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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Not quite the same...
    Saying you believe that time exists is like saying you believe air exists.
    ...
    You simply do not apply the clock to your life... that's all. Nothing philosophical about that.

    no; i can capture air; analize it; break it down to it's components. air is something real; that can be touched.

    i recall a sleep test where the patient claimed to be dreaming all night. he recalled this extensive dream in the morning yet the EEG only showed about 30 seconds of brain activity atributed to dreaming.
    science measures time by the break down of carbon; then converts it to the time measurement we accept.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan
    "YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death

    "Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan

    if you can get ahnimus to think outside the test tube; i'll buy the popcorn.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan
    :D

    You're so awesome on these subjects, too!
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    Yes... is there any other?

    Sure there is...
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Why do always these philosophical threads explode when I'm not looking? Damn it.

    Anyway, Finsbury trying to convince Ahnimus to read de-constructionist philosophy and Nietzsche... Where's my popcorn? :D

    Peace
    Dan

    They can stay in the past where they belong. I'm reading up-to-date scientific results and philosophy.

    I used to have a lot of respect for you Dan, but lately you aren't adding to the topics. This is just verbal diahrrea.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    if you can get ahnimus to think outside the test tube; i'll buy the popcorn.

    Actually OLS, the engrams in your brain are far stronger than mine, according to Hebb's rule, you are an "old dog" to which "new tricks" can not be taught. I'm the opposite, I learn new tricks every day. I even gave you a neuroscientific explanation for your behaviour.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    They can stay in the past where they belong. I'm reading up-to-date scientific results and philosophy.

    I used to have a lot of respect for you Dan, but lately you aren't adding to the topics. This is just verbal diahrrea.

    Hehe...how could you possibly respect something?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...how could you possibly respect something?

    How could I respect something?

    Let me tell you something FFG. All I'm posting up here is text, which even if you interpret it 100% as I intended, still leaves the door wide open for you to paint my personality in your mind. Your vision of Ahnimus, is probably not true. It becomes apparent that you have a prejudice towards me when you make statements like this above. Then I wonder, why it is you have these ill feelings towards me. Perhaps it's my resourcefulness and thirst for knowledge that leads me to amazing revelations and little-known discoveries. I don't know, but envy and pride don't look good on anyone.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Let me tell you something FFG. All I'm posting up here is text, which even if you interpret it 100% as I intended, still leaves the door wide open for you to paint my personality in your mind.

    Of course. And vice versa.
    Your vision of Ahnimus, is probably not true.

    I have no "vision of Ahnimus". I have a vision of your ideology.
    It becomes apparent that you have a prejudice towards me when you make statements like this above.

    I do have a prejudice against you.
    Then I wonder, why it is you have these ill feelings towards me.

    Because I disagree with you. The same reason I have prejudices against others here.
    Perhaps it's my resourcefulness and thirst for knowledge that leads me to amazing revelations and little-known discoveries.

    Huh? All you seem to have is an index of names and some wikipedia articles.
    I don't know, but envy and pride don't look good on anyone.

    How could I envy you? What do you have that I want?

    And pride, when justified, looks great on anyone.
    Ahnimus wrote:
    How could I respect something?

    Good question. I'm still waiting for you to answer it.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Of course. And vice versa.

    I have no "vision of Ahnimus". I have a vision of your ideology

    I do have a prejudice against you.

    Because I disagree with you. The same reason I have prejudices against others here.

    Huh? All you seem to have is an index of names and some wikipedia articles.

    How could I envy you? What do you have that I want?

    And pride, when justified, looks great on anyone.

    Good question. I'm still waiting for you to answer it.

    Clearly this goes beyond disagreeing with me FFG. Don't kid yourself.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Clearly this goes beyond disagreeing with me FFG. Don't kid yourself.

    Are you suggesting that I have some personal disdain for you that goes beyond your ideology? And are you suggesting that I'm acting out on that disdain? That seems odd since our discussions typically end with you calling me names, Ahnimus. I'll happily stick to the ideologies. You, however, seem intent on making things personal the instant someone puts you in a corner. So please don't project your own flaws on me, or on anyone else here.

    My ideological disagreements with you remain, and they'll continue to motivate my posts in response to yours. I'll continue to point out the contradictions in your philosophy whenever you show them. Such as just now when you claimed to respect something while your professed ideologies would completely preclude the concept of respect.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Perhaps it's my resourcefulness and thirst for knowledge that leads me to amazing revelations and little-known discoveries. I don't know, but pride don't look good on anyone.

    the irony of this statement is awesome.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    What's my ideology FFG?

    It's congruent with most scientists of consciousness. I could care less what some dudes said 3,000 years ago, or even 50 years ago. We have brain imaging devices now that allow us to monitor live brain activity, we also have equipment to perturb the brain of a live subject. Our understanding of ourselves is about to make some huge leaps. It already has. I'm on top of it, reading everything that comes out. I'm reading "Conversations on Consciousness" now by Susan Blackmore, prof of psychology at the university of england. I've got Francis Crick's "The Astonishing Hypothesis" on order, Crick and Koch spent 30 years in Neuroscience studying the neural correlates of consciousness. "Conversations on Consciousness" contains transcripts of interviews with the following people; Bernard Baars, Ned Block, David Chalmers, Patricia and Paul Churchland, Francis Crick, Daniel Dennet, Susan Greenfield, Richard Gregory, Stuart Hameroff, Christof Koch, Stephen LaBerge, Thomas Metzinger, Kevin O'Regan, Roger Penrose, V.S. Ramachandran, John Searle, Petra Stoerig, Francisco Varela, Max Velmans and Daniel Wegner. Individually I'm familiar with many of these people, I've read alot of their personal works, and this book brings it together.

    Sorry, what are you basing your ideology on?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Are you suggesting that I have some personal disdain for you that goes beyond your ideology? And are you suggesting that I'm acting out on that disdain? That seems odd since our discussions typically end with you calling me names, Ahnimus. I'll happily stick to the ideologies. You, however, seem intent on making things personal the instant someone puts you in a corner. So please don't project your own flaws on me, or on anyone else here.

    My ideological disagreements with you remain, and they'll continue to motivate my posts in response to yours. I'll continue to point out the contradictions in your philosophy whenever you show them. Such as just now when you claimed to respect something while your professed ideologies would completely preclude the concept of respect.

    As I recall, it was a perfectly normal conversation, until Dan shot his mouth off, you followed suit and OLS opened his trap. Who's lacking respect?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    the irony of this statement is awesome.

    How is it Ironic, did you assume that with that statement came sentiments of pride? Why would you assume such a thing? Is it consistent with your behaviour?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    What's my ideology FFG?

    Your ideology is one wherein man in simply the effect of non-man.
    It's congruent with most scientists of consciousness. I could care less what some dudes said 3,000 years ago, or even 50 years ago. We have brain imaging devices now that allow us to monitor live brain activity, we also have equipment to perturb the brain of a live subject. Our understanding of ourselves is about to make some huge leaps. It already has. I'm on top of it, reading everything that comes out. I'm reading "Conversations on Consciousness" now by Susan Blackmore, prof of psychology at the university of england. I've got Francis Crick's "The Astonishing Hypothesis" on order, Crick and Koch spent 30 years in Neuroscience studying the neural correlates of consciousness. "Conversations on Consciousness" contains transcripts of interviews with the following people; Bernard Baars, Ned Block, David Chalmers, Patricia and Paul Churchland, Francis Crick, Daniel Dennet, Susan Greenfield, Richard Gregory, Stuart Hameroff, Christof Koch, Stephen LaBerge, Thomas Metzinger, Kevin O'Regan, Roger Penrose, V.S. Ramachandran, John Searle, Petra Stoerig, Francisco Varela, Max Velmans and Daniel Wegner. Individually I'm familiar with many of these people, I've read alot of their personal works, and this book brings it together.

    Awesome. Shouldn't there be some Wikipedia links in here too?
    Sorry, what are you basing your ideology on?

    That which you are hell-bent on destroying: volitional reason. I guess my list isn't as long as yours, huh?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    As I recall, it was a perfectly normal conversation, until Dan shot his mouth off, you followed suit and OLS opened his trap. Who's lacking respect?

    hahaha... it was a conspiracy! you were all lying in wait and lured him into your debate!

    can you not see that your views are a little bit nutty to everyone else around here? regardless of their truth or lack thereof, what surprises me is your consistent astonishment at the fact that we dont fall all over ourselves to thank you for enlightening us every time you post. you've said this stuff many many many many times before, and nobody has ever seen things your way. why do you continue to expect you will not meet with opposition when you express your views?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    How is it Ironic, did you assume that with that statement came sentiments of pride? Why would you assume such a thing? Is it consistent with your behaviour?

    becos you call your own statements on here "amazing revelations" and then promptly dismiss somebody else's with accusations of pride.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That which you are hell-bent on destroying: volitional reason. I guess my list isn't as long as yours, huh?

    dont you know size matters?

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