becos the women around here dont hate me enough already

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Who is doing this?

    You in conversations on consciousness.
    Yes. Why is this so shocking or insightful?

    Because analogously speaking, your view of consciousness is in contradiction to your view of society. Can we not consider consciousness and society as being two things that come from the same basic structure?
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    zstillings wrote:
    Maybe I know a lot of the wrong women but it doesn't seem like too long ago that they gave themselves a raise in the engagement ring department from two months' salary to three.
    :D hahaha!
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No, it's called a social norm.

    So you don't think these "social norms" speak for "all of society"? Yet you do think that a "desire for chivalry", "Valentine's day a woman's day", and "a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring" are social norms that somehow invalidate equality???
    Each other.

    Yeah, equal kind of implies that. What I'm asking you is to name the "eaches". What are you rejecting an equation on? An individual's actions and a social norm?

    I'm just looking for clarification here.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    So you don't think these "social norms" speak for "all of society"? Yet you do think that a "desire for chivalry", "Valentine's day a woman's day", and "a man owes it to his fiance' to buy her an expensive diamond ring" are social norms that somehow invalidate equality???



    Yeah, equal kind of implies that. What I'm asking you is to name the "eaches". What are you rejecting an equation on? An individual's actions and a social norm?

    I'm just looking for clarification here.

    Sure
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You in conversations on consciousness.

    Hehe...where have I ever said that consciousness is greater than the sum of its parts?
    Because analogously speaking, your view of consciousness is in contradiction to your view of society. Can we not consider consciousness and society as being two things that come from the same basic structure?

    Depends on what you mean here. A "brain" cannot be a "brain" if you separate that which comprises it. A "brain" is an absolute.

    A society, on the other hand, is not an absolute. If you separate that which comprises it, you've lost absolutely nothing.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sure

    Ok, thanks for clarifying.

    So, you're saying that individuals can differ from social norms. This means that individuals can differ from each other, regardless of dominant social norms. And since individuals differ from each other, are you saying that, "equality" would only be found in a situation wherein some individuals rejected their individuality and embraced social norms or wherein the majority rejected their social norms and embraced the individuality of others?????
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...where have I ever said that consciousness is greater than the sum of its parts?



    Depends on what you mean here. A "brain" cannot be a "brain" if you separate that which comprises it. A "brain" is an absolute.

    A society, on the other hand, is not an absolute. If you separate that which comprises it, you've lost absolutely nothing.

    I disagree
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok, thanks for clarifying.

    So, you're saying that individuals can differ from social norms. This means that individuals can differ from each other, regardless of dominant social norms. And since individuals differ from each other, are you saying that, "equality" would only be found in a situation wherein some individuals rejected their individuality and embraced social norms or wherein the majority rejected their social norms and embraced the individuality of others?????

    I'm saying social norms regulate equality. We are never going to be rid of them or gender roles. The best we can do is try to convert enough people to change what is socially normal.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    holy shit, ive been gone for an hour and it's 4 pages now?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    What about the matters of young women teachers getting off with nothing for having sex with a 15 year old student but reverse it for a man and he will be demonized (not that I agree with this sort of thing but using a current example of gender inequality).

    Read an article from a woman stating women should not be punsished the same for these types of sexual assaults because there is different underlying phsycological reasons for her doing it than a man.

    Bullshit I say.

    I agree gender equality seems to be only situationally based.

    there's a link within this article that says that this is actually not true. women are punished almost identically to men for the same such crimes.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm saying social norms regulate equality. We are never going to be rid of them or gender roles.

    Do "social norms" regulate 1+1 = 2? If society decides that 5 apples will feed 5,000,000 people, does that make it true?
    The best we can do is try to convert enough people to change what is socially normal.

    That's the best you can do? Conversion?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Do "social norms" regulate 1+1 = 2? If society decides that 5 apples will feed 5,000,000 people, does that make it true?

    No, that's reality. Something most people aren't in touch with.
    That's the best you can do? Conversion?

    Got a better idea?
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    MrBrian wrote:
    wait wait wait, now that I think about it, the girls bags won't be so heavy if they just packed less clothing. I mean my bags are always much lighter then whenever I travel with the females. it's like they carry bricks.

    this isn't funny. it's annoyingly true. i can pack one backpack of stuff for a week long trip. my gf cant visit me for a weekend and fit all her shit in the same bag.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    No, that's reality. Something most people aren't in touch with.

    Quite, yes. Now, don't you think reality dictates equality, as opposed to just "social norms"?
    Got a better idea?

    Yes -- recognizing the difference between a "social norm" and that which defines you. At that point, "conversion" becomes about the most unnecessary thing you could possibly think of. What purpose would be served by "converting" someone else?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Quite, yes. Now, don't you think reality dictates equality, as opposed to just "social norms"?

    I don't think reality really cares about equality. Reality is not just. If reality cared about equality, we'd all be androgynous or hemaphrodites.
    Yes -- recognizing the difference between a "social norm" and that which defines you. At that point, "conversion" becomes about the most unnecessary thing you could possibly think of. What purpose would be served by "converting" someone else?

    The greatest influence on an individual is society, and therefor social norms are inherently as popular as the phrase implies.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I don't think reality really cares about equality. Reality is not just. If reality cared about equality, we'd all be androgynous or hemaphrodites.

    I didn't ask you if reality cares about anything. I asked you if reality dictates equality or not?
    The greatest influence on an individual is society, and therefor social norms are inherently as popular as the phrase implies.

    Hehe...the greatest influence on an individual is gravity, not society. And that list is pretty long before you get to "society".
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I didn't ask you if reality cares about anything. I asked you if reality dictates equality or not?

    Ultimately, through deconstructing causation, the big bang dictated every state of equality since the dawn of the universe. What's your point?
    Hehe...the greatest influence on an individual is gravity, not society. And that list is pretty long before you get to "society".

    Looks like we got another Piaget wanna be.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Ultimately, through deconstructing causation, the big bang dictated every state of equality since the dawn of the universe. What's your point?

    Hehe...if "you" actually believed that "you" really wouldn't be too worried about "trying" to "convert" people.
    Looks like we got another Piaget wanna be.

    Hey, at least your insults are getting a bit more interesting.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Hehe...if "you" actually believed that "you" really wouldn't be too worried about "trying" to "convert" people.



    Hey, at least your insults are getting a bit more interesting.


    You've totally lost me FFG, what is your point?

    When your talking about conversion of individual beliefs as if reality won't allow it, I just don't understand what you are saying. It's almost like you are trying to communicate within my perspective, but you don't really understand my perspective.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    would ya'll men quit yer bitchin' and please take out the garbage? ;)
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