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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    OLS.
    It is no wonder that such a thread has a better reception at a farming forum. As i understand, for farmers it is a probable and possible investment, and thus is right up their alley. that, and I dont think that forum has the same high and loud level of quarreling as a default condition as it is here. Here, it drowns in other posts concerning environmental issues, and other political issues of the day. Concluding that noone here is interested in something because you didn't get much response to a single thread, is drawing it way too far. It could be timing, depending on who were on and noticed it, and had enough of an opinion to state it.

    Also, you probably should have posted it under a new name, if you wanted to gauge interest, because when you use your usual name, people see your name and tie to it all the baggage from other debates they may have had with you, or just read.

    As an opinion measure, it could have been useful, but I support angelica in that you can't extrapolate opinions where few or none were given.

    Peace
    Dan

    i agree with you dan. and it wasn't meant as a be all; end all; for the use of solar power. the thing is; a 9/11 conspiracy thread with NO CREDABLE EVIDENCE will attract more attention than a thread concerning ways to clean up the enviornment. i expected more from the people here. it gave a chance to question someone who uses solar power and not some company propaganda from someone trying to sell you something. but as i said; i really don't care. i won't be here to see what happens to the earth. the thread had plenty of views but nobody had questions or opinions. that's the saddening bit.
    peace
    ols
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Jeanie wrote:
    Nice! I love how you are now all going to argue with him about his study and completely gloss over what he said. :rolleyes:

    It amazes me how all of you run around professing to be so concerned for your fellow man and yet each and every time this man speaks it seemingly brings out the worst in you.

    Anyway, like he said he's not gonna be here to listen to it much longer. But just so you know, I think it's pathetic that so many of you supposedly
    "higher thinking" people are completely unable to show compassion.

    So who cares if you lot get solar power or not? I know I don't. Be nice if you could learn to be a little more considerate but that's probably not gonna happen either. The rest of us are used to knowing that Americans are the biggest consumers in the world and so caught up in yourselves that you don't even remember there's anybody else out here. We're used to it.

    So OLS, sorry to say, but solar and a whole bunch of other environmental options are not going to be taken up by people around here because most of them are middle class Americans and they got shopping and endless argueing about politics :rolleyes: to do. And I should try to remember that it is about the argueing. NOBODY ever seems to come here to debate something and then actually ACT. It's all piss and wind as far as I can see.

    When a debate/conversation starts by putting people down, the argument does not go over well, generally.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Jeanie wrote:
    Nice! I love how you are now all going to argue with him about his study and completely gloss over what he said. :rolleyes:

    It amazes me how all of you run around professing to be so concerned for your fellow man and yet each and every time this man speaks it seemingly brings out the worst in you.

    Anyway, like he said he's not gonna be here to listen to it much longer. But just so you know, I think it's pathetic that so many of you supposedly
    "higher thinking" people are completely unable to show compassion.

    So who cares if you lot get solar power or not? I know I don't. Be nice if you could learn to be a little more considerate but that's probably not gonna happen either. The rest of us are used to knowing that Americans are the biggest consumers in the world and so caught up in yourselves that you don't even remember there's anybody else out here. We're used to it.

    So OLS, sorry to say, but solar and a whole bunch of other environmental options are not going to be taken up by people around here because most of them are middle class Americans and they got shopping and endless argueing about politics :rolleyes: to do. And I should try to remember that it is about the argueing. NOBODY ever seems to come here to debate something and then actually ACT. It's all piss and wind as far as I can see.

    there's a lot of good people here so i wouldn't include everyone. but i found most people here to only concern themselves with themselves.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    angelica wrote:
    When a debate/conversation starts by putting people down, the argument does not go over well, generally.

    who was put down?
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    onelongsong wrote:
    who was put down?
    onelongsong wrote:
    this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
    When anyone comes at me from a perspective where they judge me (or others), and put me down (or others), I know the chances of myself or others having a balanced, fair conversation are slim, psychologically speaking.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    angelica wrote:
    When a debate/conversation starts by putting people down, the argument does not go over well, generally.

    Well it's not like your words haven't been interpreted that way in the past angelica so I would have thought you at least would have been more open minded.
    NOPE!!!

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Jeanie wrote:
    Well it's not like your words haven't been interpreted that way in the past angelica so I would have thought you at least would have been more open minded.
    And I hear your opinion, clearly.

    I speak to what I see.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    onelongsong wrote:
    there's a lot of good people here so i wouldn't include everyone. but i found most people here to only concern themselves with themselves.

    That there are. And those people have already sent you wellwishes via me, so perhaps we should just concern ourselves with them? And let these others duke it out in a "good" debate all on their own. Seems to be what they like to do best. Argue.
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    angelica wrote:
    And I hear your opinion, clearly.

    I speak to what I see.

    Ditto.
    NOPE!!!

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    Hold on to the thread
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    I have a question............................How much energy is used in producing these solar cells and windmills and what is the source of that energy? What are the biproducts of creating these technologies on a mass scale? And no, I'm not trying to be an ass, I honestly just want to know.
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    It's entirely fair in a debate or a discussion to challenge what does not make sense. My sole purpose here has been to differentiate between opinion, and study, and in my opinion, it needed to be done. I treat onelongsong with respect as an equal-- I assume he's worthy of reasonable debate like all of us, and would not want to be pitied and patronized.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    onelongsong wrote:
    there's a lot of good people here so i wouldn't include everyone. but i found most people here to only concern themselves with themselves.

    hope you're not a god fearing man OSL cause you just passed judgement on people you don't even know without knowing the circumstances in which they live, but by how they interact on an anonymous message board. i understand with where you're at right now in your life you think you can afford such judgement or maybe you're acting out in frustration, i don't know. life sucks and i hope you truly find the peace you need. my thoughts are with you.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Did I miss it entirely, or did someone list prices for kits already?

    50G's is great to spend but it will take like 10-20 years to get it back, and what if you move, and the new owner doesn't want to pay for it. So I suppose the average homeowner myself excluded would have to hire someone to uninstall everything.

    It's just not that simple to say people are jerks, and don't care because they aren't doing it. It's prohibitively expensive, and does not suit a lot of people's lifestyles. Some people move around a lot, and a lot more rent.

    Make it cheaper and people will flock to it. I run one in my car because it came with the car.

    I can't say I'll have 10 years to wait for the savings to kick in...or to break even at this location.

    If it was 10,000 I would, but $50,000 is a tad much for the average person to toss around and be considered careless for it. Especially in this particular.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    onelongsong wrote:
    this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
    i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
    an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
    i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.

    I saw your post about solar energy and thought it was laughable. as is this thread and "experiment" you really dont get it. have you ever been to a city greater then 100,000 people? how about 5 million? I live in a 65 story highrise with 850 units. how should we use solar power?
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I saw your post about solar energy and thought it was laughable. as is this thread and "experiment" you really dont get it. have you ever been to a city greater then 100,000 people? how about 5 million? I live in a 65 story highrise with 850 units. how should we use solar power?

    You're the one that doesn't get it. He said he wasn't going to be here to see what you say or do about it. And I'd like to say that that is laughable but quite frankly it isn't. But then who knows? I'm quite sure there's more than a few of you who'll be happy to dance on his grave.
    NOPE!!!

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    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    perhaps the problem isnt with the consumers not caring...

    perhaps the blame lies with the companies and producers that continue to keep this technology expensive, unaffordable, and away from mass consumption

    maybe you should think of it that way my friend
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanie wrote:
    You're the one that doesn't get it. He said he wasn't going to be here to see what you say or do about it. And I'd like to say that that is laughable but quite frankly it isn't. But then who knows? I'm quite sure there's more than a few of you who'll be happy to dance on his grave.

    what dont I get? he is coming on here and taking the moral high ground for using solar power and thinks the rest of us are "killing the earth" cuz we dont. yea im the clueless one
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    my2hands wrote:
    perhaps the problem isnt with the consumers not caring...

    perhaps the blame lies with the companies and producers that continue to keep this technology expensive, unaffordable, and away from mass consumption

    maybe you should think of it that way my friend

    I dont think its their fault either. well to a point where they are doing it on purpose.

    I believe there are many people trying to innovate a way for average people (everyone) to use alternative resources. its just not here yet.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what dont I get? he is coming on here and taking the moral high ground for using solar power and thinks the rest of us are "killing the earth" cuz we dont. yea im the clueless one

    You're serious? :rolleyes:

    I'm done. Good luck with that.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanie wrote:
    You're serious? :rolleyes:

    I'm done. Good luck with that.


    what am I missing???

    this is what he said

    The Experiment
    this board; and a few others; were part of an experiment to see how much people cared about global warming; alternative energy; and the future of mankind.
    i started a thread about solar energy and i was chosen because i've used solar energy for over 30 years; becoming 100% solar early 2006.
    an intelligent person would assume that people would have questions about solar energy and it's use; and how they could impliment solar energy into their current lives. especially from someone with so much experience in the field. that happened on one board. this board had the least responses showing that people here don't care about their fellow man. they have no concern for future generations and IMO; will continue to rape the earth until it has no more to give. people here are all talk but have no desire to learn alternatives to our wasteful lifestyles.
    i'm one of 20 people gathering data and the results should be published next month.

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