this vaccine is a great thing...now we can prevent at least one cancer. as far as it being 'forced'...most vaccines are forced anyway as most schools require certain shots or the child can't attend school. but we no longer have polio, diptheria, mumps, measles or rubella, etc. outbreaks that kill large amounts of people. so i'd have to say 'forced' innoculation is a good thing. a lot of people haven't lived thru an outbreak and as such have no experience, so they have the luxury of believing vaccines aren't truly necessary.
as for vaccines being linked to aids and cancer n such....i'll go with personal experience. my family has birthed, vaccinated and raised 83 babies in the last 20 years. other than normal fevers n general illness for a few days after a vaccine, not one has had adverse side effects such as aids, cancer or autism. i have cancer...but that's because i have family history (grandma n great grandma, who were never vaccinated anyway) but i am the only one in 83.
i'd have to say 'forced' innoculation is a good thing.
Yikes. Forced invasive procedures by the gov't, even if the end is good or right, can't ever be accepted as a good thing. What about forced administration of birth control for people who can't afford kids? What about forced lithium for people who are too aggressive or violent? Wouldn't it be a good thing to prevent babies being born into poverty, or prevent violent behavior? Both of those ends would be good and just. But I have some problem with the means.
I'm happy the vaccine exists, and I'd want my daughter vaccinated. I'm happy there is an "opt out" feature. But it is backward. There should be an "opt in" feature that involves signing up and paying for it.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
oh, i see. so i cant believe anything a doctor tells me, but i should believe everything john scudamore tells me. maybe 5% of those links provide serious, peer evaluated critical research. the rest are all courtesy of a bunch of ideologues with an agenda that get to pick and choose what to publish to reinforce their already established beliefs. sorry, not convinced.
Half of the links don't even work. Did the Jam Master put all of em up for effect thinking no one would click on them? Oh wait, maybe it was a secret plan by the jam master to give everyone carpel tunnel by clicking so many times!!! Whew!! Glad i didn't fall for that, hahahaha.
"Everyone is a patriot in some form or another.... i prefer the intelligent ones."
There should be an "opt in" feature that involves signing up and paying for it.
If there were an "opt in" feature, you'd get twice as many people on here bitching about people that couldn't afford it and how it is unfair. Nobody will ever be 100% happy with anything that anybody does. Fact of life.
"Everyone is a patriot in some form or another.... i prefer the intelligent ones."
If there were an "opt in" feature, you'd get twice as many people on here bitching about people that couldn't afford it and how it is unfair. Nobody will ever be 100% happy with anything that anybody does. Fact of life.
You've identified a real problem. It would mean twice as many people here favor gov't coersion and force. That would be a sad fact of life.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Yikes. Forced invasive procedures by the gov't, even if the end is good or right, can't ever be accepted as a good thing. What about forced administration of birth control for people who can't afford kids? What about forced lithium for people who are too aggressive or violent? Wouldn't it be a good thing to prevent babies being born into poverty, or prevent violent behavior? Both of those ends would be good and just. But I have some problem with the means.
I'm happy the vaccine exists, and I'd want my daughter vaccinated. I'm happy there is an "opt out" feature. But it is backward. There should be an "opt in" feature that involves signing up and paying for it.
how is that different from going to the doctor and getting it? opt in and pay seems pretty interchangeable with going to the doctor to get it.
honestly, id support forced birth control for people on welfare with one child.
Yikes. Forced invasive procedures by the gov't, even if the end is good or right, can't ever be accepted as a good thing. What about forced administration of birth control for people who can't afford kids? What about forced lithium for people who are too aggressive or violent? Wouldn't it be a good thing to prevent babies being born into poverty, or prevent violent behavior? Both of those ends would be good and just. But I have some problem with the means.
I'm happy the vaccine exists, and I'd want my daughter vaccinated. I'm happy there is an "opt out" feature. But it is backward. There should be an "opt in" feature that involves signing up and paying for it.
I don't like the whole forced idea, myself. I don't want the government having the power to decide what's best for me.
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Thank goodness soulsinging provided some logical opposition to JamMastaE. I'll grant that everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter what that opinion is based on, but it amazes me what fallacies people choose to believe. I noticed that NONE of JamMastaE's links were to serious, peer reviewed scientific or medical journals such as Science, Nature, JAMA, NEJM.
The Texas governor did a great thing by requiring the HPV vaccine and providing equal access to it. The vaccine (Gardasil) provides coverage against HPV strains 16 and 18, which are associated with ~70% of cervical cancers. It also protects HPV strains 6 and 11, which cause genital warts. I was lucky enough to have health insurance that covers this vaccine, but there are MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN in this country who have no health coverage. The government mandates vaccines for things like Hepatitis B (which is can also be sexually transmitted), measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, pertussis, etc to PROTECT the health of it's citizens. A simple shot is not an invasive procedure. Last year there were serious outbreaks of mumps in Iowa among groups of people who chose not to be vaccinated. That is called natural selection!
One more thing: no vaccine causes AIDS. That is because HIV causes AIDS. It is seriously irresponsible to suggest that the polio vaccine causes AIDS.
Check out the Centers for Disease Control website regarding this: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/aids/poliovac-hiv-aids-qa.htm#6
Yikes. Forced invasive procedures by the gov't, even if the end is good or right, can't ever be accepted as a good thing.
but we already do have 'forced' vaccinations and have for a long time. if you were born before 1972, you most likely have a circular scar on your upper arm from a 'forced' smallpox vaccine. if you've enrolled your child in school, you know they require certain immunizations up through the teen years. if they are required to attend school, is the gov't not 'forcing' your child to get an invasive procedure?
One more thing: no vaccine causes AIDS. That is because HIV causes AIDS. It is seriously irresponsible to suggest that the polio vaccine causes AIDS.
Check out the Centers for Disease Control website regarding this: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/aids/poliovac-hiv-aids-qa.htm#6
psh, didnt you read his posts? the CDC is working for the man and is part of the conspiracy to give us all AIDS man!!
but we already do have 'forced' vaccinations and have for a long time. if you were born before 1972, you most likely have a circular scar on your upper arm from a 'forced' smallpox vaccine. if you've enrolled your child in school, you know they require certain immunizations up through the teen years. if they are required to attend school, is the gov't not 'forcing' your child to get an invasive procedure?
we can go one or two further... isnt any taxation forcing us to part with our money? isnt forcing kids to go to school depriving parents of the option to keep their kids from getting an education?
we can go one or two further... isnt any taxation forcing us to part with our money? isnt forcing kids to go to school depriving parents of the option to keep their kids from getting an education?
Forced schooling is the biggest farce of our time. All you have to do is look around now compared to before it was mandatory...inovation, invention, philosophy have all but disappeared replaced with rigid, structured, mindless existances that know not how to break from the rountine of all that they have already been programed with.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I'll say it again ... a shot is not an invasive procedure. Would you rather your child die from pertussis (whopping cough) than get a shot?
i totally agree....i was merely using jeffbr's phrase. i had to go settle my lil guy back to sleep (his first party...too much cake and ice cream to sleep soundly) and didn't see your post.
incidentally, my kids have all their shots and i just held my 1 yr old grandson down last week while he got 4 shots. i'm all for vaccinations...including the one for cervical cancer. a few needles vs surgery, chemo and radiation? that's a no-brainer.
we can go one or two further... isnt forcing kids to go to school depriving parents of the option to keep their kids from getting an education?
of course it is! i've always learned things by actually doing them, not being told about them...but that is what school is...we isolate the youth for a good part of the day, segregate them into rooms by age and even then they are rarely allowed to communicate w/ each other, some schools have recess down to 15-20 min. isolate them from their parents, their community...write a poem...that was the bell, finish the poem later at home...do these equations...that was the bell, finish them later at home...even taking away from their time outside of school. the aim of this mandatory school system is to mold the perfect, obedient employee/consumer
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Forced schooling is the biggest farce of our time. All you have to do is look around now compared to before it was mandatory...inovation, invention, philosophy have all but disappeared replaced with rigid, structured, mindless existances that know not how to break from the rountine of all that they have already been programed with.
Well said, and I completely agree. I don't know why we have so many government shills on this board. If the government was incredibly successful in their programs I might understand it, but in just about every undertaking they fail miserably. And yet there are those who continue to condone and promote government intervention into our lives and bodies.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
It seems only recently that this vaccine was approved for distribution to the public. Maybe I'm wrong on that. At any rate, I'd be weary of potential unknown side effects.
Well said, and I completely agree. I don't know why we have so many government shills on this board. If the government was incredibly successful in their programs I might understand it, but in just about every undertaking they fail miserably. And yet there are those who continue to condone and promote government intervention into our lives and bodies.
yeah, i condone it. let me give you little example why I do; my kids had to have their vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella, like every other kid in order to get into public school. when i was a kid there was no vaccinations for any of those things and kids just had to suffer through them when they came along. when i was seven years old i got the measles, and it caused my immunue system to go ape shit and along with attacking the measles virus it attacked and killed the beta cells that produce insulin in my pancreas making me a type 1 diabetic. it's not just the measles that can set this off, other viruses and other things can make the immune system go crazy like that as well. but still if these vaccines prevent one child anywhere in this country from having to live through the shit that i have, it's certainly worthwhile.
if this vaccine can prevent one woman from getting cervical cancer, then it should be given to every little girl right along with all the other vaccines they receive in order to attend school. I hope the other states get on this as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the paplova virus is sexually transmitted, making it fundamentally different from the viruses shown above.
Do you advocate the administering of STD vaccines as a condition of enrollment in school?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the paplova virus is sexually transmitted, making it fundamentally different from the viruses shown above.
Do you advocate the administering of STD vaccines as a condition of enrollment in school?
like any vaccine the parents can opt out if they choose to. but i know that in the real world these girls at some point in time will become sexually active and be exposed to this virus. so I advocate adding this vaccine along with all of the rest of them that are a condition of enrollment. but I also think that condoms should be free in all public high schools
of course it is! i've always learned things by actually doing them, not being told about them...but that is what school is...we isolate the youth for a good part of the day, segregate them into rooms by age and even then they are rarely allowed to communicate w/ each other, some schools have recess down to 15-20 min. isolate them from their parents, their community...write a poem...that was the bell, finish the poem later at home...do these equations...that was the bell, finish them later at home...even taking away from their time outside of school. the aim of this mandatory school system is to mold the perfect, obedient employee/consumer
I think being able to write and read is one of the best gifts of life. And mandatory school exists before any concept of capitalism started germing in the minds of economists. So I fail to see how it's aim is to mold consumers. Perhaps modern shool does so, but you are free to choose in wich school you want your kid to go and what education you want him to have.
As someone said you can't trust the government to do all the work and do it correctly, so parents may have a responsibility in the education of the child.
we can go one or two further... isnt any taxation forcing us to part with our money? isnt forcing kids to go to school depriving parents of the option to keep their kids from getting an education?
Or even further, isn't having a driving license necessary to drive a deprivation to the liberty of driving?
of course it is! i've always learned things by actually doing them, not being told about them...but that is what school is...we isolate the youth for a good part of the day, segregate them into rooms by age and even then they are rarely allowed to communicate w/ each other, some schools have recess down to 15-20 min. isolate them from their parents, their community...write a poem...that was the bell, finish the poem later at home...do these equations...that was the bell, finish them later at home...even taking away from their time outside of school. the aim of this mandatory school system is to mold the perfect, obedient employee/consumer
Certainly there are some schools that still operatre like that- but the approach to education you have described is very 1960's.
I have just started teaching in a high school here in Australia. I gave up what had always been my dream job (working in a wildlife park, feeding crocodiles) after 5 years- despite the fact that I loved every day of work. It wasn't an easy decision to make, but I think it was the correct one. I guess that is why I might feel that there is more to it then molding the perfect obedient employee and consumer.
You say that you learnt from doing and not being told- well I say we learn from both, and a good school will allow the teacher and students to do both. You say they are rarely allowed to communicate- well I say come and join my grade 11 biology class for one of their debates on genetic engineering, or join my grade 8 science class as we discuss how parasites might be causing grasshoppers to commit suicide. You say we isolate them from their community- well I say that their class, their school- they become part of their community.
Going to school isn't about being indoctrinated to think like your teacher, or your parents, or even like some model citizen. It is about learning to make your own decisions. It is about being inspired to love learning for yourself so that you never stop doing it even after you leave school. At least that is how I think it should be.
Who knows; maybe I haven't had time to get cynical about education yet. I hope if I do though, I will have enough sense to get out of the system. Anyway, sorry if that sounded a little too much like a bad motivational speach. I just thing that a formal education should not be taken for granted (and neither should an informal one).
I personally feel that the only way this vaccine can be of use is to make it a part of the regular childhood vaccines that kids are already getting.
I agree, although, it's kind of pointless for it to be given to an infant or even a young child since the vaccine is good for about 5 years (if memory serves). it should be part of the adolescent series that is required for middle school and then again before college. my $0.02
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of course it is! i've always learned things by actually doing them, not being told about them...but that is what school is...we isolate the youth for a good part of the day, segregate them into rooms by age and even then they are rarely allowed to communicate w/ each other, some schools have recess down to 15-20 min. isolate them from their parents, their community...write a poem...that was the bell, finish the poem later at home...do these equations...that was the bell, finish them later at home...even taking away from their time outside of school. the aim of this mandatory school system is to mold the perfect, obedient employee/consumer
i'll admit that the school curriculuum may at times be in need of tweaking, especially in the areas of history and such, but, in all due respect, what a load of crap. You can't be serious with this. Can you? Please tell me this is sarcasm and you forgot the little rolling eyes smiley thingey. Please. i'm begging you to tell me that.
i'm scared. What i've gathered from some of the posts on this board the past few days is that, our children should be unvaccinated, kept of school and handed a daily supply of Pot and a dented soda pop can off which to smoke it. Thats just the kind of society we need to produce. A bunch of stoned, uneducated, unvaccinated creatures. That all sounds like a sci-fi channel nightmare.
This is the problem with the left as i see it (and i consider myself leftist). We are all trying to prove just how left we are and constantly trying to outleft the next guy and it is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous. Its like if you think mandatory schooling is a good thing, a twelve year old's parents should have to be notified before giving her an abortion and marijuanna usage needs to have some stiff enforceable regulations, they take away your liberal card and kick you out of the club. This is why we've lost two straight elections to a guy like Bush, guys. We better start exhibiting some common fucking sense.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
it's really scary how many of you know nothing about the dangers of vaccines?it;s scary hoe soulsinging thinks he knows it all and knows jack shit!! except maybe to flatter himself with undeserved praise,over estimating his "intelligence".I WENT TO COLLEGE!big fucking deal!!i'm sure you can drink alot of beer and degrade women.i know college grads flipping burgers,your claim of higher learning is not impressive so put a lid on it.
yeah some of the links are dead,so?go find some info on your own!
but hey soulsinging vaccines ARE good,YOU should go get as many as you can.
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i'll admit that the school curriculuum may at times be in need of tweaking, especially in the areas of history and such, but, in all due respect, what a load of crap. You can't be serious with this. Can you? Please tell me this is sarcasm and you forgot the little rolling eyes smiley thingey. Please. i'm begging you to tell me that.
i'm scared. What i've gathered from some of the posts on this board the past few days is that, our children should be unvaccinated, kept of school and handed a daily supply of Pot and a dented soda pop can off which to smoke it. Thats just the kind of society we need to produce. A bunch of stoned, uneducated, unvaccinated creatures. That all sounds like a sci-fi channel nightmare.
This is the problem with the left as i see it (and i consider myself leftist). We are all trying to prove just how left we are and constantly trying to outleft the next guy and it is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous. Its like if you think mandatory schooling is a good thing, a twelve year old's parents should have to be notified before giving her an abortion and marijuanna usage needs to have some stiff enforceable regulations, they take away your liberal card and kick you out of the club. This is why we've lost two straight elections to a guy like Bush, guys. We better start exhibiting some common fucking sense.
no one elected Bush,the election was stolen.and if you think vaccines are good,you are the one lacking education and common sense.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
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as for vaccines being linked to aids and cancer n such....i'll go with personal experience. my family has birthed, vaccinated and raised 83 babies in the last 20 years. other than normal fevers n general illness for a few days after a vaccine, not one has had adverse side effects such as aids, cancer or autism. i have cancer...but that's because i have family history (grandma n great grandma, who were never vaccinated anyway) but i am the only one in 83.
Yikes. Forced invasive procedures by the gov't, even if the end is good or right, can't ever be accepted as a good thing. What about forced administration of birth control for people who can't afford kids? What about forced lithium for people who are too aggressive or violent? Wouldn't it be a good thing to prevent babies being born into poverty, or prevent violent behavior? Both of those ends would be good and just. But I have some problem with the means.
I'm happy the vaccine exists, and I'd want my daughter vaccinated. I'm happy there is an "opt out" feature. But it is backward. There should be an "opt in" feature that involves signing up and paying for it.
Half of the links don't even work. Did the Jam Master put all of em up for effect thinking no one would click on them? Oh wait, maybe it was a secret plan by the jam master to give everyone carpel tunnel by clicking so many times!!! Whew!! Glad i didn't fall for that, hahahaha.
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If there were an "opt in" feature, you'd get twice as many people on here bitching about people that couldn't afford it and how it is unfair. Nobody will ever be 100% happy with anything that anybody does. Fact of life.
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You've identified a real problem. It would mean twice as many people here favor gov't coersion and force. That would be a sad fact of life.
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how is that different from going to the doctor and getting it? opt in and pay seems pretty interchangeable with going to the doctor to get it.
honestly, id support forced birth control for people on welfare with one child.
I don't like the whole forced idea, myself. I don't want the government having the power to decide what's best for me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
The Texas governor did a great thing by requiring the HPV vaccine and providing equal access to it. The vaccine (Gardasil) provides coverage against HPV strains 16 and 18, which are associated with ~70% of cervical cancers. It also protects HPV strains 6 and 11, which cause genital warts. I was lucky enough to have health insurance that covers this vaccine, but there are MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN in this country who have no health coverage. The government mandates vaccines for things like Hepatitis B (which is can also be sexually transmitted), measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, pertussis, etc to PROTECT the health of it's citizens. A simple shot is not an invasive procedure. Last year there were serious outbreaks of mumps in Iowa among groups of people who chose not to be vaccinated. That is called natural selection!
One more thing: no vaccine causes AIDS. That is because HIV causes AIDS. It is seriously irresponsible to suggest that the polio vaccine causes AIDS.
Check out the Centers for Disease Control website regarding this: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/aids/poliovac-hiv-aids-qa.htm#6
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but we already do have 'forced' vaccinations and have for a long time. if you were born before 1972, you most likely have a circular scar on your upper arm from a 'forced' smallpox vaccine. if you've enrolled your child in school, you know they require certain immunizations up through the teen years. if they are required to attend school, is the gov't not 'forcing' your child to get an invasive procedure?
psh, didnt you read his posts? the CDC is working for the man and is part of the conspiracy to give us all AIDS man!!
we can go one or two further... isnt any taxation forcing us to part with our money? isnt forcing kids to go to school depriving parents of the option to keep their kids from getting an education?
Forced schooling is the biggest farce of our time. All you have to do is look around now compared to before it was mandatory...inovation, invention, philosophy have all but disappeared replaced with rigid, structured, mindless existances that know not how to break from the rountine of all that they have already been programed with.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i totally agree....i was merely using jeffbr's phrase. i had to go settle my lil guy back to sleep (his first party...too much cake and ice cream to sleep soundly) and didn't see your post.
incidentally, my kids have all their shots and i just held my 1 yr old grandson down last week while he got 4 shots. i'm all for vaccinations...including the one for cervical cancer. a few needles vs surgery, chemo and radiation? that's a no-brainer.
of course it is! i've always learned things by actually doing them, not being told about them...but that is what school is...we isolate the youth for a good part of the day, segregate them into rooms by age and even then they are rarely allowed to communicate w/ each other, some schools have recess down to 15-20 min. isolate them from their parents, their community...write a poem...that was the bell, finish the poem later at home...do these equations...that was the bell, finish them later at home...even taking away from their time outside of school. the aim of this mandatory school system is to mold the perfect, obedient employee/consumer
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Glad to hear it. Hope your little one had a great party.
Well said, and I completely agree. I don't know why we have so many government shills on this board. If the government was incredibly successful in their programs I might understand it, but in just about every undertaking they fail miserably. And yet there are those who continue to condone and promote government intervention into our lives and bodies.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
yeah, i condone it. let me give you little example why I do; my kids had to have their vaccinations for measles, mumps and rubella, like every other kid in order to get into public school. when i was a kid there was no vaccinations for any of those things and kids just had to suffer through them when they came along. when i was seven years old i got the measles, and it caused my immunue system to go ape shit and along with attacking the measles virus it attacked and killed the beta cells that produce insulin in my pancreas making me a type 1 diabetic. it's not just the measles that can set this off, other viruses and other things can make the immune system go crazy like that as well. but still if these vaccines prevent one child anywhere in this country from having to live through the shit that i have, it's certainly worthwhile.
if this vaccine can prevent one woman from getting cervical cancer, then it should be given to every little girl right along with all the other vaccines they receive in order to attend school. I hope the other states get on this as well.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that the paplova virus is sexually transmitted, making it fundamentally different from the viruses shown above.
Do you advocate the administering of STD vaccines as a condition of enrollment in school?
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
like any vaccine the parents can opt out if they choose to. but i know that in the real world these girls at some point in time will become sexually active and be exposed to this virus. so I advocate adding this vaccine along with all of the rest of them that are a condition of enrollment. but I also think that condoms should be free in all public high schools
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I think being able to write and read is one of the best gifts of life. And mandatory school exists before any concept of capitalism started germing in the minds of economists. So I fail to see how it's aim is to mold consumers. Perhaps modern shool does so, but you are free to choose in wich school you want your kid to go and what education you want him to have.
As someone said you can't trust the government to do all the work and do it correctly, so parents may have a responsibility in the education of the child.
Or even further, isn't having a driving license necessary to drive a deprivation to the liberty of driving?
Certainly there are some schools that still operatre like that- but the approach to education you have described is very 1960's.
I have just started teaching in a high school here in Australia. I gave up what had always been my dream job (working in a wildlife park, feeding crocodiles) after 5 years- despite the fact that I loved every day of work. It wasn't an easy decision to make, but I think it was the correct one. I guess that is why I might feel that there is more to it then molding the perfect obedient employee and consumer.
You say that you learnt from doing and not being told- well I say we learn from both, and a good school will allow the teacher and students to do both. You say they are rarely allowed to communicate- well I say come and join my grade 11 biology class for one of their debates on genetic engineering, or join my grade 8 science class as we discuss how parasites might be causing grasshoppers to commit suicide. You say we isolate them from their community- well I say that their class, their school- they become part of their community.
Going to school isn't about being indoctrinated to think like your teacher, or your parents, or even like some model citizen. It is about learning to make your own decisions. It is about being inspired to love learning for yourself so that you never stop doing it even after you leave school. At least that is how I think it should be.
Who knows; maybe I haven't had time to get cynical about education yet. I hope if I do though, I will have enough sense to get out of the system. Anyway, sorry if that sounded a little too much like a bad motivational speach. I just thing that a formal education should not be taken for granted (and neither should an informal one).
I agree, although, it's kind of pointless for it to be given to an infant or even a young child since the vaccine is good for about 5 years (if memory serves). it should be part of the adolescent series that is required for middle school and then again before college. my $0.02
i'll admit that the school curriculuum may at times be in need of tweaking, especially in the areas of history and such, but, in all due respect, what a load of crap. You can't be serious with this. Can you? Please tell me this is sarcasm and you forgot the little rolling eyes smiley thingey. Please. i'm begging you to tell me that.
i'm scared. What i've gathered from some of the posts on this board the past few days is that, our children should be unvaccinated, kept of school and handed a daily supply of Pot and a dented soda pop can off which to smoke it. Thats just the kind of society we need to produce. A bunch of stoned, uneducated, unvaccinated creatures. That all sounds like a sci-fi channel nightmare.
This is the problem with the left as i see it (and i consider myself leftist). We are all trying to prove just how left we are and constantly trying to outleft the next guy and it is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous. Its like if you think mandatory schooling is a good thing, a twelve year old's parents should have to be notified before giving her an abortion and marijuanna usage needs to have some stiff enforceable regulations, they take away your liberal card and kick you out of the club. This is why we've lost two straight elections to a guy like Bush, guys. We better start exhibiting some common fucking sense.
yeah some of the links are dead,so?go find some info on your own!
but hey soulsinging vaccines ARE good,YOU should go get as many as you can.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
no one elected Bush,the election was stolen.and if you think vaccines are good,you are the one lacking education and common sense.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata