maybe it's just the way you are writing it, seeing as how im not the only person to have noticed it. in fact, im one of many who has noticed it. i've yet to see anyone call you humble or respectful. i've seen many call you arrogant and condescending.
but you know, hard facts and numbers don't matter, right? it's YOUR personal experience of what you feel you are saying that dictates whether or not you come off as arrogant and condescending, right?
Then I say "It seems to me that your feeling of God is the result of an engram of neurons associated with the feelings expected under the concept of God." That's not condescending, it's just a theory. It's probably true.
Bottom line, I'm not the only person that says things that can be interpreted as condescending.
that is not what you say. you say it is fact, not theory. you say your view is the only one that makes sense and anyone who believes differently is stupid and not as advanced as you. THAT is condescending.
maybe it's just the way you are writing it, seeing as how im not the only person to have noticed it. in fact, im one of many who has noticed it. i've yet to see anyone call you humble or respectful. i've seen many call you arrogant and condescending.
but you know, hard facts and numbers don't matter, right? it's YOUR personal experience of what you feel you are saying that dictates whether or not you come off as arrogant and condescending, right?
Actually you have the problem with my facts. Whenever I post factual data someone attacks me personally. Seems more like jealousy from inadequacy to me. But I never intended to say so, you got my back against the wall here Jeanie.
or maybe it's frustration with your cold, unfeeling inhumanity.
that was not the vote. but even graciously counting that as a vote for "ahnimus never condescends to people or seems arrogant"... that gives him one on his side and a dozen against.
that was not the vote. but even graciously counting that as a vote for "ahnimus never condescends to people or seems arrogant"... that gives him one on his side and a dozen against.
Your natural style here is to focus predominantly on the facts. That's your strong natural preference and that's great and you need not change for anyone. Jeanie's natural style and preference is to prioritize the human aspect of the interaction. You genuinely are uninterested in the human aspects of this stuff--you don't prioritize it. Jeanie is the opposite. Her natural preference is who she is and she need not change who she is for anyone. You are both fully entitled to your acceptable natural preferences. This isn't about jealousy and inadequacy at all. It's about two people who are unable to connect and navigate those basic differences successfully, in order to resolve communication differences and get back to the points at hand. There are two people who are equally responsible at this level of the debate: both Jeanie and yourself.
The problem I had with Jeanie is that she asserted that statistically men are more violent than women, and men are the cause of most domestic violence. I respectfully posted statistics from Statistics Canada, as we were in-fact discussing the Ontario Provincial Police. But never-the-less this didn't budge Jeanie from her pre-convictions and she chose to defend her beliefs by suggesting the statistics are wrong without providing other data. Now, I have a real problem when someone uses "no reason" to retain their prejudice views. Would you expect Jeanie to remain quiet and not rebuttal if I suggested that all women are bad drivers, or even that women are the majority of mentally ill people? Absolutely not, she would come at me with the force of a train wreck. She wouldn't be the only one to do so. Why is some prejudice acceptable, while others are not? Why is some "bad behavior" justified if coerced by opinions contrary to normal social prejudice?
In most cases you will find that I merely post my opinion followed by empirical data. I do post rebuttals to arguments that are contrary to mine. But you will see in most cases that the initiation of personal attacks is not on my hands. Take the thread about the 7-year old unruly child
Swan; if you don't have kids then shut the fuck up.
Catefrances: you have NO idea what it is like to be a parent.
Redrock: it is a well know fact/stereotype that generally women will use communication rather than force (and are better at communication than men).
Austin: Common sense exists. I find the people who have the least amount of common sense are the ones who learn their life lessons in books.
Are not all of these statements intended to condescend my opinion as a male without kids? They intend to say that I can not possibly have the knowledge these individuals have because I'm not privledged as them? It's absolutely absurd when you consider Redrock's statement, then look at the other statements. If women are so good at communication, why do they sometimes make such meaningless statements? I can spend days posting comments similar to these directed at me and my posts. I'm not congregating with other members to chastize these people. At this point I could really care less what the herd thinks or says about me, with these kinds of statements, they've lost my respect as mature debaters.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
maybe it's just the way you are writing it, seeing as how im not the only person to have noticed it. in fact, im one of many who has noticed it. i've yet to see anyone call you humble or respectful. i've seen many call you arrogant and condescending.
but you know, hard facts and numbers don't matter, right? it's YOUR personal experience of what you feel you are saying that dictates whether or not you come off as arrogant and condescending, right?
All that experience is subjective and quite a small sample size. Especially considering the room for interpretation. I find most of your arguments as ridiculous as saying that humans are not animals. Facts are facts, whether you believe they are or not, you don't write reality with your thoughts.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i think your posts are pretty worthless most of the time. why dont you try explaining yourself in the post, instead of your cryptic cries for attention that force people to ask you what you mean. do we have to have that conversation again about your self esteem?
All that experience is subjective and quite a small sample size. Especially considering the room for interpretation. I find most of your arguments as ridiculous as saying that humans are not animals. Facts are facts, whether you believe they are or not, you don't write reality with your thoughts.
did i ever say humans are not animals? what has that got to do with anything? id be the first to say humans are no different from animals.
so now i get it... OUR experience is only subjective, YOUR experience is objective. so becos you dont feel you're being condescending, you are not. but even though EVERYONE else sees you as being a pompous ass, we are all wrong and just being subjective and you, as always of course, are the right one.
yes the sample size is small. but i dont think any of us claimed to know any more than the way you represent yourself on here. so allow me to rephrase. your posts by and large appear very condescending to most people round here and it makes you look like an arrogant prick. better?
i think your posts are pretty worthless most of the time. why dont you try explaining yourself in the post, instead of your cryptic cries for attention that force people to ask you what you mean. do we have to have that conversation again about your self esteem?
did i ever say humans are not animals? what has that got to do with anything? id be the first to say humans are no different from animals.
so now i get it... OUR experience is only subjective, YOUR experience is objective. so becos you dont feel you're being condescending, you are not. but even though EVERYONE else sees you as being a pompous ass, we are all wrong and just being subjective and you, as always of course, are the right one.
yes the sample size is small. but i dont think any of us claimed to know any more than the way you represent yourself on here. so allow me to rephrase. your posts by and large appear very condescending to most people round here and it makes you look like an arrogant prick. better?
Look, appear, seem, all the operative words in this debate over my intent.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and still nothing of value... if you want to impress everyone with how witty you are, hop on over to the aet or go to red mosquito. they're all about verbal mutual masturbation.
Look, appear, seem, all the operative words in this debate over my intent.
this is relevant how? we said you come off condescending. you say it's our fault. again, your ego. did it ever occur to you that your demeanor rubs people poorly? perhaps if you're weren't so self-aggrandizing, people would be a bit more receptive to listening to your points. but when your language says "you're stupid and i will explain the world to you," people are enver going to hear the message after the insult. and the fact that MANY people perceive you that way indicates that your tone creates that effect, REGARDLESS of what your intent is. you, above all people, should understand this... given the way you said that stalker never intended to hurt his victim, he thought he loved her. but i think it became pretty clear that just becos your intent is one thing, does not mean that your execution is in line with it.
this is relevant how? we said you come off condescending. you say it's our fault. again, your ego. did it ever occur to you that your demeanor rubs people poorly? perhaps if you're weren't so self-aggrandizing, people would be a bit more receptive to listening to your points. but when your language says "you're stupid and i will explain the world to you," people are enver going to hear the message after the insult. and the fact that MANY people perceive you that way indicates that your tone creates that effect, REGARDLESS of what your intent is. you, above all people, should understand this... given the way you said that stalker never intended to hurt his victim, he thought he loved her. but i think it became pretty clear that just becos your intent is one thing, does not mean that your execution is in line with it.
All that sounds pretty condescending Soulsinging. Do you see the irony in your post?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
All that sounds pretty condescending Soulsinging. Do you see the irony in your post?
let me get this straight... you are saying that the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who have expressed an opinion on it agree that you come off like an arrogant and condescending person... that EVERYONE is wrong EXCEPT you? and that me pointing this out makes me condescending?
dont get me wrong, im probably the most arrogant prick i know and condescend more than most, but not in this one right here. im just trying to help you spread your gospel dude. and it starts by getting people to listen to you rather than dismiss you as a jerk who likes to hear himself talk too much.
let me get this straight... you are saying that the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who have expressed an opinion on it agree that you come off like an arrogant and condescending person... that EVERYONE is wrong EXCEPT you? and that me pointing this out makes me condescending?
dont get me wrong, im probably the most arrogant prick i know and condescend more than most, but not in this one right here. im just trying to help you spread your gospel dude. and it starts by getting people to listen to you rather than dismiss you as a jerk who likes to hear himself talk too much.
haha, that's funny, since you listen the least. But hey, I appreciate the support. None of this compares to the PMs I get.
you are by far the most fucked up person on this board!!! stop all your nonsense in Earthgirls thread...its uncalled for, rude, insensitive, and just fucking bullshit! NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK! If you want to help...show some caring support...but i honestly dont think you are capable of that.
damn you are a freak. go get a life.
This is the level of respect I get 'round here. All I do is share my knowledge and advice. I wasn't twisting Earthgirl's arm to take my advice. It's fine that people want to provide her with support and comfort, but her initial post read "okay... in need of some advice..." which is the angle I was coming from. I never received any statements from Earthgirl that suggested my advice was not welcome. If it truly was insensitive or rude, I'd expect her to say something. Since sensitivity and politeness are somewhat subjective, it really doesn't matter what the flocking boytoys think about it. Perhaps I simply don't see Earthgirl as weak as these others do, I think she has a great deal of strength and was in-fact looking for advice, not for people to exagerate her situation, to make this man appear as a demon-spawn, and coddle her as a baby. I could be wrong, but that is entirely up to her to say.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm not hiding behind anything. Don't you think that statement is also condescending? You are some how unveiled and I am hiding?
I have nothing to hide, I've posted my most embarassing and degrading moments, as well as my most amazing experiences. I've shared everything down to my full name and address. I am not hiding anything Cate. That's the difference, I'm not shying away from the threat of offending someone with my viewpoint. I won't be afraid of so-called "Common-sense" and other social prejudices.
There are 3 things you don't talk about at work, sex, politics and religion. That's why I'm here. Although, I still do talk about it at work :*( But anyway, I don't see why I can't post links, quote information and express a viewpoint. If someone says "God exists man, I just know it" and I say "Well that seems like kind of a myopic perspective." I'm not being condescending, just saying it's awfully near-sighted. Then I say "It seems to me that your feeling of God is the result of an engram of neurons associated with the feelings expected under the concept of God." That's not condescending, it's just a theory. It's probably true.
Bottom line, I'm not the only person that says things that can be interpreted as condescending.
what i'm talking about ryan is when you go all clinical(as in the stalker thread) when all that is required is a little support and compassion. and no i dont think i am being unveiled whilst you remain hidden at all. but truth be told, if i said half the things that are in my head i'd have everyone jumping down my throat, when all i want is a discussion without the polarising that goes on. i want you to tell us what you think without constantly backing to up with links and facts. there's nothing wrong with empirical posting.
yes, you are not the only person who when they say these things is considered condescending. but you seem to do it all the time and we don't get to see the rest of your personality. i do like to read what you have to say but sometimes it feels like a shield.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
what i'm talking about ryan is when you go all clinical(as in the stalker thread) when all that is required is a little support and compassion. and no i dont think i am being unveiled whilst you remain hidden at all. but truth be told, if i said half the things that are in my head i'd have everyone jumping down my throat, when all i want is a discussion without the polarising that goes on. i want you to tell us what you think without constantly backing to up with links and facts. there's nothing wrong with empirical posting.
yes, you are not the only person who when they say these things is considered condescending. but you seem to do it all the time and we don't get to see the rest of your personality. i do like to read what you have to say but sometimes it feels like a shield.
Why do you assume that Earthgirl wanted "comfort and support" when she began her thread with "okay... need some advice..."?
I am saying what I feel, it just happens to be based on a strong foundation of empirical facts and I post those to accompany my view.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Why do you assume that Earthgirl wanted "comfort and support" when she began her thread with "okay... need some advice..."?
I am saying what I feel, it just happens to be based on a strong foundation of empirical facts and I post those to accompany my view.
actually ryan what i think earthgirl wanted was validation that how she was handling the situation was the right way. which in my opinion it wasn't. she knew what she should have done and yet she was on a forum asking us. i thought she was making herself more of a victim than was necessary. anyone with or even without custody of children should not have been in an empty house knowing that a stalker was out there somewhere just waiting for opportunity. you are never safe inside your own home if someone is determined to get to you.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
haha, that's funny, since you listen the least. But hey, I appreciate the support. None of this compares to the PMs I get.
This is the level of respect I get 'round here. All I do is share my knowledge and advice. I wasn't twisting Earthgirl's arm to take my advice. It's fine that people want to provide her with support and comfort, but her initial post read "okay... in need of some advice..." which is the angle I was coming from. I never received any statements from Earthgirl that suggested my advice was not welcome. If it truly was insensitive or rude, I'd expect her to say something. Since sensitivity and politeness are somewhat subjective, it really doesn't matter what the flocking boytoys think about it. Perhaps I simply don't see Earthgirl as weak as these others do, I think she has a great deal of strength and was in-fact looking for advice, not for people to exagerate her situation, to make this man appear as a demon-spawn, and coddle her as a baby. I could be wrong, but that is entirely up to her to say.
i listen the least becos you're arrogant and condescending. you're as annoying as the evangelicals who talk only about jesus and refuse to consider that their ideology isn't the only one out there that makes sense and has some validity. i have fun fucking with people like you and poking holes in your narrow-minded ideology, but i dont take anything you say seriously.
and yes, earthgirl's thread was asking for advice. but then the guy assaulted her. at that point, any advice was moot becos it was too late, the damage was done and she specifically said she didnt want to discuss it anymore. at that point, you became uncaring by persisting in waging your ideological war, putting your egotistical ideological preaching before her emotional needs. at that point, you just say you're sorry, you're there if she needs you, and you leave it at that. you dont lecture her about how misunderstood the guy that just attacked her is and how we should all feel sorry for and help HIM instead of HER.
Why do you assume that Earthgirl wanted "comfort and support" when she began her thread with "okay... need some advice..."?
I am saying what I feel, it just happens to be based on a strong foundation of empirical facts and I post those to accompany my view.
becos the thread changed when she was assaulted and it was too late for advice. at that point, no advice can undo the assault. only compassion to heal the wounds she suffered.
actually ryan what i think earthgirl wanted was validation that how she was handling the situation was the right way. which in my opinion it wasn't. she knew what she should have done and yet she was on a forum asking us. i thought she was making herself more of a victim than was necessary. anyone with or even without custody of children should not have been in an empty house knowing that a stalker was out there somewhere just waiting for opportunity. you are never safe inside your own home if someone is determined to get to you.
Apparently safer than at the bar
I don't agree with you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ive got you under my skin
Ive got you deep in the heart of me
So deep in my heart, that you're really a part of me
Ive got you under my skin
Ive tried so not to give in
Ive said to myself this affair never will go so well
But why should I try to resist, when baby will I know than well
That Ive got you under my skin
Dont you know you fool, you never can win
Use your mentality, wake up to reality
But each time I do, just the thought of you
Makes me stop before I begin
cause Ive got you under my skin
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i listen the least becos you're arrogant and condescending. you're as annoying as the evangelicals who talk only about jesus and refuse to consider that their ideology isn't the only one out there that makes sense and has some validity. i have fun fucking with people like you and poking holes in your narrow-minded ideology, but i dont take anything you say seriously.
and yes, earthgirl's thread was asking for advice. but then the guy assaulted her. at that point, any advice was moot becos it was too late, the damage was done and she specifically said she didnt want to discuss it anymore. at that point, you became uncaring by persisting in waging your ideological war, putting your egotistical ideological preaching before her emotional needs. at that point, you just say you're sorry, you're there if she needs you, and you leave it at that. you dont lecture her about how misunderstood the guy that just attacked her is and how we should all feel sorry for and help HIM instead of HER.
lol, poking-holes, you should flush the holes out your own theories there big guy.
Earthgirl isn't dead is she? Then it's not over.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
lol, poking-holes, you should flush the holes out your own theories there big guy.
Earthgirl isn't dead is she? Then it's not over.
i dont have many theories, and what theories i do have i have becos they work for me, but i would never present them as the absolute truth or tell everyone else that they should accept them or that they are stupid if they do not.
and no, she's not dead. but she is recuperating, and SHE SAID SHE DID NOT WANT TO DISCUSS IT. that means the advice stops and we tell her we are here for her. she has people in the real world to ACTUALLY look after her and that is what they are doing for her now. if she wants us, she will tell us. but until then, we ought to respect her wishes, bid her our best, and check our egos at the door.
i dont have many theories, and what theories i do have i have becos they work for me, but i would never present them as the absolute truth or tell everyone else that they should accept them or that they are stupid if they do not.
and no, she's not dead. but she is recuperating, and SHE SAID SHE DID NOT WANT TO DISCUSS IT. that means the advice stops and we tell her we are here for her. she has people in the real world to ACTUALLY look after her and that is what they are doing for her now. if she wants us, she will tell us. but until then, we ought to respect her wishes, bid her our best, and check our egos at the door.
You haven't poked any holes in my theories.
If you read the thread again, you will see that I stopped giving my advice and only took the defense against the hordes of ignornat clones.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
If you read the thread again, you will see that I stopped giving my advice and only took the defense against the hordes of ignornat clones.
precisely. becos your ego would not allow you to step down out of respect for her. your ego demanded you prove them all wrong, no matter what effect it had on her. you didnt even have to admit defeat, just let it all pass and bow out and take your views elsewhere to be debated. but you could not do that... why?
precisely. becos your ego would not allow you to step down out of respect for her. your ego demanded you prove them all wrong, no matter what effect it had on her. you didnt even have to admit defeat, just let it all pass and bow out and take your views elsewhere to be debated. but you could not do that... why?
Why couldn't anyone else? These so-called friends of hers. I honestly don't think it had a negative effect on her. I'll believe that when she says it herself. What is with you arrogant people putting words in someone's mouth when they can just as easily speak for themselves?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Why couldn't anyone else? These so-called friends of hers. I honestly don't think it had a negative effect on her. I'll believe that when she says it herself. What is with you arrogant people putting words in someone's mouth when they can just as easily speak for themselves?
becos they were heated and emotional. a friend was assaulted by a crazy man and they wanted to offer their support and they were insulted by your insensitive and ego-stroking proselytizing.
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maybe it's just the way you are writing it, seeing as how im not the only person to have noticed it. in fact, im one of many who has noticed it. i've yet to see anyone call you humble or respectful. i've seen many call you arrogant and condescending.
but you know, hard facts and numbers don't matter, right? it's YOUR personal experience of what you feel you are saying that dictates whether or not you come off as arrogant and condescending, right?
that is not what you say. you say it is fact, not theory. you say your view is the only one that makes sense and anyone who believes differently is stupid and not as advanced as you. THAT is condescending.
I think Ahnimus is open-minded, a true intellect.
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or maybe it's frustration with your cold, unfeeling inhumanity.
that was not the vote. but even graciously counting that as a vote for "ahnimus never condescends to people or seems arrogant"... that gives him one on his side and a dozen against.
I think you're contradicting yourself.
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The problem I had with Jeanie is that she asserted that statistically men are more violent than women, and men are the cause of most domestic violence. I respectfully posted statistics from Statistics Canada, as we were in-fact discussing the Ontario Provincial Police. But never-the-less this didn't budge Jeanie from her pre-convictions and she chose to defend her beliefs by suggesting the statistics are wrong without providing other data. Now, I have a real problem when someone uses "no reason" to retain their prejudice views. Would you expect Jeanie to remain quiet and not rebuttal if I suggested that all women are bad drivers, or even that women are the majority of mentally ill people? Absolutely not, she would come at me with the force of a train wreck. She wouldn't be the only one to do so. Why is some prejudice acceptable, while others are not? Why is some "bad behavior" justified if coerced by opinions contrary to normal social prejudice?
In most cases you will find that I merely post my opinion followed by empirical data. I do post rebuttals to arguments that are contrary to mine. But you will see in most cases that the initiation of personal attacks is not on my hands. Take the thread about the 7-year old unruly child
Swan; if you don't have kids then shut the fuck up.
Catefrances: you have NO idea what it is like to be a parent.
Redrock: it is a well know fact/stereotype that generally women will use communication rather than force (and are better at communication than men).
Austin: Common sense exists. I find the people who have the least amount of common sense are the ones who learn their life lessons in books.
Are not all of these statements intended to condescend my opinion as a male without kids? They intend to say that I can not possibly have the knowledge these individuals have because I'm not privledged as them? It's absolutely absurd when you consider Redrock's statement, then look at the other statements. If women are so good at communication, why do they sometimes make such meaningless statements? I can spend days posting comments similar to these directed at me and my posts. I'm not congregating with other members to chastize these people. At this point I could really care less what the herd thinks or says about me, with these kinds of statements, they've lost my respect as mature debaters.
All that experience is subjective and quite a small sample size. Especially considering the room for interpretation. I find most of your arguments as ridiculous as saying that humans are not animals. Facts are facts, whether you believe they are or not, you don't write reality with your thoughts.
i think your posts are pretty worthless most of the time. why dont you try explaining yourself in the post, instead of your cryptic cries for attention that force people to ask you what you mean. do we have to have that conversation again about your self esteem?
did i ever say humans are not animals? what has that got to do with anything? id be the first to say humans are no different from animals.
so now i get it... OUR experience is only subjective, YOUR experience is objective. so becos you dont feel you're being condescending, you are not. but even though EVERYONE else sees you as being a pompous ass, we are all wrong and just being subjective and you, as always of course, are the right one.
yes the sample size is small. but i dont think any of us claimed to know any more than the way you represent yourself on here. so allow me to rephrase. your posts by and large appear very condescending to most people round here and it makes you look like an arrogant prick. better?
I think you're getting close to being vaporized.
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Look, appear, seem, all the operative words in this debate over my intent.
and still nothing of value... if you want to impress everyone with how witty you are, hop on over to the aet or go to red mosquito. they're all about verbal mutual masturbation.
this is relevant how? we said you come off condescending. you say it's our fault. again, your ego. did it ever occur to you that your demeanor rubs people poorly? perhaps if you're weren't so self-aggrandizing, people would be a bit more receptive to listening to your points. but when your language says "you're stupid and i will explain the world to you," people are enver going to hear the message after the insult. and the fact that MANY people perceive you that way indicates that your tone creates that effect, REGARDLESS of what your intent is. you, above all people, should understand this... given the way you said that stalker never intended to hurt his victim, he thought he loved her. but i think it became pretty clear that just becos your intent is one thing, does not mean that your execution is in line with it.
All that sounds pretty condescending Soulsinging. Do you see the irony in your post?
let me get this straight... you are saying that the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who have expressed an opinion on it agree that you come off like an arrogant and condescending person... that EVERYONE is wrong EXCEPT you? and that me pointing this out makes me condescending?
dont get me wrong, im probably the most arrogant prick i know and condescend more than most, but not in this one right here. im just trying to help you spread your gospel dude. and it starts by getting people to listen to you rather than dismiss you as a jerk who likes to hear himself talk too much.
haha, that's funny, since you listen the least. But hey, I appreciate the support. None of this compares to the PMs I get.
This is the level of respect I get 'round here. All I do is share my knowledge and advice. I wasn't twisting Earthgirl's arm to take my advice. It's fine that people want to provide her with support and comfort, but her initial post read "okay... in need of some advice..." which is the angle I was coming from. I never received any statements from Earthgirl that suggested my advice was not welcome. If it truly was insensitive or rude, I'd expect her to say something. Since sensitivity and politeness are somewhat subjective, it really doesn't matter what the flocking boytoys think about it. Perhaps I simply don't see Earthgirl as weak as these others do, I think she has a great deal of strength and was in-fact looking for advice, not for people to exagerate her situation, to make this man appear as a demon-spawn, and coddle her as a baby. I could be wrong, but that is entirely up to her to say.
what i'm talking about ryan is when you go all clinical(as in the stalker thread) when all that is required is a little support and compassion. and no i dont think i am being unveiled whilst you remain hidden at all. but truth be told, if i said half the things that are in my head i'd have everyone jumping down my throat, when all i want is a discussion without the polarising that goes on. i want you to tell us what you think without constantly backing to up with links and facts. there's nothing wrong with empirical posting.
yes, you are not the only person who when they say these things is considered condescending. but you seem to do it all the time and we don't get to see the rest of your personality. i do like to read what you have to say but sometimes it feels like a shield.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Why do you assume that Earthgirl wanted "comfort and support" when she began her thread with "okay... need some advice..."?
I am saying what I feel, it just happens to be based on a strong foundation of empirical facts and I post those to accompany my view.
actually ryan what i think earthgirl wanted was validation that how she was handling the situation was the right way. which in my opinion it wasn't. she knew what she should have done and yet she was on a forum asking us. i thought she was making herself more of a victim than was necessary. anyone with or even without custody of children should not have been in an empty house knowing that a stalker was out there somewhere just waiting for opportunity. you are never safe inside your own home if someone is determined to get to you.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i listen the least becos you're arrogant and condescending. you're as annoying as the evangelicals who talk only about jesus and refuse to consider that their ideology isn't the only one out there that makes sense and has some validity. i have fun fucking with people like you and poking holes in your narrow-minded ideology, but i dont take anything you say seriously.
and yes, earthgirl's thread was asking for advice. but then the guy assaulted her. at that point, any advice was moot becos it was too late, the damage was done and she specifically said she didnt want to discuss it anymore. at that point, you became uncaring by persisting in waging your ideological war, putting your egotistical ideological preaching before her emotional needs. at that point, you just say you're sorry, you're there if she needs you, and you leave it at that. you dont lecture her about how misunderstood the guy that just attacked her is and how we should all feel sorry for and help HIM instead of HER.
becos the thread changed when she was assaulted and it was too late for advice. at that point, no advice can undo the assault. only compassion to heal the wounds she suffered.
Apparently safer than at the bar
I don't agree with you.
Ive got you deep in the heart of me
So deep in my heart, that you're really a part of me
Ive got you under my skin
Ive tried so not to give in
Ive said to myself this affair never will go so well
But why should I try to resist, when baby will I know than well
That Ive got you under my skin
Dont you know you fool, you never can win
Use your mentality, wake up to reality
But each time I do, just the thought of you
Makes me stop before I begin
cause Ive got you under my skin
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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lol, poking-holes, you should flush the holes out your own theories there big guy.
Earthgirl isn't dead is she? Then it's not over.
i dont have many theories, and what theories i do have i have becos they work for me, but i would never present them as the absolute truth or tell everyone else that they should accept them or that they are stupid if they do not.
and no, she's not dead. but she is recuperating, and SHE SAID SHE DID NOT WANT TO DISCUSS IT. that means the advice stops and we tell her we are here for her. she has people in the real world to ACTUALLY look after her and that is what they are doing for her now. if she wants us, she will tell us. but until then, we ought to respect her wishes, bid her our best, and check our egos at the door.
You haven't poked any holes in my theories.
If you read the thread again, you will see that I stopped giving my advice and only took the defense against the hordes of ignornat clones.
precisely. becos your ego would not allow you to step down out of respect for her. your ego demanded you prove them all wrong, no matter what effect it had on her. you didnt even have to admit defeat, just let it all pass and bow out and take your views elsewhere to be debated. but you could not do that... why?
Why couldn't anyone else? These so-called friends of hers. I honestly don't think it had a negative effect on her. I'll believe that when she says it herself. What is with you arrogant people putting words in someone's mouth when they can just as easily speak for themselves?
becos they were heated and emotional. a friend was assaulted by a crazy man and they wanted to offer their support and they were insulted by your insensitive and ego-stroking proselytizing.