This is so ironic it's not even funny.
At one stage fully one third of inmates of gaols in Queensland had been raised as children in state funded, Church run "Homes". These boys were mostly ophans or had beent aken from their parents for various reasons. They were rasied in a loveless environment, whre they were fed poorly and misytreated. There was no positive role modelling and all education was punitive in nature. Beatings, physical violence and sexual abuse prevailed. There was no recognition of grief a child may have felt for loss of parents or family. The result was that these boys grew up to be social outcasts, misfits and criminals.
TYhis problem has had so much impact that our State Govt in in teh process of formulating a compensation packae to provide medical, empoyment support and mental health care for these men, several decades later.
So much for the church loving criminals, they should, they created them !!!
I very much doubt that Ausrtalia is unique in this fashion.
BTW ahnimus, I went to lunch.
again, the christians would say this was becos some christians distort the message and abuse their position of authority. you put determinism in some sort of authoritative state and people will abuse it to the same ends. the jails will just be run by scientists performing electroshock treatments or lobotomies or surgeries on inmates and whatnot for the purpose of curing them.
again, the christians would say this was becos some christians distort the message and abuse their position of authority. you put determinism in some sort of authoritative state and people will abuse it to the same ends. the jails will just be run by scientists performing electroshock treatments or lobotomies or surgeries on inmates and whatnot for the purpose of curing them.
The actual method is to regrow dead brain regions by hyperstimulation. Though I'm not certain the exact method. Electroshock and lobotomies have been out of comission since the invention of neuroscience.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The actual method is to regrow dead brain regions by hyperstimulation. Though I'm not certain the exact method. Electroshock and lobotomies have been out of comission since the invention of neuroscience.
and that goes against everything freedom stands for. where does it end? do we mess with everybody's brain chemistry becos we think we can make it "better"? pedophile? we've got an operation for that. serial rapist, we can fix that by stimulation. gay? get an operation. believe in jesus? we can cut that part out of you. you don't believe determinism? you're clearly malfunctioning, we will fix you, sit down, strap in, all better!
i cannot believe you are the one decrying christianity's drive to produce docile homogeneity.
Choose to work on Russell's dog house until you pimp it out (past level 4) or until your brain melts...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and that goes against everything freedom stands for. where does it end? do we mess with everybody's brain chemistry becos we think we can make it "better"? pedophile? we've got an operation for that. serial rapist, we can fix that by stimulation. gay? get an operation. believe in jesus? we can cut that part out of you. you don't believe determinism? you're clearly malfunctioning, we will fix you, sit down, strap in, all better!
i cannot believe you are the one decrying christianity's drive to produce docile homogeneity.
Freedom? You think a person being physically abused as a child is freedom?
A lot of times, a child is abused and it damages their brain, a person could be in a serious accident, like Phineas Gage, a classic example of a man's brain being impaled by a railroad spike, it caught him in the pre-frontal lobe where all that advanced stuff happens. He was a changed man, he became aggressive and violent, although the extent of which is under question. Gage was the first inclination that the brain is vitally important to decision making and behavior. I don't consider a person free who has a damaged brain. If you found out a part of your brain was dead, wouldn't you feel ripped off? Like you were denied a normal life? It doesn't matter what a person believes, as much as it matters that their brain is intact. You can't really change what a person believes by lobotomizing them. You can only reduce their capacity and remove functions.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
They can stay in the past where they belong. I'm reading up-to-date scientific results and philosophy.
I used to have a lot of respect for you Dan, but lately you aren't adding to the topics. This is just verbal diahrrea.
Why thank you.
I am not addin much to topics lately cause I'm busier than a rabbit in mating-season juggling 2 jobs, applying for others, girlfriend back being long time away, travelling and generally having little time to sit on the net at length. (apart from 2 hours this tuesday) Hence, my comments usually are just quick comments with a humorous slant. As in this case. I have long since missed the boat on this thread, and couldn't resist a word on an interesting heads up of posters. Sue me.
(edit) it may seem you interpreted this as an attack on you from me, after reading a bit more of this thread. It wasn't. I was just kicking back watching 2 completely at odds notions about to battle it out. Literate deconstructionism/post modernism vs hard science. There was no opnion of you embedded, except perhaps implicitly that I view you as a person who takes to official science pretty often.
Maybe when things quiet down I may return and post more comprehensively. Planning on making a thread concerning "The Holographic Universe" when I'm done reading it, actually.
I have respect for you too for the threads you make and good debates, but often, slinging of derogatives for no real reason makes me lose my respect for you.
You may all continue with the thread now. This is a side-track.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Freedom? You think a person being physically abused as a child is freedom?
A lot of times, a child is abused and it damages their brain, a person could be in a serious accident, like Phineas Gage, a classic example of a man's brain being impaled by a railroad spike, it caught him in the pre-frontal lobe where all that advanced stuff happens. He was a changed man, he became aggressive and violent, although the extent of which is under question. Gage was the first inclination that the brain is vitally important to decision making and behavior. I don't consider a person free who has a damaged brain. If you found out a part of your brain was dead, wouldn't you feel ripped off? Like you were denied a normal life? It doesn't matter what a person believes, as much as it matters that their brain is intact. You can't really change what a person believes by lobotomizing them. You can only reduce their capacity and remove functions.
the point is once you ok the government tinkering with people's brains in the name of rehabilitating criminals, other people will take it and run with it as a means of rehabilitating undesirable traits... like homosexuality and so on. your determinism views will not suddenly cure society and make it a utopia, they will be twisted and perverted to rationalize atrocities in the same manner christianity has been, and every other philosophical belief system has been.
the point is once you ok the government tinkering with people's brains in the name of rehabilitating criminals, other people will take it and run with it as a means of rehabilitating undesirable traits... like homosexuality and so on. your determinism views will not suddenly cure society and make it a utopia, they will be twisted and perverted to rationalize atrocities in the same manner christianity has been, and every other philosophical belief system has been.
Is that worse than what we have now? Now people are being wrongfully imprisoned. People with brain defects are being imprisoned for their misfortune.
Certainly our current system doesn't allow for any good, other than to isolate people from society, which the new system also provides.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
not that all this isn't fascinating, but how does it relate to the original question?
If a tree falls on your car while your on a flight to the Bahamas, is your car still smashed? Yes.
Believing something is true, makes it true? No.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Is that worse than what we have now? Now people are being wrongfully imprisoned. People with brain defects are being imprisoned for their misfortune.
Certainly our current system doesn't allow for any good, other than to isolate people from society, which the new system also provides.
you're wrong. that is not all we have. there are plenty of options for mental health care. i myself was funneled into rehab thanks to the justice system. granted, they are not that extensive as of yet, but it is a growing movement.
furthermore, yes, it IS worse than what we have now. forced surgeries are far more troubling than locking somebody up. one's thoughts are as personal and private as it gets. depriving someone of physical freedom is one thing. depriving them of the freedom of their thoughts by government mandated force is horrifying.
To an extent, but there are flaws in his argument. In showing that it is impossible to make a point because language always differs intrinsically, like an internal dialogue, and defers and denies authoritative, monologic meaning, he sets about deferring his own argument: that's all well and good, but isn't he just finding a way to, er, make his point, that he can't make his point?
you're wrong. that is not all we have. there are plenty of options for mental health care. i myself was funneled into rehab thanks to the justice system. granted, they are not that extensive as of yet, but it is a growing movement.
furthermore, yes, it IS worse than what we have now. forced surgeries are far more troubling than locking somebody up. one's thoughts are as personal and private as it gets. depriving someone of physical freedom is one thing. depriving them of the freedom of their thoughts by government mandated force is horrifying.
I'm not proposing forced thoughts or surgery. Get back to me when you understand brain rehabilitation.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
that is a medical procedure dude. forcing medical procedures on people is, thank god, a clear violation of the us constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. we do not neuter sex offenders, we do not cut the hands off shoplifters, and we do not mess with people's brain chemistry. besides, your link talks about rehab after injuries, not morphing criminals into law abiding citizens.
So cate, I'm really curious to hear what you have to say.
What your thoughts are on existence.
I'm dead keen to hear from others about their thoughts too.
Just for a change.
if i can taste it, see it, feel it, hear it, or touch it, then to me it exists. i also do not believe that something needs to take on corporeal form in order to vaildate it's existence. my thoughts exist purely because i bring them into being. the fact that they exist only in my head matters not.
that was not my original question. the question was about existence not truthfulness.
Ok, well, still no.
It's a touchy thing I guess. I agree with Angelica and self-manifestation, but I don't believe it's actually manifestation. I think if we set out to achieve something, we can, not always, but most of the time. That doesn't mean I can imagine a hot 20 year old redhead to appear on my bed. If that happened, I would be the only one to see her. Then it's a hallucination.
The way I see it, there is external reality, that which actually does exist. Then there is our perception of reality. Within our perception we could see, hear, smell, taste or feel anything, we can have any kind of experience. Whether or not it correlates with reality is a question of sanity. On the other hand, if I wanted a hot 20 year old redhead, enough trips to the bar and I'd pick one up. If I got passed any shyness or inhibitions I have, then it would be a probability of finding one.
This guy on Youtube says he lost his original green lantern ring. He went looking for it, searched everywhere and just as he was about to give up, he found it, it was buried in the concrete. He calls it self-manifestation. Well, first of all, he was always about to give up, he was about to give up whenever he found it. Until then he wasn't giving up. Secondly, we aren't always aware of everything our brains do, he just found himself wandering down a path he didn't know why, but that's where he found the ring. Something in his brain told him to go that way. I can see these two groups of neurons, screaming out two different thoughts "I'm not going to find it." and "It's over here!". But because this idea "I'm not going to find it." is so strong, pessimism causes this huge collection of neurons to feel this way. While the neurons actually associated with the location of the ring are small. Everything gets stored in neurons as memory, but if it doesn't refire it dies off over time. This idea "I'm not going to find it." applies to any search and can become quite a powerful notion drowning out any conscious awareness of the "It's over here." thought. I read on average it takes people 17 times to hear something and remember it. The strength of thoughts seems to correlate with neurons and synapses. My theory is, when we have a thought, there are a lot more thoughts there we aren't aware of. But awareness doesn't necissarily mean it's any use to the immediate decision, or rather an awareness of a decision made or a large group of neurons firing. This guy managed to retrace his steps without knowing that he'd been there before, but he must have to lose the ring there.
I swear to you if I could illustrate and animate my thoughts on consciousness, the brain and reality, it would make sense. It is a clearer explanation of reality and humans than any other. It surprisingly allows for many of the experiences people claim to have, mystics or what not. It just explains all of it objectively. I just can't find the words for it. I'm sorry.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I swear to you if I could illustrate and animate my thoughts on consciousness, the brain and reality, it would make sense. It is a clearer explanation of reality and humans than any other. It surprisingly allows for many of the experiences people claim to have, mystics or what not. It just explains all of it objectively. I just can't find the words for it. I'm sorry.
swear all you like ryan. your thoughts on consciousness or anything else for that matter do not exist for me.
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hold my hand
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I swear to you if I could illustrate and animate my thoughts on consciousness, the brain and reality, it would make sense. It is a clearer explanation of reality and humans than any other. It surprisingly allows for many of the experiences people claim to have, mystics or what not. It just explains all of it objectively. I just can't find the words for it. I'm sorry.
...for someone to believe it does. agree/disagree?
in much simpler terms (sorry, not as "educated" and wordy as some)
exist- to have being. to continue to be. live.
being- existence. life. the qualities or constitution of an existent thing. a living thing.
belief- confidence, trust. something believed.
to exist is to be physically seen, touched, tasted, etc.
to believe is to have faith that what you feel is real.
a believer may say something exists that they have not physically seen or touched, but really it is just faith, a feeling in the mind and heart that it exists.
belief/faith is so necessary in humans. it motivates, captivates and makes one dream.
This is a trick, but if asked to explain what an apple is.
1 : the fleshy usually rounded red, yellow, or green edible pome fruit of a usually cultivated tree (genus Malus) of the rose family; also : an apple tree -- compare CRAB APPLE
Do I then explain what fleshy, usually, rounded, red, yellow, green, edible, pome, fruit, cultivated, tree, malus, rose and family mean?
At some point, it's just english, as children we learn symbols for things which would otherwise not have symbols. An apple is an apple because it's an apple. It's not circular logic, it's just language.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
My 3 year old niece believes unicorns exist. So do they? No, of course not. Seems like a silly question to ask if someone thinks it exist then does it.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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My 3 year old niece believes unicorns exist. So do they? No, of course not. Seems like a silly question to ask if someone thinks it exist then does it.
They exist in her experience and in her worldview or else you wouldn't be telling us about them. It would be a non-issue.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
My 3 year old niece believes unicorns exist. So do they? No, of course not. Seems like a silly question to ask if someone thinks it exist then does it.
Strange.... this young child you speak of knows of a mythical beast called....Unicorn, yet...somehow I also know of the mythical horned flying creature. How is this possible?
Something that is not real, and does not seem to exist...yet somehow exists...
hmm
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Strange.... this young child you speak of knows of a mythical beast called....Unicorn, yet...somehow I also know of the mythical horned flying creature. How is this possible?
Something that is not real, and does not seem to exist...yet somehow exists...
hmm
It exists as a concept with an associated set of neurons. Removing those neurons will cause the concept to no longer exist.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It exists as a concept with an associated set of neurons. Removing those neurons will cause the concept to no longer exist.
Interesting how thoughts can be so contagious. I would have loved to witness the very first human become sentient... It probably would have been both incredible and hilarious at the same time. The smile on his face and look in his eyes after a few minutes of thinking what the faa?...would be priceless...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Interesting how thoughts can be so contagious. I would have loved to witness the very first human become sentient... It probably would have been both incredible and hilarious at the same time. The smile on his face and look in his eyes after a few minutes of thinking what the faa?...would be priceless...
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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It has more validity because it celebrates having less! If ya git meh.
and you subscribe to derrida's notion fins?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
again, the christians would say this was becos some christians distort the message and abuse their position of authority. you put determinism in some sort of authoritative state and people will abuse it to the same ends. the jails will just be run by scientists performing electroshock treatments or lobotomies or surgeries on inmates and whatnot for the purpose of curing them.
The actual method is to regrow dead brain regions by hyperstimulation. Though I'm not certain the exact method. Electroshock and lobotomies have been out of comission since the invention of neuroscience.
Check it http://www.brainsource.com/criminal_brain.htm
and that goes against everything freedom stands for. where does it end? do we mess with everybody's brain chemistry becos we think we can make it "better"? pedophile? we've got an operation for that. serial rapist, we can fix that by stimulation. gay? get an operation. believe in jesus? we can cut that part out of you. you don't believe determinism? you're clearly malfunctioning, we will fix you, sit down, strap in, all better!
i cannot believe you are the one decrying christianity's drive to produce docile homogeneity.
http://www.cbc.ca/kidscbc/nanashelper.html
Choose to work on Russell's dog house until you pimp it out (past level 4) or until your brain melts...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Freedom? You think a person being physically abused as a child is freedom?
A lot of times, a child is abused and it damages their brain, a person could be in a serious accident, like Phineas Gage, a classic example of a man's brain being impaled by a railroad spike, it caught him in the pre-frontal lobe where all that advanced stuff happens. He was a changed man, he became aggressive and violent, although the extent of which is under question. Gage was the first inclination that the brain is vitally important to decision making and behavior. I don't consider a person free who has a damaged brain. If you found out a part of your brain was dead, wouldn't you feel ripped off? Like you were denied a normal life? It doesn't matter what a person believes, as much as it matters that their brain is intact. You can't really change what a person believes by lobotomizing them. You can only reduce their capacity and remove functions.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Why thank you.
I am not addin much to topics lately cause I'm busier than a rabbit in mating-season juggling 2 jobs, applying for others, girlfriend back being long time away, travelling and generally having little time to sit on the net at length. (apart from 2 hours this tuesday) Hence, my comments usually are just quick comments with a humorous slant. As in this case. I have long since missed the boat on this thread, and couldn't resist a word on an interesting heads up of posters. Sue me.
(edit) it may seem you interpreted this as an attack on you from me, after reading a bit more of this thread. It wasn't. I was just kicking back watching 2 completely at odds notions about to battle it out. Literate deconstructionism/post modernism vs hard science. There was no opnion of you embedded, except perhaps implicitly that I view you as a person who takes to official science pretty often.
Maybe when things quiet down I may return and post more comprehensively. Planning on making a thread concerning "The Holographic Universe" when I'm done reading it, actually.
I have respect for you too for the threads you make and good debates, but often, slinging of derogatives for no real reason makes me lose my respect for you.
You may all continue with the thread now. This is a side-track.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
the point is once you ok the government tinkering with people's brains in the name of rehabilitating criminals, other people will take it and run with it as a means of rehabilitating undesirable traits... like homosexuality and so on. your determinism views will not suddenly cure society and make it a utopia, they will be twisted and perverted to rationalize atrocities in the same manner christianity has been, and every other philosophical belief system has been.
Is that worse than what we have now? Now people are being wrongfully imprisoned. People with brain defects are being imprisoned for their misfortune.
Certainly our current system doesn't allow for any good, other than to isolate people from society, which the new system also provides.
If a tree falls on your car while your on a flight to the Bahamas, is your car still smashed? Yes.
Believing something is true, makes it true? No.
you're wrong. that is not all we have. there are plenty of options for mental health care. i myself was funneled into rehab thanks to the justice system. granted, they are not that extensive as of yet, but it is a growing movement.
furthermore, yes, it IS worse than what we have now. forced surgeries are far more troubling than locking somebody up. one's thoughts are as personal and private as it gets. depriving someone of physical freedom is one thing. depriving them of the freedom of their thoughts by government mandated force is horrifying.
To an extent, but there are flaws in his argument. In showing that it is impossible to make a point because language always differs intrinsically, like an internal dialogue, and defers and denies authoritative, monologic meaning, he sets about deferring his own argument: that's all well and good, but isn't he just finding a way to, er, make his point, that he can't make his point?
I'm not proposing forced thoughts or surgery. Get back to me when you understand brain rehabilitation.
http://www.brainsource.com/brain_rehabilitation.htm
that is a medical procedure dude. forcing medical procedures on people is, thank god, a clear violation of the us constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. we do not neuter sex offenders, we do not cut the hands off shoplifters, and we do not mess with people's brain chemistry. besides, your link talks about rehab after injuries, not morphing criminals into law abiding citizens.
if i can taste it, see it, feel it, hear it, or touch it, then to me it exists. i also do not believe that something needs to take on corporeal form in order to vaildate it's existence. my thoughts exist purely because i bring them into being. the fact that they exist only in my head matters not.
that was not my original question. the question was about existence not truthfulness.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ok, well, still no.
It's a touchy thing I guess. I agree with Angelica and self-manifestation, but I don't believe it's actually manifestation. I think if we set out to achieve something, we can, not always, but most of the time. That doesn't mean I can imagine a hot 20 year old redhead to appear on my bed. If that happened, I would be the only one to see her. Then it's a hallucination.
The way I see it, there is external reality, that which actually does exist. Then there is our perception of reality. Within our perception we could see, hear, smell, taste or feel anything, we can have any kind of experience. Whether or not it correlates with reality is a question of sanity. On the other hand, if I wanted a hot 20 year old redhead, enough trips to the bar and I'd pick one up. If I got passed any shyness or inhibitions I have, then it would be a probability of finding one.
This guy on Youtube says he lost his original green lantern ring. He went looking for it, searched everywhere and just as he was about to give up, he found it, it was buried in the concrete. He calls it self-manifestation. Well, first of all, he was always about to give up, he was about to give up whenever he found it. Until then he wasn't giving up. Secondly, we aren't always aware of everything our brains do, he just found himself wandering down a path he didn't know why, but that's where he found the ring. Something in his brain told him to go that way. I can see these two groups of neurons, screaming out two different thoughts "I'm not going to find it." and "It's over here!". But because this idea "I'm not going to find it." is so strong, pessimism causes this huge collection of neurons to feel this way. While the neurons actually associated with the location of the ring are small. Everything gets stored in neurons as memory, but if it doesn't refire it dies off over time. This idea "I'm not going to find it." applies to any search and can become quite a powerful notion drowning out any conscious awareness of the "It's over here." thought. I read on average it takes people 17 times to hear something and remember it. The strength of thoughts seems to correlate with neurons and synapses. My theory is, when we have a thought, there are a lot more thoughts there we aren't aware of. But awareness doesn't necissarily mean it's any use to the immediate decision, or rather an awareness of a decision made or a large group of neurons firing. This guy managed to retrace his steps without knowing that he'd been there before, but he must have to lose the ring there.
I swear to you if I could illustrate and animate my thoughts on consciousness, the brain and reality, it would make sense. It is a clearer explanation of reality and humans than any other. It surprisingly allows for many of the experiences people claim to have, mystics or what not. It just explains all of it objectively. I just can't find the words for it. I'm sorry.
swear all you like ryan. your thoughts on consciousness or anything else for that matter do not exist for me.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
your ego never fails to astound me.
in much simpler terms (sorry, not as "educated" and wordy as some)
exist- to have being. to continue to be. live.
being- existence. life. the qualities or constitution of an existent thing. a living thing.
belief- confidence, trust. something believed.
to exist is to be physically seen, touched, tasted, etc.
to believe is to have faith that what you feel is real.
a believer may say something exists that they have not physically seen or touched, but really it is just faith, a feeling in the mind and heart that it exists.
belief/faith is so necessary in humans. it motivates, captivates and makes one dream.
circular logic rules!
They are simply synonyms.
This is a trick, but if asked to explain what an apple is.
1 : the fleshy usually rounded red, yellow, or green edible pome fruit of a usually cultivated tree (genus Malus) of the rose family; also : an apple tree -- compare CRAB APPLE
Do I then explain what fleshy, usually, rounded, red, yellow, green, edible, pome, fruit, cultivated, tree, malus, rose and family mean?
At some point, it's just english, as children we learn symbols for things which would otherwise not have symbols. An apple is an apple because it's an apple. It's not circular logic, it's just language.
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Strange.... this young child you speak of knows of a mythical beast called....Unicorn, yet...somehow I also know of the mythical horned flying creature. How is this possible?
Something that is not real, and does not seem to exist...yet somehow exists...
hmm
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It exists as a concept with an associated set of neurons. Removing those neurons will cause the concept to no longer exist.
Interesting how thoughts can be so contagious. I would have loved to witness the very first human become sentient... It probably would have been both incredible and hilarious at the same time. The smile on his face and look in his eyes after a few minutes of thinking what the faa?...would be priceless...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!