Ahhh Captalism

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ever wonder why people are lazy?

    no, how about you tell me why
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no, how about you tell me why
    Don't ask Ahnimus this question. You know his answer is determinism. The person can't help it, they are just the end product of theire DNA and environment. There is zero freewill in the choices they make, it's all pre-determined. Those that try harder only do so because it's been pre-determined for them that they'll try harder. Those that are lazy are only lazy because that's the way their life was pre-determined.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no, how about you tell me why
    It's metabolic.

    Human metabolism is a complex system of interacting tissues and hormones. You really need a solid understanding of it. In addition, humans, like animals, have hibernation modes that cause a phenomenologically lazy state with high energy consumption. There are many genetic mutations that cause variations in metabolism.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    surferdude wrote:
    Don't ask Ahnimus this question. You know his answer is determinism. The person can't help it, they are just the end product of theire DNA and environment. There is zero freewill in the choices they make, it's all pre-determined. Those that try harder only do so because it's been pre-determined for them that they'll try harder. Those that are lazy are only lazy because that's the way their life was pre-determined.

    :p I know. I was throwin some bait out there.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    Don't ask Ahnimus this question. You know his answer is determinism. The person can't help it, they are just the end product of theire DNA and environment. There is zero freewill in the choices they make, it's all pre-determined. Those that try harder only do so because it's been pre-determined for them that they'll try harder. Those that are lazy are only lazy because that's the way their life was pre-determined.

    You could always prove me wrong by removing your brain.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's metabolic.

    Human metabolism is a complex system of interacting tissues and hormones. You really need a solid understanding of it. In addition, humans, like animals, have hibernation modes that cause a phenomenologically lazy state with high energy consumption. There are many genetic mutations that cause variations in metabolism.

    o yea? what about someone who would rather do drugs, watch tv, lay in the sun, and collect food stamps.

    are they metabolic?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You could always prove me wrong by removing your brain.

    for someone who doesn't believe in God, you sure do a good job of pretending you are him.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    o yea? what about someone who would rather do drugs, watch tv, lay in the sun, and collect food stamps.

    are they metabolic?

    Probably not, but what would you suppose the causes are?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    for someone who doesn't believe in God, you sure do a good job of pretending you are him.

    I do a good job of learning, and not being ignorant.

    Here is a good place for you to start learning

    http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/obesity/lectures.html
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You could always prove me wrong by removing your brain.
    I prove you wrong every time I make a decision in life. Again, you only see what you want to see, the truth scares you. The truth of freewill is too much responsibility for many to face, so they become irrational. Don't worry it's a common ailment so you shouldn't feel bad about having it. :)
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    surferdude wrote:
    I always wonder if the people so unhappy with capitalism would be happy to do without the good and great things that capitalism has enabled in our lives. They complain but they don't move to communes. Some people just like being unhappy I think.

    Its great today for bunches of us - me included.

    its horrible for many millions

    but we have no plausable future. To me that is deal breaker. To many it is not
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Probably not, but what would you suppose the causes are?

    probably the same feeling I get when I have a day off work. a nice relaxing, non stressful feeling. those people want that to continue and are ok with taking handouts from the government instead of working. not a bad deal I guess.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    I prove you wrong every time I make a decision in life. Again, you only see what you want to see, the truth scares you. The truth of freewill is too much responsibility for many to face, so they become irrational. Don't worry it's a common ailment so you shouldn't feel bad about having it. :)

    Decision does not equate to free-will. I think your knowledge of the topic is rather shallow if that's what you think.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    spiral out wrote:
    And capitalism keeps the rich incredibly rich at the expense of the poor.

    There must be a nice medium out there. But that would take decent human beings to create it so i guess it won't be happeneing anytime soon.
    Actually, we have that medium right now. The U.S. and Europe (and a lot of other places) have mixed economies. We are not strictly capitalistic, though we like to call ourselves that (kind of like saying we're not a pure democracy, though we refer to ourselves as a democratic society). Not only does the State have ultimate control over the economy, but we also have socialist programs like Social Security, welfare, minimum wage, hell even things like roads, fire departments, police forces, and waste management. We also have rather significant regulations on what we can do with land in this country.

    It's a great system in theory, and a decent one in practice - unlike pure capitalism or pure communism which both sound great in theory, but suck in practice. We still have considerable problems - and I mean considerable - but it's a far more adaptable system than anything else humans have tried.

    I once read someone on this board describe it as Capitalist means to Socialist ends. A good description, and something I can live with provided it remains open - provided everyone can partake (and there's were some of those considerable problems come in).
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    probably the same feeling I get when I have a day off work. a nice relaxing, non stressful feeling. those people want that to continue and are ok with taking handouts from the government instead of working. not a bad deal I guess.

    So what makes you different?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Its great today for bunches of us - me included.

    its horrible for many millions

    but we have no plausable future. To me that is deal breaker. To many it is not
    why cuz the market dropped 350? oops only closed down 15. be honest, you dont really know shit about the market do u?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So what makes you different?

    I wake up and go to work everyday. I work my ass off. I dont want handouts from anybody.

    I actually get pleasure out of accomplishing something due to hard work. they dont.

    see the difference?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I wake up and go to work everyday. I work my ass off. I dont want handouts from anybody.

    I actually get pleasure out of accomplishing something due to hard work. they dont.

    see the difference?

    No, those are phenomenological differences, I'm interested in the causal ontology.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No, those are phenomenological differences, I'm interested in the causal ontology.

    supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Decision does not equate to free-will. I think your knowledge of the topic is rather shallow if that's what you think.
    I determine my life. It's my choice to be who I am. I stopped blaming others a long time ago. In other words I grew up. Taking responsibility for my actions is a little overwhelming at times but is more than paid back by enjoying my actions. I refuse to live my life by your life limiting paradigm. I'm sorry that you can't accept the truth.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley

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