I always wonder if the people so unhappy with capitalism would be happy to do without the good and great things that capitalism has enabled in our lives. They complain but they don't move to communes. Some people just like being unhappy I think.
Probably not, but what would you suppose the causes are?
I prove you wrong every time I make a decision in life. Again, you only see what you want to see, the truth scares you. The truth of freewill is too much responsibility for many to face, so they become irrational. Don't worry it's a common ailment so you shouldn't feel bad about having it.
spiral out wrote:
And capitalism keeps the rich incredibly rich at the expense of the poor.
There must be a nice medium out there. But that would take decent human beings to create it so i guess it won't be happeneing anytime soon.
probably the same feeling I get when I have a day off work. a nice relaxing, non stressful feeling. those people want that to continue and are ok with taking handouts from the government instead of working. not a bad deal I guess.
Its great today for bunches of us - me included.
its horrible for many millions
but we have no plausable future. To me that is deal breaker. To many it is not
So what makes you different?
I wake up and go to work everyday. I work my ass off. I dont want handouts from anybody.
I actually get pleasure out of accomplishing something due to hard work. they dont.
see the difference?
No, those are phenomenological differences, I'm interested in the causal ontology.
Decision does not equate to free-will. I think your knowledge of the topic is rather shallow if that's what you think.
I'm interested in the causal ontology.
I determine my life. It's my choice to be who I am. I stopped blaming others a long time ago. In other words I grew up. Taking responsibility for my actions is a little overwhelming at times but is more than paid back by enjoying my actions. I refuse to live my life by your life limiting paradigm. I'm sorry that you can't accept the truth.
Some just don't give a fuck. They weren't designed that way. They chose to become that way.
why cuz the market dropped 350? oops only closed down 15. be honest, you dont really know shit about the market do u?
there I was talking about capitalism.
know shit.. guess I don't know the same things as you???
ah my bad. yea I know plenty of the markets. I do it for a living.
so do you believe that our economy will be sunk in the next couple of months just asking a ?? i don't know to much about the market at all .....
Why? Why is it your choice? How did you get the choice?
....and what caused you to choose differently?
We all have the choice. I just chose to embrace what others would run from.
God and love.
you will notice - influential businessmen one by one will start to give a bad outlook on the future of the market.
to be sure, before they do, they will sell a good portion of their stocks and advise theirs to do the same.. they make the public negative outlook. This in hopes to scare other investors out - lowering prices. so they can.. at just the right time.. come back in and subsequently give positives reports - helping the market to go back up.. earning money for them.
That's why I like to buy more stocks when the market is low.
So, God and Love do not cause other people to choose as you did. Why not?
and some people are straight up lazy. sorry, im not interested in supporting them
We take from God and love as we choose to. Some may not look to God and love when making choices. We all have freewill after all. I can look to God and love and still make poor choices because ultimately I make the choice but it's where I'm still going to look now and in the future. For me it's the best place to look, you may have other places to look, the 'lazy' person may look somewhere else all together or just deny that they have a choice.
Uncle Leo wrote:
Therein lies the difference between left and right in this type of discussion. Not what we think of the market, so much, but more simply what we think of the poor (and sometimes how much we like perpetual aristocracy, but that is a different discussion).
Yeah, you can find lazy people. Your statement, "and some people are stright up lazy" is true. But the implication (backed up by a previous post where you actually say poverty is caused by laziness) is that all the poor are lazy. I just don't think that that is true. With all that capitalism has to offer, it also pretty much guarantees a wide income gap and even runs better with a certain amount of unemployment. When last I checked, most people on Welfare are there for less than two years. They get their little safety net, get on their feet, and in many cases never go back. My wife was on welfare when she was in about 1st grade. For a year or two. She never went back. There were a number of reasons for being on Welfare, and I promise you that lazyness is not a part of it.
Someone has to fail in this system. Someone has to take the shit job and, frankly, someone has to be unemployed. If we all take the right steps to succeed, the "failures" will just be better prepared failures. Hard work for all does not insure financial security, or even stability for all.
While poverty HAS to exist in capitalism, the reasons for WHO are impoverished are plentiful. Lazyness is a part of it, but I would hazard to say a smaller part of it than some think. I think that most of us (myself included) cannot imagine growing up in a culture of poverty and hopelessness, where life is about getting by, as opposed to success. It's a different world. Does poverty tend to breed poverty because of lazyness or are there other factors? Do blacks tend to be more impoverished than whites because they are lazier (actually another thread on this board came up with a resounding "yes")?
People that want to pull their own weight are deserving of a little push when times are tough--at least that's how I feel. And most people, even those who do not have any money, want to pull their own weight.
this is now a left and right issue? and no I dont think ALL people are lazy.
Uncle Leo wrote:
I don't look to God at all. It's a wonder I'm not homeless.