.
I didn't even know there was a thread about solar power. I had to search for it just now, only to find it was entitled "And You Still Fall For It." How is anyone supposed to know what the topic of that thread is? I figured it was a thread about how you are in some way better, smarter, more informed than the rest of us ... in other words, a thread I wasn't interested in reading.
It's also possible that people didn't ask questions because they don't consider you to be a reliable source of information.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
many have noticed my DON'T GIVE A **** attitude the last few weeks. i've been given a limited time to live so i won't be here. but i do care about what kind of world my grandchidren will have to live in.
I am truly sorry to hear that, onelongsong :(
I too have been given a limited time to live, but I'm not taking them at their word. Not knowing the details of your situation, there isn't much I can say other than that I will hope for the best for you.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I was going to but it's not my research. OLS post a thread titled "would you switch to solar power to save the environment?" or something like that...
Nothing personal, but if I was the guy publishing the data collected I would exclude the findings here, and the last thread purely from scientific approach...this one is limited, and the other is not impartial enough (i.e. neutral, unbiased).
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I too have been given a limited time to live, but I'm not taking them at their word.
Laura that mentality is excellent. I like surrounding myself with people that think this way.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yea I am here too, not in your town living but close enough.
It rains quite a lot here, what, probably 7 or 8 months of decent
long periods of solid rain here on the coastal region.
Like today it is gray out, rained last night a bit.
Today it might not even be above 60 degrees.
But can solar panels absorb filtered gray sun light ?
I don't know, but I'm sure some in this area could use it. It's just our house is under "lots" of doug firs. Even when it is sunny we get none on our house. I love it though, keeps our house very temperate. We're always at least 10 degrees cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. If you could get energy from moss we'd be in!
"I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
Good luck with everything, positivity is the key to a healthy outlook on life.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Good luck with everything, positivity is the key to a healthy outlook on life.
Ooops. I broke my own cardinal rule... I edited my post above. If you could delete the same I would be grateful. It's my way of wiping it entirely from existence.
hard to explain, but it works for me.
Thanks and thanks!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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hope you're not a god fearing man OSL cause you just passed judgement on people you don't even know without knowing the circumstances in which they live, but by how they interact on an anonymous message board. i understand with where you're at right now in your life you think you can afford such judgement or maybe you're acting out in frustration, i don't know. life sucks and i hope you truly find the peace you need. my thoughts are with you.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
50G's is great to spend but it will take like 10-20 years to get it back, and what if you move, and the new owner doesn't want to pay for it. So I suppose the average homeowner myself excluded would have to hire someone to uninstall everything.
It's just not that simple to say people are jerks, and don't care because they aren't doing it. It's prohibitively expensive, and does not suit a lot of people's lifestyles. Some people move around a lot, and a lot more rent.
Make it cheaper and people will flock to it. I run one in my car because it came with the car.
I can't say I'll have 10 years to wait for the savings to kick in...or to break even at this location.
If it was 10,000 I would, but $50,000 is a tad much for the average person to toss around and be considered careless for it. Especially in this particular.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I saw your post about solar energy and thought it was laughable. as is this thread and "experiment" you really dont get it. have you ever been to a city greater then 100,000 people? how about 5 million? I live in a 65 story highrise with 850 units. how should we use solar power?
You're the one that doesn't get it. He said he wasn't going to be here to see what you say or do about it. And I'd like to say that that is laughable but quite frankly it isn't. But then who knows? I'm quite sure there's more than a few of you who'll be happy to dance on his grave.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
perhaps the blame lies with the companies and producers that continue to keep this technology expensive, unaffordable, and away from mass consumption
maybe you should think of it that way my friend
what dont I get? he is coming on here and taking the moral high ground for using solar power and thinks the rest of us are "killing the earth" cuz we dont. yea im the clueless one
I dont think its their fault either. well to a point where they are doing it on purpose.
I believe there are many people trying to innovate a way for average people (everyone) to use alternative resources. its just not here yet.
You're serious? :rolleyes:
I'm done. Good luck with that.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
what am I missing???
this is what he said
The Experiment
this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.
To put it mildly.
Why aren't we seeing new innovative companies pushing solar kit packages on TV etc...?
Damn good question I think.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Can you confirm that people here are not just exhausted of debates on the environment. Perhaps some of us are used to the debate and avoid posting in order to avoid the imminent confrontation that is common.
Maybe some of us were on vacation, taking a break, missed the thread, or something else caught our eyes.
It doesn't seem definitive.
I think you will have more accurate results if you just consider those that responded to the thread. There is no way of knowing why people didn't post on the thread.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
because its not readily avaliable. and "solar kit packages" do not fill our electricity needs.
regardless, this solar energy is bullshit. its not always sunny and um, well what about at night?
One day perhaps I will purchase my own place.
Perhaps all newly erected housing should be built solar/GREEN.
This would not be a bad idea.
Doing so I am sure would lower the cost of the solar/GREEN construction.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
the energy is stored in some kinda bad-ass electrical thingy im sure.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
That's another very important aspect. The folks in the UK are pretty much overcast all the time. So it's a bust for them.
Places like California, Mexico etc that get 300 days of full sun a year it's a pretty good deal. For the rest who get a 50/50 split of sunny days it's a lack lustre scenarion unless they double the panel coverage and drop like 80 large with hopes of seeing it come back one day.
Once the prices comes down, I think it will take off.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Yea I am here too, not in your town living but close enough.
It rains quite a lot here, what, probably 7 or 8 months of decent
long periods of solid rain here on the coastal region.
Like today it is gray out, rained last night a bit.
Today it might not even be above 60 degrees.
But can solar panels absorb filtered gray sun light ?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
time to fire up the Google...however I'm enjoying some Ice cream at the moment so it's going to be a bit...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's also possible that people didn't ask questions because they don't consider you to be a reliable source of information.
I too have been given a limited time to live, but I'm not taking them at their word. Not knowing the details of your situation, there isn't much I can say other than that I will hope for the best for you.
Nothing personal, but if I was the guy publishing the data collected I would exclude the findings here, and the last thread purely from scientific approach...this one is limited, and the other is not impartial enough (i.e. neutral, unbiased).
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You said it.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Laura that mentality is excellent. I like surrounding myself with people that think this way.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
What other boards were part of this experiment?
Assuming, of course, that your thread is legit.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ooops. I broke my own cardinal rule... I edited my post above. If you could delete the same I would be grateful. It's my way of wiping it entirely from existence.
hard to explain, but it works for me.
Thanks and thanks!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")