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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    PJammin' wrote:
    why would He want to help someone who thinks that he knows more than Him. He's perfect. He made the mind. you'll NEVER know more than Him so don't be wise in your own eyes.

    did not God create Man in his own image? if so, then God is not perfect. Man as his image is not perfect. this negates the possibility of God being so.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    did not God create Man in his own image? if so, then God is not perfect. Man as his image is not perfect. this negates the possibility of God being so.

    I know the answer! It comes down to God being a Godly perfect whereas man is only manly perfect and made a imperfect decision in the eyes of God's perfection. Does that make sense?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I know the answer! It comes down to God being a Godly perfect whereas man is only manly perfect and made a imperfect decision in the eyes of God's perfection. Does that make sense?

    not to a heathen like me ryan. :D
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    I take offense to the word "Jap". But, "Jap" in it of itself is not an offensive word, IMO. It's just an abbreviation. It's like "Bob" instead of "William".

    But, in this case, we dropped an atomic bomb on "William" while calling him "Bob" the whole time in a less-than-respectful fashion. We also locked up "William's" family in internment camps and confiscated their multi-million dollar California properties, only to reimburse them decades later for a fraction of their market value.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    not to a heathen like me ryan. :D

    Yea it didn't to me either. That's what I was told by a man who "read the bible 16 times" and continues to read it once a year. Inevitably every discussion we have comes down to "because God said so". As long as that works for the person saying it, nothing else really matters.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Did you get these from GodHatesFags.com?

    I agree God does hate fags, and partly that's why I hate God.

    why would i go to a website when i don't need it. God doesn't hate "fags" as you say. He would like them to come back into his fold. just like the prodigal son. God gets a bad rap. why is it always God's fault? but isn't it the human desire to always blame someone else for their OWN actions.


    Here is a challenge. Make yourself gay, then change back, unless you find you want to remain gay. The claim is that gay people can change to straight, but they don't actually want to do that, those who have tried, failed. So perhaps a straight person who believes a person can change their sexual drive will change to being gay to prove it's possible. My suspicion is that they cannot even try. I doubt that anyone who makes these claims could even attempt to become gay. The thought would never cross the mind, and if it had, it would be dismissed promptly. I can't become disgusted with women. If I turned on a porn video, it would take some mental control to stop from getting an erection. Gay porn, I couldn't even watch it, it would probably cause a gag reflex. Anyway, just ranting on because I want to really make the point that sexual preference is not a preference, it's a drive.

    why would i want to take a challenge like that when it goes against the obvious. can two gay people have a child? i don't think so. if everyone was gay there would be no children. the fact is that God can do the impossible, even when YOU think He can't. EVERYONE gets different desires, drives, and temptations. Jesus was tempted in every way possible, yet He didn't sin. it's how you handle the desires, drives, and temptations through God. the bottom line is sin makes God run from us. if your steeped in sin, it's going to be pretty hard to get out of that sin without the word of God. believe in your scientists and your books. i'm trying to shed some light on the subject to anyone who wants to learn. the people who seek God out will find their answers. if you don't want God, He'll stay far away from you. if you draw near, He'll draw near to you. it's everyone's personal choice. if you believe things can't be done, they won't be done. negativity is through the devil. positivity is through Christ. keep trying to disprove God with your own logic. in the end He'll make a fool out of you. like i said, whether you're alive or dead, the truth will finally make itself known. the things that are hidden will finally come to light. you think it bothers me that people mock God or say harsh things about Him? say what you want. believe in what you want. one of us is right and one of us is wrong. time will tell all. :)
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    catefrances wrote:
    did not God create Man in his own image? if so, then God is not perfect. Man as his image is not perfect. this negates the possibility of God being so.

    yes, He did. God did not sin though. man did sin and fell into temptation to the devil. thus the fall and imperfection.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is no evidence that the biblical God built the universe. No more than the Mesapotamian God Gilgamish or the Sumerian Gods the Annunaki, Greek Gods, Roman Gods, Native American Spirits, etc.. etc..

    yep, you're right. there is NO EVIDENCE at all that historical places and objects found didn't coincide with the Bible. although, i don't need any of that to believe. i don't care if they found noah's ark tomorrow. "blessed are those who have not seen and believed."

    even if Jesus himself came to you in the flesh you wouldn't believe, so keep disproving. :)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    PJammin' wrote:
    yes, He did. God did not sin though. man did sin and fell into temptation to the devil. thus the fall and imperfection.

    and that would make God's imperfection a lack of compassion.

    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea it didn't to me either. That's what I was told by a man who "read the bible 16 times" and continues to read it once a year. Inevitably every discussion we have comes down to "because God said so". As long as that works for the person saying it, nothing else really matters.

    you know i read the bible too. but it's more a casual thing. :)
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    catefrances wrote:
    and that would make God's imperfection a lack of compassion.

    God's lack of compassion would've been to kill off the whole human race for good, which He did not. God's compassion is sending His Son to die for us. would YOU be crucified for your friend? i doubt it. God HAS compassion.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    why would i go to a website when i don't need it. God doesn't hate "fags" as you say. He would like them to come back into his fold. just like the prodigal son. God gets a bad rap. why is it always God's fault? but isn't it the human desire to always blame someone else for their OWN actions.

    Because in your terms, God caused us and is therefor responsible for our actions. Besides that God is a creation of ancient fantasy.
    why would i want to take a challenge like that when it goes against the obvious. can two gay people have a child? i don't think so. if everyone was gay there would be no children. the fact is that God can do the impossible, even when YOU think He can't. EVERYONE gets different desires, drives, and temptations. Jesus was tempted in every way possible, yet He didn't sin. it's how you handle the desires, drives, and temptations through God. the bottom line is sin makes God run from us. if your steeped in sin, it's going to be pretty hard to get out of that sin without the word of God. believe in your scientists and your books. i'm trying to shed some light on the subject to anyone who wants to learn. the people who seek God out will find their answers. if you don't want God, He'll stay far away from you. if you draw near, He'll draw near to you. it's everyone's personal choice. if you believe things can't be done, they won't be done. negativity is through the devil. positivity is through Christ. keep trying to disprove God with your own logic. in the end He'll make a fool out of you. like i said, whether you're alive or dead, the truth will finally make itself known. the things that are hidden will finally come to light. you think it bothers me that people mock God or say harsh things about Him? say what you want. believe in what you want. one of us is right and one of us is wrong. time will tell all. :)

    Right, it's obvious that you can't turn gay, so why would you expect someone who is gay to turn straight?

    You will never know if you are wrong. If you are right you will possibly spend eternity in heaven, or hell. If you are wrong, your entire existence will end, you will have no experience, it will be as if there is nothing, not even time. Kind of like sleeping, more like prior to existence.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    If I had any faith in god, I don't think I'd like him very much.
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Right, it's obvious that you can't turn gay, so why would you expect someone who is gay to turn straight?

    Well you can turn gay, just not willingly. Don't underestimate your unconscious desires :)
    And, if I'm not mistaken, christians don't want gays to turn straight. Christians want gays to stop living in sin and to stop indulging in homosexuality. I'm not saying it's easier one way or another.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    Are you struggling with undesired same-sex attractions? Maybe you have been a Homosexual for a long time, but now are searching for a way out. You have come to the right place! Love God's Way is offering hope and help to people seeking freedom from being Gay. We believe and we have seen in thousands of lives that this freedom is possible through the power of our C.H.O.P.S program working in our hearts and minds.

    The bottom line - you shouldn't be gay! You can lead a life of fulfillment and happiness as God intended, a life far better than what your Gay life has offered.

    http://www.lovegodsway.org/Gay?
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  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Collin wrote:
    Are you struggling with undesired same-sex attractions? Maybe you have been a Homosexual for a long time, but now are searching for a way out. You have come to the right place! Love God's Way is offering hope and help to people seeking freedom from being Gay. We believe and we have seen in thousands of lives that this freedom is possible through the power of our C.H.O.P.S program working in our hearts and minds.

    The bottom line - you shouldn't be gay! You can lead a life of fulfillment and happiness as God intended, a life far better than what your Gay life has offered.

    http://www.lovegodsway.org/Gay?

    I remember reading a Lou Reed bio where the author said young Lou Reed whose parents were afraid he might be gay had to undergo electroshock therapy to get rid of that filthy sickness. Crazy stuff when you think it was not that long ago (he is still alive after all).
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    PJammin' wrote:
    God's lack of compassion would've been to kill off the whole human race for good, which He did not. God's compassion is sending His Son to die for us. would YOU be crucified for your friend? i doubt it. God HAS compassion.

    compassion would have been to give his children a chance to redeem themselves and allow them to remain in eden. but instead he cast them aside.
    and yes i am reminded of God's compassion whenever i read the book of job.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    PJammin' wrote:
    God's lack of compassion would've been to kill off the whole human race for good, which He did not. God's compassion is sending His Son to die for us. would YOU be crucified for your friend? i doubt it. God HAS compassion.

    I don't know about being crucified but I'd die for my family and friends.

    God may have compassion but that doesn't mean he shows it.
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  • chopitdown
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    catefrances wrote:
    compassion would have been to give his children a chance to redeem themselves and allow them to remain in eden. but instead he cast them aside.
    .

    it seems that your idea of compassion applies only to life on earth meaning if God were compassionate there would be earthly rewards and no earthly suffering. What if the true meaning of compassion was to go to heaven for eternity? It seems we (humans) want to project our idea of good / compassion on God rather than acknowledge that we might not know the greater "good" which is I think why people get frustrated with God. We start from a faulty premise of what good and bad should be and if it doesn't fit our idea of good and bad then it can't possibly be good. A presupposition Christians have is that God has unlimited knowledge and we have limited knowledge. Is it fair to apply / compare our limited knowledge with His unlimited knowledge. For instance, if you were a first year engineering student would you tell the worlds most renowned engineer that he was wrong about something when your background / knowledge pales in comparison to theirs?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    chopitdown wrote:
    it seems that your idea of compassion applies only to life on earth meaning if God were compassionate there would be earthly rewards and no earthly suffering. What if the true meaning of compassion was to go to heaven for eternity? It seems we (humans) want to project our idea of good / compassion on God rather than acknowledge that we might not know the greater "good" which is I think why people get frustrated with God. We start from a faulty premise of what good and bad should be and if it doesn't fit our idea of good and bad then it can't possibly be good. A presupposition Christians have is that God has unlimited knowledge and we have limited knowledge. Is it fair to apply / compare our limited knowledge with His unlimited knowledge. For instance, if you were a first year engineering student would you tell the worlds most renowned engineer that he was wrong about something when your background / knowledge pales in comparison to theirs?

    no not at all. my idea of compassion is to acknowledge when mistakes have been made and make allowances for the fact that people, myself included, are not perfect. and when a situation arises for the first time to give guidance rather than judgement. however my outlook would change if the 'sinner' refused to see the error of their ways. or even refused to acknowledge what they were doing was wrong. let's face it Mankind's natural curiosity got the better of him in the garden. God should have known that would happen despite him telling adam and eve not to eat the fruit from the tree. children are naturally curious regardless of anything their parents tell them.
    i like the idea of a compassionate God because the alternative would be a vengeful God and who wants that?
    i don't think people get frustrated with God per se. i think when they do, they are getting frustrated at themselves and their own limitations and projecting it onto their God.
    i am not under the illusion that Mankind has a limited knowledge. then again i am not a christian.
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  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,376
    ForestBrain wrote:
    Why is it okay for people to mock God and religion, but it's not okay to mock homosexuals?
    I just wondered because I see religion mocked constantly, yet somebody says something about a gay person, and people flip out.
    I don't think it's ok to mock religion or sexual orientation. Mocking isn't nice. People have opinions on anything, sure, but I think religion is as close as skin, and sexual orientation is, too. People can discuss lifestyles, and it can be discussed respectfully. I bet I can't stand it when someone disses me as a Catholic as much as a gay man can't stand it when someone disses him because he's gay. It reflects poorly on the person doing the mocking.
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