Texas Requires Cancer Shots For Girls
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Blanche wrote:While the vaccination program is laudable for prevention purposes, the article doesn't say if there are any sex ed programs for the kids regarding STDs and prevention of disease or pregnancy, so the girls could understand why they are receiving these vaccinations (with their parents' approval).
It seems the easiest solution nowadays is to give the kids a shot or a pill so the grownups won't be bothered with them for a while.
true.
plus it doesn't help it's sex,sex,sex everywhere all the time.we live in a modern day Babylon."In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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JamMastaE wrote:true.
plus it doesn't help it's sex,sex,sex everywhere all the time.we live in a modern day Babylon.
It does help. it helps prevent CANCER. Cancer KILLS people."When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."0 -
baraka wrote:I couldn't find where he discussed vaccinations. Can you tell me where to locate that in the article. Oh, and why should I take the word of a doctor? Didn't you state that doctors are paid off by big business?;)
Those cold medications are manufactured by evil pharmaceutical companies. If you're going to talk the talk....................you know the rest. As unscrupulous as those companies can be, do you concede that they do indeed manufacture drugs that are, indeed, useful, if not, life-depending for people?
yes,I'm not saying EVERYTHING is bad.but an educated mind knows there is a lot to be concerned with.Especially with this latest Bush FDA.my greatest concern is the massive corruption through out our government,it spills over into everything else.add that to the massive lobbying by big pharma and all the politicians with stocks in these companies.do you know what the "freedom health initiative" is?"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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prism wrote:but still if these vaccines prevent one child anywhere in this country from having to live through the shit that i have, it's certainly worthwhile.
if this vaccine can prevent one woman from getting cervical cancer, then it should be given to every little girl
Firstly, I'm not opposed to the vaccine. Secondly, my kids receive vaccines. I think people keep mixing up issues. The efficacy of vaccination is a completely different issue from mandatory, government enforced inoculation.
And the whole "if is saves just one life..." canard drives me batshit. If it saves just one drowning victim, we should have all swimming pools filled in. If it saves just one life, we should lower the speed limit to 20mph on interstates. If it saves just one life we should ban air travel."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
What a shame. This could have been an intelligent discussion about the merits of vaccinations, but to have an intelligent discussion requires that the people on both sides of the debate converse like adults. JamMasta, you can't come here and talk to smart, well-educated people as though they were idiots and expect to have your opinions taken seriously. You are not doing your cause any favors. I agree with some of what you say, particularly about the FDA (although I don't think we can pin this one on Bush, it was bad long before he came along), but your debate style doesn't encourage anyone to listen to you.
And will you PLEASE tell us who John Scudamore is? I googled it, and found an artist and a viscount from the 17th century. I'm thinking neither one is the right guy."Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 19630 -
JamMastaE wrote:yes,I'm not saying EVERYTHING is bad.but an educated mind knows there is a lot to be concerned with.Especially with this latest Bush FDA.my greatest concern is the massive corruption through out our government,it spills over into everything else.add that to the massive lobbying by big pharma and all the politicians with stocks in these companies.do you know what the "freedom health initiative" is?
There you go! Now we are making some progress. Now that you admit not ALL doctors & scientists are in the pockets of big business, I'm sure you can also concede that a lot of them are actually concerned about the health of the public. And the majority of them are in agreement that vaccinations are a good thing due to the scientific studies and findings. Now you can maybe take a look at the peer review studies with an open mind.
I'm not going to refute the idea that the pharmaceutical companies are not driven by money and corruption. But don't be opposed to a vaccination that might prevent cancer just because you don't like 'practice' of big business. Like I said earlier, that is an entirely different matter.
Oh, doesn't the freedom health initiative concern the disabled? Why do you bring it up?The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
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baraka wrote:
Oh, doesn't the freedom health initiative concern the disabled? Why do you bring it up?
President's Bogus Mental Health Screening Initiative Is a Thinly Veiled Scam to Boost Pharmaceutical Profits
The latest act of state-sponsored medical insanity has been announced by the Bush administration with their so-called New Freedom Commission on Mental Health that plans to conduct mental-health screening on all children and adults in the United States. As people are screened under this plan, they will of course be put on highly-profitable and extremely expensive psychotic drugs and anti-depressant drugs, which are manufactured by the very same companies that have donated heavily to the Bush administration and Bush re-election efforts.
This New Freedom Commission plan is based on the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), a medication treatment plan that also screened people for mental health problems and prescribed high-profit prescription drugs to them. But the Texas plan has come under great criticism. A whistle-blower named Allen Jones, who was an employee of the Pennsylvania office of the Inspector General, published a document revealing that medical leaders who controlled the medication plan in the state of Pennsylvania received payment from drug companies who stood to benefit from the mental health screening plan.
In response, Allen Jones was, of course, fired. Similarly, the Texas plan has been formulated by drug companies. Allen Jones described the joint effort as "a political/pharmaceutical alliance" that was "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive patented medications of questionable benefits and deadly side effects." So, at first glance, it certainly appears that this is no more than a good old boy strategy for boosting the profits of pharmaceutical companies through political influence -- it's the same old game.
Not surprisingly, an alarming number of the Bush administration's recent regulatory advances have been thinly veiled attempts to promote the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. The so-called Medicare drug discount cards were nothing more than a handout to pharmaceutical companies that created the illusion of discounts, where in reality people could buy drugs at much lower prices by simply shopping around on the internet. They could get them at lower prices still by buying them from Canada or other countries. Similarly, this mental health screening initiative is nothing more than a grand political scam designed to sell prescription drugs that benefit the pockets of companies who have supported the Bush election campaigns.
Just how much support has come from these companies? The Bush administration has very close financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who was appointed by Bush, served as the CEO of one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the United States. George Bush, Sr. was also a member of Eli Lilly's board of directors, and George Bush, Jr. appointed Eli Lilly's Chief Executive Officer to a seat on the Homeland Security Council. In what looks like nothing more than blatant political bribery, Eli Lilly made $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000. Four-fifths of that went to the Republican party and presidential candidate Bush. It is, in fact, the same company that started up the Texas project. And now, many members of the New Freedom Commission have also been found to have ties with pharmaceutical companies and have served on their advisory boards.
Under the Bush administration, the pharmaceutical industry has done extremely well in terms of boosting sales and generating profits. And it looks like the Bush administration is determined to continue the drugging of America, no matter what the cost to American taxpayers. They won't stop, it seems, until every American is dosed up on a dozen simultaneous prescriptions that generate tens of billions of dollars in profits for the pharmaceutical industry each year. Of course, to those who are familiar with the behavior of the Bush administration, none of this comes as much surprise. The Bush administration seems to be willing to engage in any sort of activity, no matter how lacking in ethics or how unfounded, in order to gain more power and enhance the financial position of its supporters. The Bush administration stands for war, for drugs, and for keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. And one of the easiest ways to keep the poor poor is to dose them on high-priced prescription drugs to the point where they can't think straight enough to vote with any measure of intelligence.
Similarly, war is a windfall for companies who manufacture bombs and weapons, and when there's war over oil, as we've seen in Iraq, it also serves the interest of the oil-producers and distributors. All of these industries have close ties to the Bush administration. War industries, big oil, and of course Big Pharma, and all of them are doing extremely well with George Bush in the White House. The problem is that none of these industries actually enhance the lives of human beings. In fact, all of them harm human beings. There's a lot of money changing hands these days, and a lot of it is strongly influenced by the Bush administration, but very little of it actually goes to enhance the quality of life for everyday people.
People don't need mandatory screening for mental health disorders. They don't need to be put on multiple prescription drugs that turn them into zombies and may, in fact, cause them to commit suicide or engage in violent acts. We don't need ten times as many weapons as we have right now, since we already have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, with enough firepower to destroy the planet a dozen times over. We don't need more bombs, more drugs and more government-mandated health initiatives that masquerade as good science while in reality only offer another financial trap that will push Americans even further into household debt and poverty.
As far as I can tell, the mental illness in this country lives in the White House. If there's any mandatory mental health screening that should be taking place, it should start with the officials running the Bush administration, and then continue on to take a look at the people running the FDA, and those in charge of the pharmaceutical companies. Because from all the available evidence, it appears to me that these people have lost their minds in a mad attempt to generate obscene profits regardless of the cost to human life, individual privacy, and human rights.
Above all, to call this new plan the "New Freedom Commission" is perhaps the ultimate insult to the intelligence of the American people. Beware of any big government mandate that has the word "freedom" in it, because chances are it's more about taking away your freedom than ensuring it. Forcing people to undergo mental health screening is not freedom. Dosing people up with prescription drugs that alter their brain chemistry and take away their normal healthy brain function is not freedom. In fact, it is chemical enslavement, and the perpetrators behind this diabolical plan are truly the enemies to freedom, democracy, and the ideals that America historically stands for. The next thing you know, they're going to be claiming that terrorists are causing mental health disorders in this country, and everybody needs to be screened for mental health disorders as defense against terrorism. Don't be surprised if you hear that initiative launched in the months ahead."In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata0 -
hippiemom wrote:What a shame. This could have been an intelligent discussion about the merits of vaccinations, but to have an intelligent discussion requires that the people on both sides of the debate converse like adults. JamMasta, you can't come here and talk to smart, well-educated people as though they were idiots and expect to have your opinions taken seriously. You are not doing your cause any favors. I agree with some of what you say, particularly about the FDA (although I don't think we can pin this one on Bush, it was bad long before he came along), but your debate style doesn't encourage anyone to listen to you.
And will you PLEASE tell us who John Scudamore is? I googled it, and found an artist and a viscount from the 17th century. I'm thinking neither one is the right guy.
maybe your not as intelligent as you give yourself credit for.
http://www.infowars.com/print/vaccines/upi.htm"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata0 -
JamMastaE wrote:President's Bogus Mental Health Screening Initiative Is a Thinly Veiled Scam to Boost Pharmaceutical Profits
The latest act of state-sponsored medical insanity has been announced by the Bush administration with their so-called New Freedom Commission on Mental Health that plans to conduct mental-health screening on all children and adults in the United States. As people are screened under this plan, they will of course be put on highly-profitable and extremely expensive psychotic drugs and anti-depressant drugs, which are manufactured by the very same companies that have donated heavily to the Bush administration and Bush re-election efforts.
This New Freedom Commission plan is based on the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), a medication treatment plan that also screened people for mental health problems and prescribed high-profit prescription drugs to them. But the Texas plan has come under great criticism. A whistle-blower named Allen Jones, who was an employee of the Pennsylvania office of the Inspector General, published a document revealing that medical leaders who controlled the medication plan in the state of Pennsylvania received payment from drug companies who stood to benefit from the mental health screening plan.
In response, Allen Jones was, of course, fired. Similarly, the Texas plan has been formulated by drug companies. Allen Jones described the joint effort as "a political/pharmaceutical alliance" that was "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive patented medications of questionable benefits and deadly side effects." So, at first glance, it certainly appears that this is no more than a good old boy strategy for boosting the profits of pharmaceutical companies through political influence -- it's the same old game.
Not surprisingly, an alarming number of the Bush administration's recent regulatory advances have been thinly veiled attempts to promote the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. The so-called Medicare drug discount cards were nothing more than a handout to pharmaceutical companies that created the illusion of discounts, where in reality people could buy drugs at much lower prices by simply shopping around on the internet. They could get them at lower prices still by buying them from Canada or other countries. Similarly, this mental health screening initiative is nothing more than a grand political scam designed to sell prescription drugs that benefit the pockets of companies who have supported the Bush election campaigns.
Just how much support has come from these companies? The Bush administration has very close financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who was appointed by Bush, served as the CEO of one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the United States. George Bush, Sr. was also a member of Eli Lilly's board of directors, and George Bush, Jr. appointed Eli Lilly's Chief Executive Officer to a seat on the Homeland Security Council. In what looks like nothing more than blatant political bribery, Eli Lilly made $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000. Four-fifths of that went to the Republican party and presidential candidate Bush. It is, in fact, the same company that started up the Texas project. And now, many members of the New Freedom Commission have also been found to have ties with pharmaceutical companies and have served on their advisory boards.
Under the Bush administration, the pharmaceutical industry has done extremely well in terms of boosting sales and generating profits. And it looks like the Bush administration is determined to continue the drugging of America, no matter what the cost to American taxpayers. They won't stop, it seems, until every American is dosed up on a dozen simultaneous prescriptions that generate tens of billions of dollars in profits for the pharmaceutical industry each year. Of course, to those who are familiar with the behavior of the Bush administration, none of this comes as much surprise. The Bush administration seems to be willing to engage in any sort of activity, no matter how lacking in ethics or how unfounded, in order to gain more power and enhance the financial position of its supporters. The Bush administration stands for war, for drugs, and for keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. And one of the easiest ways to keep the poor poor is to dose them on high-priced prescription drugs to the point where they can't think straight enough to vote with any measure of intelligence.
Similarly, war is a windfall for companies who manufacture bombs and weapons, and when there's war over oil, as we've seen in Iraq, it also serves the interest of the oil-producers and distributors. All of these industries have close ties to the Bush administration. War industries, big oil, and of course Big Pharma, and all of them are doing extremely well with George Bush in the White House. The problem is that none of these industries actually enhance the lives of human beings. In fact, all of them harm human beings. There's a lot of money changing hands these days, and a lot of it is strongly influenced by the Bush administration, but very little of it actually goes to enhance the quality of life for everyday people.
People don't need mandatory screening for mental health disorders. They don't need to be put on multiple prescription drugs that turn them into zombies and may, in fact, cause them to commit suicide or engage in violent acts. We don't need ten times as many weapons as we have right now, since we already have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, with enough firepower to destroy the planet a dozen times over. We don't need more bombs, more drugs and more government-mandated health initiatives that masquerade as good science while in reality only offer another financial trap that will push Americans even further into household debt and poverty.
As far as I can tell, the mental illness in this country lives in the White House. If there's any mandatory mental health screening that should be taking place, it should start with the officials running the Bush administration, and then continue on to take a look at the people running the FDA, and those in charge of the pharmaceutical companies. Because from all the available evidence, it appears to me that these people have lost their minds in a mad attempt to generate obscene profits regardless of the cost to human life, individual privacy, and human rights.
Above all, to call this new plan the "New Freedom Commission" is perhaps the ultimate insult to the intelligence of the American people. Beware of any big government mandate that has the word "freedom" in it, because chances are it's more about taking away your freedom than ensuring it. Forcing people to undergo mental health screening is not freedom. Dosing people up with prescription drugs that alter their brain chemistry and take away their normal healthy brain function is not freedom. In fact, it is chemical enslavement, and the perpetrators behind this diabolical plan are truly the enemies to freedom, democracy, and the ideals that America historically stands for. The next thing you know, they're going to be claiming that terrorists are causing mental health disorders in this country, and everybody needs to be screened for mental health disorders as defense against terrorism. Don't be surprised if you hear that initiative launched in the months ahead.
You copy & paste very well
http://www.newstarget.com/001688.html
The above link is to the article you failed to give credit.
Again, this discussion is about vaccinations, specifically the HPV vaccinations. If you want to debate this topic, start another thread. Again you have failed to answer the questions posed to you.The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein0 -
JamMastaE wrote:maybe your not as intelligent as you give yourself credit for.
http://www.infowars.com/print/vaccines/upi.htm"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 19630 -
ignorant fucking liberals......Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
JamMastaE wrote:maybe your not as intelligent as you give yourself credit for.
Are you kidding me? This projection has got to stop JamMastaE.JamMastaE wrote:
Again, please look into studies and articles that contain 'straight up' scientific findings and data instead of articles full of speculation and 'other people's opinions'. Go out and research the topic yourself, then make up your mind. Was that article even written by a healthcare professional? I saw it quoted an ambulance-chasing attorney. Nice.
Are you aware that MANY, if not ALL medical treatments and medications pose some risk? Like I said earlier, it would be short-sided to suggest there is any medication, etc that does not have some risk. Medicine is an interesting balancing act. Sometimes the treatment of one problem leads to other problems. There is a fine line between medicinal & toxic when meds are concerned.The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein0 -
I seem to have lost my aluminum foil hat..............JamMastaE, u have an extra one I can borrow?0
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PJPOWER wrote:I seem to have lost my aluminum foil hat..............JamMastaE, u have an extra one I can borrow?
yes along with an extra clue."In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
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cornnifer wrote:i'll admit that the school curriculuum may at times be in need of tweaking, especially in the areas of history and such, but, in all due respect, what a load of crap. You can't be serious with this. Can you? Please tell me this is sarcasm and you forgot the little rolling eyes smiley thingey. Please. i'm begging you to tell me that.
i'm scared. What i've gathered from some of the posts on this board the past few days is that, our children should be unvaccinated, kept of school and handed a daily supply of Pot and a dented soda pop can off which to smoke it. Thats just the kind of society we need to produce. A bunch of stoned, uneducated, unvaccinated creatures. That all sounds like a sci-fi channel nightmare.
This is the problem with the left as i see it (and i consider myself leftist). We are all trying to prove just how left we are and constantly trying to outleft the next guy and it is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous. Its like if you think mandatory schooling is a good thing, a twelve year old's parents should have to be notified before giving her an abortion and marijuanna usage needs to have some stiff enforceable regulations, they take away your liberal card and kick you out of the club. This is why we've lost two straight elections to a guy like Bush, guys. We better start exhibiting some common fucking sense.
What are you carrying on about?? Most liberals are for more funding for schools. How you came up with being against public schooling means we are trying to be so far left is beyond me. I would say it's closer to libertarian if anything. I'll think how I choose to think...I don't care if it comes up as right, left, diagonal or upside down. In fact, I don't know anyone who is trying to out left the next guy or whatever the hell you're talking about. That's your skewed perception, don't try pushing it on anyone else. Maybe you need to stop oversimplifying things just a tad and not worry about clubs or who is in them. You're righteous attitude is getting tired.If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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Here's a good article about vaccination concerns.
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/320/7229/240
The article contains links to all it's references. I also read through the 'Rapid Response' section and it was interesting as well. There were views presented by folks on both sides of the issue.
Edit for another good article containing good references from the official Journal of American Academy of Pediatrics.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/107/5/e84The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein0 -
sponger wrote:It seems only recently that this vaccine was approved for distribution to the public. Maybe I'm wrong on that. At any rate, I'd be weary of potential unknown side effects.
This vaccine was recently approved after years of clinical trials. That's the reason that we know it provides protection for at least 5 years. The scientific community is continuing to study the efficacy of the vaccine to determine how long protection is provided. I know I didn't have any side effects when I got my vaccination.0 -
sponger wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the paplova virus is sexually transmitted, making it fundamentally different from the viruses shown above.
Do you advocate the administering of STD vaccines as a condition of enrollment in school?
First it is papillomavirus. Essentially every person will be exposed to HPV at some in their life. It is sexually transmitted. But remember that Hepatitis B can also be sexually transmitted (as well as by contact with blood/body fluids such as in transfusions). Schools require vaccination against Hep B now. There was a huge uproar about requiring vaccination against Hep B since it is an STD. That vaccine has saved MANY people from contracting a serious illness.0 -
Kann wrote:I think being able to write and read is one of the best gifts of life. And mandatory school exists before any concept of capitalism started germing in the minds of economists. So I fail to see how it's aim is to mold consumers. Perhaps modern shool does so, but you are free to choose in wich school you want your kid to go and what education you want him to have.
As someone said you can't trust the government to do all the work and do it correctly, so parents may have a responsibility in the education of the child.
guns were created long before convenience stores and yet they can still be used to rob one...i don't understand the point about when mandatory schooling was created <it certainly wasn't enforced here before capitalism>standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way0
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