becos the women around here dont hate me enough already
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MrBrian wrote:in some situations, of course. it only makes sense.
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Alright, we are back in 1950.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
hippiemom wrote:I think it's hysterically funny that, out of all the gender issues in our society, you're actually taking time out of your day to complain about holding doors and carrying bags.
Sure, if she never does a favor for you, she should by all means carry her own bag. On the other hand, if she does things for you and it's easier for you to carry the bag, then why not carry it?
These threads make me wonder what sort of relationships you guys are involved in, and what really piques my curiosity is why the hell you'd stay in them. Sounds like you've been sucked in by some strange subculture of women who only keep you around for the open doors and heart-shaped boxes of chocolate. It doesn't have to be this way, really!
Hahahaha ... boys are so funny
That's mostly the way it is. Also, if a woman doesn't carry her own bag, then she will not develop the muscles to carry it efficiently. It's possible men are strong from millenia of carrying women's bags and opening doors for them. Women are petite and so on naturally because they've been waited on.
I don't honestly think that's true, but metaphorically it might be.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:That's mostly the way it is. Also, if a woman doesn't carry her own bag, then she will not develop the muscles to carry it efficiently. It's possible men are strong from millenia of carrying women's bags and opening doors for them. Women are petite and so on naturally because they've been waited on.
I don't honestly think that's true, but metaphorically it might be.
wait wait wait, now that I think about it, the girls bags won't be so heavy if they just packed less clothing. I mean my bags are always much lighter then whenever I travel with the females. it's like they carry bricks.0 -
hippiemom wrote:I think it's hysterically funny that, out of all the gender issues in our society, you're actually taking time out of your day to complain about holding doors and carrying bags.
It's hilarious aswell that women complain about not being able to work jobs that require physical labour, but expect men to carry their bags.
Actually my biggest issues of inequality are Domestic Violence disputes and Child Custody battles. Or the fact that society in general trusts women more than men. Statistically speaking, society is wrong on all of these issues.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:That's mostly the way it is. Also, if a woman doesn't carry her own bag, then she will not develop the muscles to carry it efficiently. It's possible men are strong from millenia of carrying women's bags and opening doors for them. Women are petite and so on naturally because they've been waited on.
I don't honestly think that's true, but metaphorically it might be.
My suggestion ... if she likes it when you carry the bag, then carry the bag. I'm sure she does things for you just because you like them too. If not, dump her. See how simple this is?"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 19630 -
MrBrian wrote:wait wait wait, now that I think about it, the girls bags won't be so heavy if they just packed less clothing. I mean my bags are always much lighter then whenever I travel with the females. it's like they carry bricks.
Haha that too, maybe if they had to carry them, they'd pack less. Like men who fully expect to handle their own luggage.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
hippiemom wrote:But more importantly, who gives a fuck? Do you keep score in your relationships? That's a sure-fire recipe for unhappiness.
My suggestion ... if she likes it when you carry the bag, then carry the bag. I'm sure she does things for you just because you like them too. If not, dump her. See how simple this is?
On an individual bases, but we are discussing social norms and gender roles. Not my ex-girlfriend.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
When your "equality" carries an obligation for someone else, you're probably not actually talking about equality. Most likely, you're talking about the opposite.0
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Ahnimus wrote:On an individual bases, but we are discussing social norms and gender roles.
Where do you think "social norms" and "gender roles" come from, if not individuals?0 -
farfromglorified wrote:Where do you think "social norms" and "gender roles" come from, if not individuals?
A collection of all individuals.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:A collection of all individuals.
Ok...so you can see the relationship between the actions of individuals and the creation of "gender roles" and "social norms"? That makes me wonder why you said this:
"On an individual bases, but we are discussing social norms and gender roles"0 -
Ahnimus wrote:On an individual bases, but we are discussing social norms and gender roles. Not my ex-girlfriend."Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 19630
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hippiemom wrote:Do you think women in large numbers are adopting the types of behavior that drive men away?
From the footage I've seen....yes0 -
hippiemom wrote:Where do you think these gender roles come from? Do you think women in large numbers are adopting the types of behavior that drive men away? That doesn't seem likely, now does it?
Western gender roles are rooted in thousands of years of individual contribution. That's what I'm referring to, if one person out of a trillion that have come and gone throughout the evolution of society, feels a certain way, it doesn't speak for all of society.
Society as a whole now is merely a collection of individuals, but, since most of these individuals are mere sheep to the norms set out by the previous generations, I don't see how they can be equal things. Social norms are the collection of opinions from a collection of trillions of individuals over a collection of several thousand years.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
lol, I just thought of an analogy to the questions the two of you have asked.
Why are you talking about consciousness as if it's different than the neurons in your brain? Oh wait, cause it's a collection of neurons, that ontologically give rise to a subjective state of awareness, where no single neuron creates the whole picture, but all working collectively create the picture.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
Ahnimus wrote:Western gender roles are rooted in thousands of years of individual contribution. That's what I'm referring to, if one person out of a trillion that have come and gone throughout the evolution of society, feels a certain way, it doesn't speak for all of society.
Huh? What the hell do you think you're doing here:
"What hasn't changed is their desire for some level of chivalry. As if true equality makes Valentine's day a woman's day. As if a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring."
This speaks for "all of society", in your opinion?Society as a whole now is merely a collection of individuals, but, since most of these individuals are mere sheep to the norms set out by the previous generations, I don't see how they can be equal things.
Equal to what? It intruiges me that you would say the above.Social norms are the collection of opinions from a collection of trillions of individuals over a collection of several thousand years.
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Ahnimus wrote:lol, I just thought of an analogy to the questions the two of you have asked.
Why are you talking about consciousness as if it's different than the neurons in your brain?
Who is doing this?Oh wait, cause it's a collection of neurons, that ontologically give rise to a subjective state of awareness, where no single neuron creates the whole picture, but all working collectively create the picture.
Yes. Why is this so shocking or insightful?0 -
farfromglorified wrote:Huh? What the hell do you think you're doing here:
"What hasn't changed is their desire for some level of chivalry. As if true equality makes Valentine's day a woman's day. As if a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring."
This speaks for "all of society", in your opinion?
No, it's called a social norm.Equal to what? It intruiges me that you would say the above.This is cool.I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire0 -
hippiemom wrote:If the expectation of fancy presents and diamond rings have been a big problem in your life, what can I say .... you've been hanging out with the wrong women.
Maybe I know a lot of the wrong women but it doesn't seem like too long ago that they gave themselves a raise in the engagement ring department from two months' salary to three.0 -
hippiemom wrote:Wow, talk about getting bogged down in trivialities! Valentine's Day? This is what you're worked up about, gender inequalities inherent in Valentine's Day celebrations? Miffed that you might be expected to open a door?
If the expectation of fancy presents and diamond rings have been a big problem in your life, what can I say .... you've been hanging out with the wrong women.
But you can't deny what he's talking about isn't indicative of all society.0
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