Your right....nothing beats the promotion of "shock value"....
And whether you wanna admit to it or not, talking about it and giving people like her the attention they're after just fuels their fire. Ironic how so many people who detest this woman, and abhor anything from her mouth, can quote her verbatim.
And whether you wanna admit to it or not, talking about it and giving people like her the attention they're after just fuels their fire. Ironic how so many people who detest this woman, and abhor anything from her mouth, can quote her verbatim.
It's called the internet. Go to Google type in Ann Coulter quotes and presto you have several listing where you can easily cut and past some of her enlightening words.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Ok, I used the search function trying a few things and I looked back 5 pages but I didn't see anything. I haven't been around much lately so forgive me if I missed it.
Anyhow, I love that someone asked a question of the band relating to fans that have different beliefs. And mostly I was disappointed in Eddie's answer. I think he mentioned an important point at the very end, however it seemed he was more interesting in pleasing the audience, which is what he gets paid to do so well in concerts.
He mentioned that he respects other people's opinions and that he hopes they create discussion, but I wonder ow honest that answer was. It appeared to me that he is more interested in 'preaching to the choir'. And in all honesty I htink that sucks. I think that attitude is the exact attitude he professes to hate so much. He professes to hate the controlled news which leads to the controlled thought and the controlled beliefs on the people...but it seems that perhaps he is for it, just not the current message. He is certainly a well-informed rockstar, and has deep opinions. I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir. Without out it, Eddie is no more than Jerry Falwell.
So, what do you all think? Perhaps in that format it is too difficult to express all your thoughts, so little time. Perhaps I misevaluated the statement. But all in all, I was certainly disappoited.
I like the debate. I like talking about issues with people that feel passionately about their positions, despite being oposite on mine. Sure, we have some heated exchanges, but those are a necessary evil to get past.
why is it eddie's job to entertain and discuss ALL viewpoints? i believe him when he says he respects your right to disagree, but he doesn't have to cater to you. if he wants to please us fellow liberals, that's his perogative. he's not a kiss-ass politician running for office. he's an artist with strong opinions.
Life is the riddle
Of which we're caught in the middle.
A couple of lucky ones
Tangled up in too much love
~cowboy junkies
why is it eddie's job to entertain and discuss ALL viewpoints? i believe him when he says he respects your right to disagree, but he doesn't have to cater to you. if he wants to please us fellow liberals, that's his perogative. he's not a kiss-ass politician running for office. he's an artist with strong opinions.
True...I'm not asking him to cater to me at all. Like I said, just wondering what others got out of it. He is only a rockstar after all, you're right. Thanks.
True...I'm not asking him to cater to me at all. Like I said, just wondering what others got out of it. He is only a rockstar after all, you're right. Thanks.
kiss-kiss.
Life is the riddle
Of which we're caught in the middle.
A couple of lucky ones
Tangled up in too much love
~cowboy junkies
It's called the internet. Go to Google type in Ann Coulter quotes and presto you have several listing where you can easily cut and past some of her enlightening words.
Thanks, Ive never seen this "google" you speak of. If you could, pm me with instructions on how to use it. It sounds tremedously useful. Rather than do research, or use personaly experience, I can just cut and paste. Cool!!!!
Wow, I missed out on the debate last night. 'Disposable kitchenware' made me laugh.
So, my two cents is too little too late, but one thing for all those in agreement with Eddie to consider is this: if Eddie made a reference to some categorization of persons that you happened to include yourself in, and he said 'Fuck 'em'', you might understand a little better why those of us with moderate or mid right views reacted. We all already know we are in the minority, and of course we don't think of ourselves as evil, stupid, blinded, etc, but to identify with Pearl Jam and have them say 'Fuck 'em' in retro just gave liscense for others to say the same thing. Sort of like now that Eddie says it is okay....
How can you say F them to anyone who disagrees with your politics anyway. Imagine a world that lived by that rule? How is it possible to communicate after that?
And, I did check out Mike again, and he had fire in his eyes. I don't think he was comfortable at all with that comment. Face it, Mike is coming out of his shell and you can tell by the nearly everything he says and does.
Mike is positive and a thankful person I think. He has overcome real addictions, and having come out of that, I think has made him a more thoughtful and a listener. No way do I think he liked that moment - compare it to his response to Ed's Alive speech, which was quite meaningful and Mike relates to that. Read the lyrics to Inside Job. Point is, I think Mike could have hit Ed with his guitar at that moment, when he said 'Fuck 'em'. He knows how Ed is, but he also realizes that at that moment it isn't just me and the boys, this is the population watching and what we say can easily get misconstrued.
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Wow, I missed out on the debate last night. 'Disposable kitchenware' made me laugh.
So, my two cents is too little too late, but one thing for all those in agreement with Eddie to consider is this: if Eddie made a reference to some categorization of persons that you happened to include yourself in, and he said 'Fuck 'em'', you might understand a little better why those of us with moderate or mid right views reacted. We all already know we are in the minority, and of course we don't think of ourselves as evil, stupid, blinded, etc, but to identify with Pearl Jam and have them say 'Fuck 'em' in retro just gave liscense for others to say the same thing. Sort of like now that Eddie says it is okay....
How can you say F them to anyone who disagrees with your politics anyway. Imagine a world that lived by that rule? How is it possible to communicate after that?
And, I did check out Mike again, and he had fire in his eyes. I don't think he was comfortable at all with that comment. Face it, Mike is coming out of his shell and you can tell by the nearly everything he says and does.
Mike is positive and a thankful person I think. He has overcome real addictions, and having come out of that, I think has made him a more thoughtful and a listener. No way do I think he liked that moment - compare it to his response to Ed's Alive speech, which was quite meaningful and Mike relates to that. Read the lyrics to Inside Job. Point is, I think Mike could have hit Ed with his guitar at that moment, when he said 'Fuck 'em'. He knows how Ed is, but he also realizes that at that moment it isn't just me and the boys, this is the population watching and what we say can easily get misconstrued.
Thoughtful. Well spoken. Truthful. And exactly what I thought and have tried to say. I tend to get side tracked. And I agree, mike looked like he was nearly ready to shit a brick when Ed made his "joke". I dont really even think Ed backpedalled for the fans sakes, with his real joke about being "open to others views". I think he just backpedalled for Mike.
Thoughtful. Well spoken. Truthful. And exactly what I thought and have tried to say. I tend to get side tracked. And I agree, mike looked like he was nearly ready to shit a brick when Ed made his "joke". I dont really even think Ed backpedalled for the fans sakes, with his real joke about being "open to others views". I think he just backpedalled for Mike.
Yeah, I thought about that too..Ed sort of had that sideways look to Mike when he started to retract. Maybe he was feeling Mike's eyes peircing his soul and he was like "oops, probably shouldn't have said that". In the name of band unity, I am sure they have been through this before and they know "the look" Like an effin marriage!
Another thread in another forum was talking about Ed's speech in Denver where he pointed at himself in regards to 'some people are harder to put up with'. Not saying these events are related, but that was the first show since ST aired, I think.
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Yeah, I thought about that too..Ed sort of had that sideways look to Mike when he started to retract. Maybe he was feeling Mike's eyes peircing his soul and he was like "oops, probably shouldn't have said that". In the name of band unity, I am sure they have been through this before and they know "the look" Like an effin marriage!
Another thread in another forum was talking about Ed's speech in Denver where he pointed at himself in regards to 'some people are harder to put up with'. Not saying these events are related, but that was the first show since ST aired, I think.
Yeah, I thought about that too..Ed sort of had that sideways look to Mike when he started to retract. Maybe he was feeling Mike's eyes peircing his soul and he was like "oops, probably shouldn't have said that". In the name of band unity, I am sure they have been through this before and they know "the look" Like an effin marriage!
You people are hilarious! Now your playing out the band's supposed thoughts and feelings because of how you interpreted some facial expressions. You have no idea if that's how they really feel or not but you want it to be true soooooooo bad you go to the extent of making up a little soap opera of sorts. Who knows maybe you're right...maybe Mike was terribly upset about it. But the fact remains, I don't know, you don't know and nothing has been said, at least not publically about ST, so I don't feel the need to pretend I know what they truely think or feel. What else did Miss Cleo tell ya?...Is there gonna be a Goonies 2?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You people are hilarious! Now your playing out the band's supposed thoughts and feelings because of how you interpreted some facial expressions. You have no idea if that's how they really feel or not but you want it to be true soooooooo bad you go to the extent of making up a little soap opera of sorts. Who knows maybe you're right...maybe Mike was terribly upset about it. But the fact remains, I don't know, you don't know and nothing has been said, at least not publically about ST, so I don't feel the need to pretend I know what they truely think or feel. What else did Miss Cleo tell ya?...Is there gonna be a Goonies 2?
my favorite was when paperplates claimed mike was a con, then when i showed that he donated money to dean he cliamed either ed donated the money, illegally, in mike's name or mike did it only to 'humor ed'!!!
where do they get this shit from?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
And, I did check out Mike again, and he had fire in his eyes. I don't think he was comfortable at all with that comment. Face it, Mike is coming out of his shell and you can tell by the nearly everything he says and does.
It looked like Mike was thinking "Fuck, Ed... shut the fuck up! We don't want to become the next Dixie Chicks!"
It looked like Mike was thinking "Fuck, Ed... shut the fuck up! We don't want to become the next Dixie Chicks!"
I think Mike was eyeing someone in the crowd wearing a GOP Tshirt....this is so fun! :rolleyes: Funny thing is, for all we know, I could be just as right as you guys could be.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You people are hilarious! Now your playing out the band's supposed thoughts and feelings because of how you interpreted some facial expressions. You have no idea if that's how they really feel or not but you want it to be true soooooooo bad you go to the extent of making up a little soap opera of sorts. Who knows maybe you're right...maybe Mike was terribly upset about it. But the fact remains, I don't know, you don't know and nothing has been said, at least not publically about ST, so I don't feel the need to pretend I know what they truely think or feel. What else did Miss Cleo tell ya?...Is there gonna be a Goonies 2?
Whatever a book.....sorry if you think I am just making it up as I go, but watch the clip. My point has been all along, and I think I stated it quite clearly that it was not a good statement per Eddie.
I guess you can minimize what I said in total, but I think I stated quite cleary what was wrong with what was said despite Mike's reaction.
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Whatever a book.....sorry if you think I am just making it up as I go, but watch the clip. My point has been all along, and I think I stated it quite clearly that it was not a good statement per Eddie.
I guess you can minimize what I said in total, but I think I stated quite cleary what was wrong with what was said despite Mike's reaction.
Well, ok, in this particular post I am referring to your interpretation of Mike's look. I have already said what I thought about Ed's statement but that wasn't what I was responding to at the point in time.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, ok, in this particular post I am referring to your interpretation of Mike's look. I have already said what I thought about Ed's statement but that wasn't what I was responding to at the point in time.
you're my favorite bitch
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Well, ok, in this particular post I am referring to your interpretation of Mike's look. I have already said what I thought about Ed's statement but that wasn't what I was responding to at the point in time.
So Matt and Jeff chuckled, hence the 'joke'. But the camera showed Mike and he wasn't IMHO looking too pleased. Ed then expounded.
I am interpreting to some degree, but Mike is just one guy in the band who can agree with Eddie most of the time but not all the time. Why does anyone have to believe we must all, including the band agree with Eddie. Drink the Kool-Aid.
It seems to me that it wasn't something the band 'in total' would agree with because it isn't a joke that the rest of us get. Look at all the post saying 'yeah Eddie, way to go' ' exactly what I want to say to all those neo con fans', ' fuck em'.
The question was clearly about fans of a different political persuassian.
So, I am not personally offended near as much by Eddie, but I knew what would happen the moment I heard it. People would take that as liscense to say the same, at least here on the board and probably out there in the public. We have plenty of that foolishness already. There are a bunch of folks that just want PJ to go off the deep end and reject everything, including the fans who don't agree with them. But those are the crazy's in my opinon and will never add anything positive.
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So Matt and Jeff chuckled, hence the 'joke'. But the camera showed Mike and he wasn't IMHO looking too pleased. Ed then expounded.
I am interpreting to some degree, but Mike is just one guy in the band who can agree with Eddie most of the time but not all the time. Why does anyone have to believe we must all, including the band agree with Eddie. Drink the Kool-Aid.
It seems to me that it wasn't something the band 'in total' would agree with because it isn't a joke that the rest of us get. Look at all the post saying 'yeah Eddie, way to go' ' exactly what I want to say to all those neo con fans', ' fuck em'.
The question was clearly about fans of a different political persuassian.
So, I am not personally offended near as much by Eddie, but I knew what would happen the moment I heard it. People would take that as liscense to say the same, at least here on the board and probably out there in the public. We have plenty of that foolishness already. There are a bunch of folks that just want PJ to go off the deep end and reject everything, including the fans who don't agree with them. But those are the crazy's in my opinon and will never add anything positive.
No one said you must agree with shit...don't know where ya came up with that. You can have an opinion on Mike's look just as I can...the point I'm making is... it's just that your opinion. You don't truely know how he felt and no matter how badly you want him to disagree or be upset about Ed's statement, you don't know shit about what he was really thinking. So it is pointless to speculate and come up with these silly scenarios in your head.
And of course there are a wide range of agreeing/disagreeing type posts about Ed's joke/rest of statement....just as there are differing opinions about who loves the No Code album. People are different and you can't please all the people all the time, nor should you try.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
And of course there are a wide range of agreeing/disagreeing type posts about Ed's joke/rest of statement....just as there are differing opinions about who loves the No Code album. People are different and you can't please all the people all the time, nor should you try.
People are different. So are their views. Are we not suppose to try and understand other people and their opinions instead of just saying 'Fuck 'em'?
Isn't that what some of the same people here that think 'fuck 'em' is great say about how people in the US should view the middle east? If we reach the point of 'Fuck 'em' then I think you end up with an Israeli-Palestine type situation where no one's listening anymore and you just do what you want regardless of who is hurt.
This is going well beyond a rockstar's comment obviously, but I just found the whole answer to show the tendency to not really care about open dialogue and instead want the same powers that be in place controlling the masses, only with a different message....'YOUR' message. I just htink it is very hypocritical...at least it appeared that way on the surface.
People are different. So are their views. Are we not suppose to try and understand other people and their opinions instead of just saying 'Fuck 'em'?
Isn't that what some of the same people here that think 'fuck 'em' is great say about how people in the US should view the middle east? If we reach the point of 'Fuck 'em' then I think you end up with an Israeli-Palestine type situation where no one's listening anymore and you just do what you want regardless of who is hurt.
This is going well beyond a rockstar's comment obviously, but I just found the whole answer to show the tendency to not really care about open dialogue and instead want the same powers that be in place controlling the masses, only with a different message....'YOUR' message. I just htink it is very hypocritical...at least it appeared that way on the surface.
well said.
i haven't seen storytellers yet, no cable/VH1, a friend just sent me a copy and i shall soon watch. that said, i have read/heard much about this whole "fuck 'em" comment and it does sound like it was said in jest...but i can certainly see one not enjoying such a comment...even in jest. many a truthful word is masked in humor. i really don't believe ed is the devisive type, and i think he is probably just as frustrated as most of us are at the state of things...while of course, all only guesses on my part...can't truly 'know' what ed thinks/feels...so i just kinda believe he just let the comment fly, directed at the current powers at be...but didn't have any true malicious intent to those who have views different from his own. i look forward to watching and seeing/hearing it all for myself, hopefully tonight or tomorrow.
People are different. So are their views. Are we not suppose to try and understand other people and their opinions instead of just saying 'Fuck 'em'?
Isn't that what some of the same people here that think 'fuck 'em' is great say about how people in the US should view the middle east? If we reach the point of 'Fuck 'em' then I think you end up with an Israeli-Palestine type situation where no one's listening anymore and you just do what you want regardless of who is hurt.
This is going well beyond a rockstar's comment obviously, but I just found the whole answer to show the tendency to not really care about open dialogue and instead want the same powers that be in place controlling the masses, only with a different message....'YOUR' message. I just htink it is very hypocritical...at least it appeared that way on the surface.
Cincy, you know full well you make these kinds of jokes all the time and put a winkie behind it....hell, you are the master of this style of joking. So to use your own words when I used to get uptight about one of your lines....'Lighten up, didn't ya see Ed smiling?' I took it as a joke much like the ones we all throw at each other here everyday. It's called sarcasm folks. I'm sorry that it has hurt you though because I truely believe that's the last thing Ed would have wanted.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Cincy, you know full well you make these kinds of jokes all the time and put a winkie behind it....hell, you are the master of this style of joking. So to use your own words when I used to get uptight about one of your lines....'Lighten up, didn't ya see Ed smiling?' I took it as a joke much like the ones we all throw at each other here everyday. It's called sarcasm folks. I'm sorry that it has hurt you though because I truely believe that's the last thing Ed would have wanted.
I am very willing to admit that it may have been 100% joke. But it wasn't really the impression that I got...lot's of truth in humor.
Oh, I'm not really all that hurt, just thought it was an interesting topic and very open to intepretation so I was looking for other's.
Funny thing, when I saw him in the hotel in Mexico carrying his kid as the ban was packing to leave I treated him with respect, only said "Hi" and nodded. Be nice if he did the same.
I think Mike was eyeing someone in the crowd wearing a GOP Tshirt....this is so fun! :rolleyes: Funny thing is, for all we know, I could be just as right as you guys could be.
or maybe he had an eyelash stuck in his eye. a republican eyelash. a neocon, razor-sharp, homophobic, sexist, fire & brimstone eyelash. created by the intelligent designer, of course.
i'll bet that was it.
Life is the riddle
Of which we're caught in the middle.
A couple of lucky ones
Tangled up in too much love
~cowboy junkies
or maybe he had an eyelash stuck in his eye. a republican eyelash. a neocon, razor-sharp, homophobic, sexist, fire & brimstone eyelash. created by the intelligent designer, of course.
ok, i finally sat down and watched storytellers thanks to the generousity of a fellow boardie kind enought send me a dvd. of course, one can only speculate...and i won't even do that. all i will say is yes, i can see how a fan of a conservative nature might be a bit hurt by ed's fuck 'em comment. given the whole context, i think if i were a conservative fan, i too would initially be hurt. the fact that it arose from a fan directly questioning how ed feels about having a contingency of fans who may hold different beliefs than his/the band...and his first response is 'fuck 'em' - even with a smile to follow...yea, that would hurt me. now, he does go on and further expound his ideas and says he respects others' opinions, hopes to at least start a discussion, etc...all the ed i know and admire...but sure, those initial words would sting. just my 2 cents.
humor or not, not one of the most eloquent or sensitive comments to come out of his mouth...and i am just glad there was more to follow to redeem such a comment. i think it's great that many who hold vastly different political beliefs can still love and appreciate the music of pearl jam, i don't know if i could seperate it since pj IS such a politically vocal band - that i think ed should see value in it, respect that and i'd think he does...but that first comment was not the best demonstration of such.
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Your right....nothing beats the promotion of "shock value"....
And whether you wanna admit to it or not, talking about it and giving people like her the attention they're after just fuels their fire. Ironic how so many people who detest this woman, and abhor anything from her mouth, can quote her verbatim.
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It's called the internet. Go to Google type in Ann Coulter quotes and presto you have several listing where you can easily cut and past some of her enlightening words.
why is it eddie's job to entertain and discuss ALL viewpoints? i believe him when he says he respects your right to disagree, but he doesn't have to cater to you. if he wants to please us fellow liberals, that's his perogative. he's not a kiss-ass politician running for office. he's an artist with strong opinions.
Of which we're caught in the middle.
A couple of lucky ones
Tangled up in too much love
~cowboy junkies
True...I'm not asking him to cater to me at all. Like I said, just wondering what others got out of it. He is only a rockstar after all, you're right. Thanks.
kiss-kiss.
Of which we're caught in the middle.
A couple of lucky ones
Tangled up in too much love
~cowboy junkies
Thanks, Ive never seen this "google" you speak of. If you could, pm me with instructions on how to use it. It sounds tremedously useful. Rather than do research, or use personaly experience, I can just cut and paste. Cool!!!!
www.myspace.com/jensvad
So, my two cents is too little too late, but one thing for all those in agreement with Eddie to consider is this: if Eddie made a reference to some categorization of persons that you happened to include yourself in, and he said 'Fuck 'em'', you might understand a little better why those of us with moderate or mid right views reacted. We all already know we are in the minority, and of course we don't think of ourselves as evil, stupid, blinded, etc, but to identify with Pearl Jam and have them say 'Fuck 'em' in retro just gave liscense for others to say the same thing. Sort of like now that Eddie says it is okay....
How can you say F them to anyone who disagrees with your politics anyway. Imagine a world that lived by that rule? How is it possible to communicate after that?
And, I did check out Mike again, and he had fire in his eyes. I don't think he was comfortable at all with that comment. Face it, Mike is coming out of his shell and you can tell by the nearly everything he says and does.
Mike is positive and a thankful person I think. He has overcome real addictions, and having come out of that, I think has made him a more thoughtful and a listener. No way do I think he liked that moment - compare it to his response to Ed's Alive speech, which was quite meaningful and Mike relates to that. Read the lyrics to Inside Job. Point is, I think Mike could have hit Ed with his guitar at that moment, when he said 'Fuck 'em'. He knows how Ed is, but he also realizes that at that moment it isn't just me and the boys, this is the population watching and what we say can easily get misconstrued.
Thoughtful. Well spoken. Truthful. And exactly what I thought and have tried to say. I tend to get side tracked.
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Yeah, I thought about that too..Ed sort of had that sideways look to Mike when he started to retract. Maybe he was feeling Mike's eyes peircing his soul and he was like "oops, probably shouldn't have said that". In the name of band unity, I am sure they have been through this before and they know "the look"
Another thread in another forum was talking about Ed's speech in Denver where he pointed at himself in regards to 'some people are harder to put up with'. Not saying these events are related, but that was the first show since ST aired, I think.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=204310
Maybe if they do another Q & A someone can ask Ed what foot tastes like.
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You people are hilarious! Now your playing out the band's supposed thoughts and feelings because of how you interpreted some facial expressions. You have no idea if that's how they really feel or not but you want it to be true soooooooo bad you go to the extent of making up a little soap opera of sorts. Who knows maybe you're right...maybe Mike was terribly upset about it. But the fact remains, I don't know, you don't know and nothing has been said, at least not publically about ST, so I don't feel the need to pretend I know what they truely think or feel. What else did Miss Cleo tell ya?...Is there gonna be a Goonies 2?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
my favorite was when paperplates claimed mike was a con, then when i showed that he donated money to dean he cliamed either ed donated the money, illegally, in mike's name or mike did it only to 'humor ed'!!!
where do they get this shit from?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
It looked like Mike was thinking "Fuck, Ed... shut the fuck up! We don't want to become the next Dixie Chicks!"
I think Mike was eyeing someone in the crowd wearing a GOP Tshirt....this is so fun! :rolleyes: Funny thing is, for all we know, I could be just as right as you guys could be.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Whatever a book.....sorry if you think I am just making it up as I go, but watch the clip. My point has been all along, and I think I stated it quite clearly that it was not a good statement per Eddie.
I guess you can minimize what I said in total, but I think I stated quite cleary what was wrong with what was said despite Mike's reaction.
Well, ok, in this particular post I am referring to your interpretation of Mike's look. I have already said what I thought about Ed's statement but that wasn't what I was responding to at the point in time.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
you're my favorite bitch
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I aim to please.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So Matt and Jeff chuckled, hence the 'joke'. But the camera showed Mike and he wasn't IMHO looking too pleased. Ed then expounded.
I am interpreting to some degree, but Mike is just one guy in the band who can agree with Eddie most of the time but not all the time. Why does anyone have to believe we must all, including the band agree with Eddie. Drink the Kool-Aid.
It seems to me that it wasn't something the band 'in total' would agree with because it isn't a joke that the rest of us get. Look at all the post saying 'yeah Eddie, way to go' ' exactly what I want to say to all those neo con fans', ' fuck em'.
The question was clearly about fans of a different political persuassian.
So, I am not personally offended near as much by Eddie, but I knew what would happen the moment I heard it. People would take that as liscense to say the same, at least here on the board and probably out there in the public. We have plenty of that foolishness already. There are a bunch of folks that just want PJ to go off the deep end and reject everything, including the fans who don't agree with them. But those are the crazy's in my opinon and will never add anything positive.
No one said you must agree with shit...don't know where ya came up with that. You can have an opinion on Mike's look just as I can...the point I'm making is... it's just that your opinion. You don't truely know how he felt and no matter how badly you want him to disagree or be upset about Ed's statement, you don't know shit about what he was really thinking. So it is pointless to speculate and come up with these silly scenarios in your head.
And of course there are a wide range of agreeing/disagreeing type posts about Ed's joke/rest of statement....just as there are differing opinions about who loves the No Code album. People are different and you can't please all the people all the time, nor should you try.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
People are different. So are their views. Are we not suppose to try and understand other people and their opinions instead of just saying 'Fuck 'em'?
Isn't that what some of the same people here that think 'fuck 'em' is great say about how people in the US should view the middle east? If we reach the point of 'Fuck 'em' then I think you end up with an Israeli-Palestine type situation where no one's listening anymore and you just do what you want regardless of who is hurt.
This is going well beyond a rockstar's comment obviously, but I just found the whole answer to show the tendency to not really care about open dialogue and instead want the same powers that be in place controlling the masses, only with a different message....'YOUR' message. I just htink it is very hypocritical...at least it appeared that way on the surface.
well said.
i haven't seen storytellers yet, no cable/VH1, a friend just sent me a copy and i shall soon watch. that said, i have read/heard much about this whole "fuck 'em" comment and it does sound like it was said in jest...but i can certainly see one not enjoying such a comment...even in jest. many a truthful word is masked in humor. i really don't believe ed is the devisive type, and i think he is probably just as frustrated as most of us are at the state of things...while of course, all only guesses on my part...can't truly 'know' what ed thinks/feels...so i just kinda believe he just let the comment fly, directed at the current powers at be...but didn't have any true malicious intent to those who have views different from his own. i look forward to watching and seeing/hearing it all for myself, hopefully tonight or tomorrow.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Cincy, you know full well you make these kinds of jokes all the time and put a winkie behind it....hell, you are the master of this style of joking.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I am very willing to admit that it may have been 100% joke. But it wasn't really the impression that I got...lot's of truth in humor.
Oh, I'm not really all that hurt, just thought it was an interesting topic and very open to intepretation so I was looking for other's.
Funny thing, when I saw him in the hotel in Mexico carrying his kid as the ban was packing to leave I treated him with respect, only said "Hi" and nodded. Be nice if he did the same.
(re: the curse statement)
Gave me chills, if that wasn't a big bear hug to all of their fans, I don't know what would be. Loved it!
or maybe he had an eyelash stuck in his eye. a republican eyelash. a neocon, razor-sharp, homophobic, sexist, fire & brimstone eyelash. created by the intelligent designer, of course.
i'll bet that was it.
Of which we're caught in the middle.
A couple of lucky ones
Tangled up in too much love
~cowboy junkies
Me thinks you have something stuck somewhere too.
humor or not, not one of the most eloquent or sensitive comments to come out of his mouth...and i am just glad there was more to follow to redeem such a comment. i think it's great that many who hold vastly different political beliefs can still love and appreciate the music of pearl jam, i don't know if i could seperate it since pj IS such a politically vocal band - that i think ed should see value in it, respect that and i'd think he does...but that first comment was not the best demonstration of such.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow