Eddie, VH1, and Conservatives

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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Thats how YOU chose to interpret my words. Take off your blinders, and try and see what Im actually saying. Others have not only got the jist, but even agreed on some points. You sound more like an angry kid than I have. But thats MY opinion.

    And I thought the "fuck em" was just a joke. ;)


    I never thought Id see the day that Id go from loving pearl jam because of Eddie, to loving pearl jam despite Eddie. Sad day for me.

    Ok, I'll try. What exactly did you mean by this:
    PaperPlates wrote:
    I think Ed is just like many here are. They don't care about our rights. Or free speech.

    My interpretation of that statement was that you were equating Ed's refusal to say something you want to hear with censorship.

    Incidentally, I don't imagine he'd admit it, but I bet that Ed meant it when he said "Fuck 'em".
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Good post, man ... I don't know what it is, but everything is totally polarized nowadays. Cons and Libs, you're either for us or against us. You hear it in Bush's pro-war rhetoric, and you hear it from the very folks who hate Bush for his pro-war rhetoric. Dialogue is dead, and its a damn shame.

    That is it exactly.....the extremes think they are brilliant in fact they are so close minded they cannot fathom how much they shut out any ideas from the other side...and unfortuntaly in some ways I fell into that catergory sometimes...makes me cringe....but not anymore...
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    That is it exactly.....the extremes think they are brilliant in fact they are so close minded they cannot fathom how much they shut out any ideas from the other side...and unfortuntaly in some ways I fell into that catergory sometimes...makes me cringe....but not anymore...

    I know I'm guilty of it too ... Some issues evoke strong emotions and I think that's where the close-mindedness comes in.
  • aDaughter
    aDaughter Posts: 12
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

    Jesus Horatio Christ, get over it.
    I have wondered forever what the H stood for. Now I know.

    As for StoryTellers, or any tv for that matter, if you're on it, you're at the mercy of the editing. The politics I saw had to do with the songs thus StoryTellers. There was a lot more concert and maybe seen in the context of the show entire, what was said wouldn't seem that monumental.

    Does anyone really want rock stars solving things? I want them tattooed, greasy, and making noise - political and musical. Coming up with solutions? Not so much.
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Ok, I'll try. What exactly did you mean by this:



    My interpretation of that statement was that you were equating Ed's refusal to say something you want to hear with censorship.

    Incidentally, I don't imagine he'd admit it, but I bet that Ed meant it when he said "Fuck 'em".

    Free speech wasnt really the point of my statement. My point was that while Ed makes it sound like he's concerned about this right, that right, and the other right, he's really only worried about the things important to HIM.

    "My interpretation of that statement was that you were equating Ed's refusal to say something you want to hear with censorship. "

    Interesting interpretation. May be due to a serious set of liberal blinders.

    And I bet Ed meant it to. Know what? Fuck him.
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  • RockinInCanada
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    reborncareerist wrote:
    I know I'm guilty of it too ... Some issues evoke strong emotions and I think that's where the close-mindedness comes in.


    Yeah I know...its when you get so passionate about a SINGLE subject (9/10 its the war) you suddenly get a hate on for the other side and will try to find ways to disagree with anyway you can...the left labels the right war savages bent on world domination and the right labels the left as pussies holding out America for Islam to take over any day...which if you look at this culture (this message board culture) we inately share a common love and that is PJ...so why the hell can we not agree on more things...like really lets fix the problems with healthcare, lets clean up the environment (and it does not need to be Kyoto we as a nation can come up with something better if fucking take the time to listen to one another), security (without infringing on rights but at the same time take the necessary measures to ensure we are okay), etc.

    Just frustrated how people disagree with ONE thing and brand you something you are not...I choose not to be Liberal or Conservative I simply want to be myself....
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    aDaughter wrote:

    Does anyone really want rock stars solving things? I want them tattooed, greasy, and making noise - political and musical. Coming up with solutions? Not so much.

    No cure for cancer, dennis leary. Dennis leary knows all. :)
    "And I also don't go for this other thing now, with MTV being so big where you get a band that gets a hit video, and all of the sudden they think that they're like icons and they can tell us how to feel about environmental issues and how to vote and stuff. You know what I'm talking about? Like R.E.M. "Shiny Happy People" "Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey! Pull that bus over to the side of the pretentiousness turnpike, alright!? I want everybody off the bus. I want the shiny people over here, and the happy people over here, ok! I represent angry gun-toting meat-eating fucking people, alright!" Sit down and shut the fuck up Michael! Don Henley's gonna tell me how to vote. I don't fucking think so, ok? I got two words for Don Henley, Joe Fucking Walsh, ok!? Thanks for calling, Don! How long's your pony tail now? Ok!"
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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    reborncareerist wrote:
    The first one in a while ... Why, was there a spate of "Mike Is Clearly A Republican" posts that I missed? I said that he sounds more moderate than Ed, and someone else said that he probably cares less about politics and more about being a rock star ... I've never read anything suggesting that he attends pro-life rallies and goes deer hunting with the Nuge.

    According to an old Rolling Stone feature on the band written by Cameron Crowe, Mike flirted with conservatism in the mid or late 80's when his teen hair band moved down from Seattle to L.A. looking to get signed. They failed, and Mike moved back up to Seattle, cut his hair, and started reading books by Barry Goldwater. I'd have to check for the quote, but I could swear that he says something like "I almost became a conservative."

    This, combined with the info on his campaign contributions, would indicate to me that he falls squarely within the liberal side of things.
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  • JasonVaritek
    JasonVaritek Posts: 94
    PaperPlates wrote:
    No cure for cancer, dennis leary. Dennis leary knows all. :)
    "And I also don't go for this other thing now, with MTV being so big where you get a band that gets a hit video, and all of the sudden they think that they're like icons and they can tell us how to feel about environmental issues and how to vote and stuff. You know what I'm talking about? Like R.E.M. "Shiny Happy People" "Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey! Pull that bus over to the side of the pretentiousness turnpike, alright!? I want everybody off the bus. I want the shiny people over here, and the happy people over here, ok! I represent angry gun-toting meat-eating fucking people, alright!" Sit down and shut the fuck up Michael! Don Henley's gonna tell me how to vote. I don't fucking think so, ok? I got two words for Don Henley, Joe Fucking Walsh, ok!? Thanks for calling, Don! How long's your pony tail now? Ok!"

    That is so funny! I have that on CD and VHS. Dennis Leary is outspoken these days about the current state ofthe world.
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  • rebornFixer
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    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    According to an old Rolling Stone feature on the band written by Cameron Crowe, Mike flirted with conservatism in the mid or late 80's when his teen hair band moved down from Seattle to L.A. looking to get signed. They failed, and Mike moved back up to Seattle, cut his hair, and started reading books by Barry Goldwater. I'd have to check for the quote, but I could swear that he says something like "I almost became a conservative."

    This, combined with the info on his campaign contributions, would indicate to me that he falls squarely within the liberal side of things.

    I know Mike isn't pro-war or pro-Bush ... Maybe its more about how he says things compared to Ed. I don't know, I want to hear the other band members speak on these topics, even if they do sound a lot like Ed.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    PaperPlates wrote:
    And I bet Ed meant it to. Know what? Fuck him.

    Hey, at least we can agree on that, 'cuz we sure as shit aren't agreeing on anything else.

    Does someone pay you $20 every time you use the word "blinders" in your posts?
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I know Mike isn't pro-war or pro-Bush ... Maybe its more about how he says things compared to Ed. I don't know, I want to hear the other band members speak on these topics, even if they do sound a lot like Ed.
    ;) The lyrics of Bushleaguer were co-written by Stone.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    ;) The lyrics of Bushleaguer were co-written by Stone.

    I think just the "blackout weaves its way" part, though ... I remember in an interview Stone mentioned that Ed thought this line was very cool, so he incorporated it into his anti-Bush rant.
    Maybe Stone added other parts too ...
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I know Mike isn't pro-war or pro-Bush ... Maybe its more about how he says things compared to Ed. I don't know, I want to hear the other band members speak on these topics, even if they do sound a lot like Ed.

    I could see that being true to some extent, but I'd still imagine that the guys are mostly liberal across the board. Would you play a benefit concert for a pro-choice group if you were anti-abortion? Probably not.

    Stone once said in an interview that he was probably the most conservative member of the band, and I could see that, too. Ed has called Stone his "foe" within the band on a few occasions, and that's probably in the context of having philosophical or maybe ideological disagreements with him.

    Of course, Stone did wear a "Billionaires for Bush" t-shirt during the Vote for Change tour, so that's good. Members of both parties can find a reason to criticize the president. I mean, seriously, does that guy suck ass or what?
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  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Hey, at least we can agree on that, 'cuz we sure as shit aren't agreeing on anything else.

    Does someone pay you $20 every time you use the word "blinders" in your posts?

    $40 buxx wouldnt be worth it to me really.

    Do you get a nickel every time you use the word facist? If so, you must be wealthy.
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  • RockinInCanada
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    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    I could see that being true to some extent, but I'd still imagine that the guys are mostly liberal across the board. Would you play a benefit concert for a pro-choice group if you were anti-abortion? Probably not.

    Stone once said in an interview that he was probably the most conservative member of the band, and I could see that, too. Ed has called Stone his "foe" within the band on a few occasions, and that's probably in the context of having philosophical or maybe ideological disagreements with him.

    Of course, Stone did wear a "Billionaires for Bush" t-shirt during the Vote for Change tour, so that's good. Members of both parties can find a reason to criticize the president. I mean, seriously, does that guy suck ass or what?

    Yes he does.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    I could see that being true to some extent, but I'd still imagine that the guys are mostly liberal across the board. Would you play a benefit concert for a pro-choice group if you were anti-abortion? Probably not.

    Stone once said in an interview that he was probably the most conservative member of the band, and I could see that, too. Ed has called Stone his "foe" within the band on a few occasions, and that's probably in the context of having philosophical or maybe ideological disagreements with him.

    Of course, Stone did wear a "Billionaires for Bush" t-shirt during the Vote for Change tour, so that's good. Members of both parties can find a reason to criticize the president. I mean, seriously, does that guy suck ass or what?

    I think I am perhaps the Stone of this message board ... :) More conservative than many, but yeah, I can see how Bush sucks ass.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I think just the "blackout weaves its way" part, though ... I remember in an interview Stone mentioned that Ed thought this line was very cool, so he incorporated it into his anti-Bush rant.
    Maybe Stone added other parts too ...
    Perhaps. It was just a joke after all.

    However, there is this CBS article ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/02/politics/main646978.shtml ) that ends with the following:

    ......Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard said he wants to convince voters that the Bush administration has been reckless in its foreign policy since Sept. 11.

    "For me, personally, I very much want John Kerry to win," Gossard said in an interview. "I think that he's expressed an interest in re-engaging the world community and saying the last administration is not representative of the way America wants to do business with the world."......

    A rather positive endorsement of Kerry - so maybe Stone isn't as far left as Ed after all.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    RainDog wrote:
    A rather positive endorsement of Kerry - so maybe Stone isn't as far left as Ed after all.

    Stone's feelings on the subject were probably pretty typical of a lot of liberals in 2004. Normally, the far left will disagree with moderate Democrats during the primaries, for sure. Some far-left liberals still don't like a lot of things that President Clinton did and the whole Third Way bit and the DLC's influence on the party. They maybe still felt burned by the 2000 election, and just wanted a win in 2004, especially after seeing the direction that the administration took us in the ensuing 4 years. Personally, I felt that Senator Kerry would have been a very good president, but he was an ultra-shitty campaigner.

    As far as Stone's comments, I'd love to hear him speak out more on politics, he sounds like he might be the most articulate speaker in the band.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Personally, I felt that Senator Kerry would have been a very good president, but he was an ultra-shitty campaigner.
    Actually, I agree with both you and Stone - I think Kerry would have been a pretty good president (still have my bumper sticker on - but that might just be because I'm lazy and have a shitty car). Hell, he was the first major party candidate that ever got my vote for POTUS. And for me, it wasn't just because Bush was in office.

    And, while I'm not sure I'd consider myself "far left," I have no real love for the DLC as an organization.

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