becos the women around here dont hate me enough already

soulsinging
soulsinging Posts: 13,202
edited April 2007 in A Moving Train
interesting study:

http://www.slate.com/id/2162652/

"A Swedish government study finds a "trade-off between gender equality … and public health." The study compared absenteeism, disability, and life expectancy data among nearly 300 municipalities. It checked the data against nine indicators of equality in public and private employment, such as average income and the percentages of men and women in executive jobs. Result: "Gender equality … correlated with poorer health for both men and women." Researchers' theories: 1) Women have taken on more male burdens, but men haven't reciprocated, so women are overburdened. 2) Men suffer from having "lost many of their old privileges." 3) Women have "greater opportunities for risky behavior as a result of increased income." Conservative spin: Told you so. Liberal spin: It's not real equality till men do their part. (Previous update: Housework prevents breast cancer. For Human Nature's takes on male-female differences in violence, child abuse, and vengeance, click here, here, and here.)"
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  • boxwine_in_hell
    boxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    soulsinging wrote:
    interesting study:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2162652/

    "A Swedish government study finds a "trade-off between gender equality … and public health." The study compared absenteeism, disability, and life expectancy data among nearly 300 municipalities. It checked the data against nine indicators of equality in public and private employment, such as average income and the percentages of men and women in executive jobs. Result: "Gender equality … correlated with poorer health for both men and women." Researchers' theories: 1) Women have taken on more male burdens, but men haven't reciprocated, so women are overburdened. 2) Men suffer from having "lost many of their old privileges." 3) Women have "greater opportunities for risky behavior as a result of increased income." Conservative spin: Told you so. Liberal spin: It's not real equality till men do their part. (Previous update: Housework prevents breast cancer. For Human Nature's takes on male-female differences in violence, child abuse, and vengeance, click here, here, and here.)"


    Sounds like some dude got sick of cooking his own dinner so he did a "study"....lol.
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    the other foot in the gutter
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    I think I'd rather smother
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    soulsinging wrote:
    3) Women have "greater opportunities for risky behavior as a result of increased income."


    i like the sound of that :p
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    It's not true gender equality either way.

    Currently all we've seen is a reduction in female responsibilities and an increase in female job acceptance. What hasn't changed is their desire for some level of chivalry. As if true equality makes Valentine's day a woman's day. As if a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring.

    Gender Roles encompass all aspects of society where men and women are expected to behave differently.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    I almost posted this exact same thing yesterday. Keep up the good fight soulsinging.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not true gender equality either way.

    Currently all we've seen is a reduction in female responsibilities and an increase in female job acceptance. What hasn't changed is their desire for some level of chivalry. As if true equality makes Valentine's day a woman's day. As if a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring.

    Gender Roles encompass all aspects of society where men and women are expected to behave differently.

    Yup. It always frustrates me when I hear about gender equality, but then I have to carry the heavier bags "cause I'm the guy". Or, its not ok to hit girls... Or the guy has to pay for the date (which my girlfriend and I don't do, we split)...

    Make up your minds.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's not true gender equality either way.

    Currently all we've seen is a reduction in female responsibilities and an increase in female job acceptance. What hasn't changed is their desire for some level of chivalry. As if true equality makes Valentine's day a woman's day. As if a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring.

    Gender Roles encompass all aspects of society where men and women are expected to behave differently.
    Wow, talk about getting bogged down in trivialities! Valentine's Day? This is what you're worked up about, gender inequalities inherent in Valentine's Day celebrations? Miffed that you might be expected to open a door?

    If the expectation of fancy presents and diamond rings have been a big problem in your life, what can I say .... you've been hanging out with the wrong women.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    yosi wrote:
    Yup. It always frustrates me when I hear about gender equality, but then I have to carry the heavier bags "cause I'm the guy". Or, its not ok to hit girls... Or the guy has to pay for the date (which my girlfriend and I don't do, we split)...

    Make up your minds.

    What about the matters of young women teachers getting off with nothing for having sex with a 15 year old student but reverse it for a man and he will be demonized (not that I agree with this sort of thing but using a current example of gender inequality).

    Read an article from a woman stating women should not be punsished the same for these types of sexual assaults because there is different underlying phsycological reasons for her doing it than a man.

    Bullshit I say.

    I agree gender equality seems to be only situationally based.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    The story about guys staring at George Brett's crotch more than women on the link you provided is kind of a neat study.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    Wow, talk about getting bogged down in trivialities! Valentine's Day? This is what you're worked up about, gender inequalities inherent in Valentine's Day celebrations? Miffed that you might be expected to open a door?

    If the expectation of fancy presents and diamond rings have been a big problem in your life, what can I say .... you've been hanging out with the wrong women.

    I'm just stating facts. You seem to be worked up about it though. A little defensive? Hanging onto your hollow traditions? Blind herd-like following of a degrading consumerism?

    Women shouldn't want all that stuff because it's absolutely useless. I know women want to feel "loved" which is a byproduct of our western gender roles within which women are expected to behave this way and so they do. In other cultures this is not the case. Men, in western culture, are expected to behave quite the opposite, often times this leads to the illusion of women being "loved" by their partners who just buy them shit cause it's socially normal. It's all a big charade.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    What about the matters of young women teachers getting off with nothing for having sex with a 15 year old student but reverse it for a man and he will be demonized (not that I agree with this sort of thing but using a current example of gender inequality).

    Read an article from a woman stating women should not be punsished the same for these types of sexual assaults because there is different underlying phsycological reasons for her doing it than a man.

    Bullshit I say.

    I agree gender equality seems to be only situationally based.

    It's entirely situational. My perspective on the pedophilia thing is that it is no different. A 15 year old, regardless of gender, does not have a fully developed brain or a repertoire of experience to regulate their behavior. For the most part 15 year old boys and girls act on their perception of society and the basic hormonal changes they are experiencing. Even for a woman to engage in sexual relations with a teenage boy, is an exploitation of the boy. Absolutely no different than if the genders were reversed.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm just stating facts. You seem to be worked up about it though. A little defensive? Hanging onto your hollow traditions? Blind herd-like following of a degrading consumerism?

    Women shouldn't want all that stuff because it's absolutely useless. I know women want to feel "loved" which is a byproduct of our western gender roles within which women are expected to behave this way and so they do. In other cultures this is not the case. Men, in western culture, are expected to behave quite the opposite, often times this leads to the illusion of women being "loved" by their partners who just buy them shit cause it's socially normal. It's all a big charade.
    I'm not at all worked up, I'm laughing my ass off over here. I've never even celebrated Valentine's Day, I think it's a stupid holiday. I'm just saying that based on your opinions of women, I'd say it's pretty obvious you've been hanging with the wrong ones. Oh, and that this is trivial ... I also said that.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's entirely situational. My perspective on the pedophilia thing is that it is no different. A 15 year old, regardless of gender, does not have a fully developed brain or a repertoire of experience to regulate their behavior. For the most part 15 year old boys and girls act on their perception of society and the basic hormonal changes they are experiencing. Even for a woman to engage in sexual relations with a teenage boy, is an exploitation of the boy. Absolutely no different than if the genders were reversed.

    And WE all KNOW that in the eyes of the law things are hardly equal in these matters when it comes to the accused's gender.

    For a man throw away the key.
    For the woman let her go free.

    Pisses me off as its the law which is to be unbiased, but in this matter it is just another case of gender inequality.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    I'm not at all worked up, I'm laughing my ass off over here. I've never even celebrated Valentine's Day, I think it's a stupid holiday. I'm just saying that based on your opinions of women, I'd say it's pretty obvious you've been hanging with the wrong ones. Oh, and that this is trivial ... I also said that.

    So.. you agree. You got a strange way of saying it. :p
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    And WE all KNOW that in the eyes of the law things are hardly equal in these matters when it comes to the accused's gender.

    For a man throw away the key.
    For the woman let her go free.

    Pisses me off as its the law which is to be unbiased, but in this matter it is just another case of gender inequality.

    Add

    Domestice Violence

    and

    Child Custody

    to the mix of legal gender inequalities.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    yosi wrote:
    Yup. It always frustrates me when I hear about gender equality, but then I have to carry the heavier bags "cause I'm the guy". Or, its not ok to hit girls... Or the guy has to pay for the date (which my girlfriend and I don't do, we split)...

    Make up your minds.

    well it just makes sense for a guy to carry a heavier bag, I mean we are just built stronger, well most of the time anyway. that's just logical.

    holding doors and paying for meals, that's another story.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    MrBrian wrote:
    well it just makes sense for a guy to carry a heavier bag, I mean we are just built stronger, well most of the time anyway. that's just logical.

    holding doors and paying for meals, that's another story.

    If a man's muscle mass is sufficient justification for him to carry heavier loads. Shouldn't it also be justification for certain employers to only hire men?

    Or is this one of those situational biases?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Add

    Domestice Violence

    and

    Child Custody

    to the mix of legal gender inequalities.

    Yeah man it is so far from equal it is unbelievable.....
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    Yeah man it is so far from equal it is unbelievable.....

    Your telling me, I can't even seduce the judge.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Ahnimus wrote:
    If a man's muscle mass is sufficient justification for him to carry heavier loads. Shouldn't it also be justification for certain employers to only hire men?

    Or is this one of those situational biases?

    in some situations, of course. it only makes sense.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So.. you agree. You got a strange way of saying it. :p
    I think it's hysterically funny that, out of all the gender issues in our society, you're actually taking time out of your day to complain about holding doors and carrying bags.

    Sure, if she never does a favor for you, she should by all means carry her own bag. On the other hand, if she does things for you and it's easier for you to carry the bag, then why not carry it?

    These threads make me wonder what sort of relationships you guys are involved in, and what really piques my curiosity is why the hell you'd stay in them. Sounds like you've been sucked in by some strange subculture of women who only keep you around for the open doors and heart-shaped boxes of chocolate. It doesn't have to be this way, really!


    Hahahaha ... boys are so funny :D
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963

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