The Feminization of America

I agree, that yes, many in this country are becoming bigger pussies every day. The shit people cry about these days just makes me angry. However, our generation is not perfect, and probably only marginally more "masculine" than these kids you see today-- I think that we are all pussies compared to our grandparents-- those people lived through some tough times, and never had anything to bitch about. Now everyone bitches about everything.

I also believe that war doesn't solve anything-- and any loss of innocent life is too much... I don't think you can put a number on it-- "It's only 3,000." If one person was lost in this war, and it was your brother, it wouldn't matter if it was one, or a million lost in the war, believe me, it would affect you.

While I don't believe in war, I don't believe in being pushed around, either. I think you gotta punish those who are directly responsible for fuckin with you, and it should be done swiftly, and immediately-- unlike our delayed response in dealing with terrorists in Afghanistan. Iraq should have never been-- but it is. I for one don't know how to fix that situation, but I'd love for it to be over... I also think that the people responsible for putting us there in the first place should be checked CONSTANTLY in any decisions they make based on their history of terrible decision making.

There are a million things in this country that people are making a huge fuss over right now, and in my eyes, a lot of them are just bullshit-- like political correctness (to an extent). People have to stop crying about shit like this and MAN UP a little. This war though, is worth the attention, and the emotion over the loss of people. My beef is with the media making a circus out of it. They get lost in the hype and the $--the sensationalism-- they don't actually care, on either side of the issue.

You have to think that we've lost 3,000 of our brothers and our sisters, but how many more innocent people in Iraq for every soldier of our own... They're people too.

Arright, rant over.

CorporateWhore wrote:

Hey, I'm not surprised I'm getting so much flak for this is in a Pearl Jam message board."

If you have no confidence in the validity of the responses you will receive on a Pearl Jam message board, then why post here? Why should you care what we think? If you are really serious about your opinions, and ours don't count, why not go sprout this stuff somewhere where you'll get the opinions you are looking for?

CorporateWhore wrote:

Nonetheless, over-generalizations are silly. Though, men do generally gravitate toward certain behavior (some don't, admittedly). I'm just saying that we shouldn't put men down all the time when they act like men. Boys should not be discouraged from exhibiting certain masculine behavior. When a boy acts out in class or gets in a fight at school, you discipline him. You don't put him on drugs. He needs a father to discipline him sufficiently. Fathers should be given the opportunity to run their families as they see fit, with the natural and equal influence of mothers in their respective roles. Men and women are different and are good at different things."

Good parenting is hard work. Children should be allowed to exhibit the behaviour, and encouraged to I might add, that makes them unique. I do agree that there seems to be an overabundance of drug treatments levelled at children these days, this is the world we live in and the responsibility of the parents to decide if it is the correct course of action for their child.
Seems to me that we would all love for fathers to take an active role in raising their children. Unfortunately, more seem ready to cut and run when it comes time to participate! AND YES I KNOW that there are many fathers that don't, there has been a marked improvement in the participation of fathers in the raising of children in this generation. THOSE that can be bothered getting started and hanging around in the first place. BUT the fact is that it takes more than just mothers and fathers to raise children. There are extended family, friends, communities all involved in this task. THIS is what children need for a well rounded start to life. NOT ridiculous, outdated gender roles! PARENTS should, together, "run" their families as their partnership and circumstance dictate."[/quote]

CorporateWhore wrote:

Case in point: Everybody Loves Raymond, The Simpsons, Family Guy, and most family sitcoms. The dad is a goddamn barbarian numbskull who needs his wife to direct everything in his life or else he will live in a barn. He always has to say "I'm sorry." For what? Being what he was born to be?

You are seriously using these television programs as your point of reference? This is why I am unimpressed with your points so far and I find it fairly telling as to why you hold the views you do. IT'S TELEVISION!!! IT'S NOT REAL!!! HELLOOOO????

CorporateWhore wrote:

I think, if society is guilty of anything, it's failing to be "understanding" of the male role. Everyone is expected to be understanding of women, but women are not forced to understand the male role because he is the barbarian and cannot be understood.

I will leave you with a quote from Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

Look CorporateWhore, why can't you just accept "people" are all different, with different behaviours, hopes, dreams and problems? PEOPLE need to understand each other, seperate from gender and ridiculously assigned gender roles! Take people as you find them. Some men should never be encouraged to be more "male" just as some women should never be encouraged to be more "female" People should be encouraged to be the best they can be as an individual. The rest will then fall into place.

Do not even get me started on your quote!! Sigmund Freud? HA!! HA!!!
Mummy's boy!!! That's all I have to say!!!!

Seems we have some middle ground and points of agreement. That's got to be a good thing!

I like this thread personally. I think we need more americans who resemble John Wayne than we do George Clooney.

Both the male and female stereotypes are totally ridiculous.

mammasan wrote:

You are using Family Guy and The Simpsons to gauge how society views the roles of men and women.

i'm more of an al bundy guy. now THAT was a man!

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Leave it to Miller and Corpwhore to make our dear Ahnimus sound like a liberal thinker!

It all makes sense now!

I meant in reference to the gender roles we assume because of the stereotypes. The only reason women are arguably more sensitive and men arguably more aggressive is our society. It's not consistent cross-culture.

Statistically speaking, in terms of Domestic Violence, women are more aggressive in North America. So that debunks the whole feminist ideology right there.

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I take back that I called you a liberal thinker!

It was very funny while it lasted though!

angelica wrote:

It was very funny while it lasted though!

It lasted 13 minutes....... (insert your own innuendo here)

Ahnimus wrote:

It is.

It's important to have liberal thoughts, but also to deliberate to a rational conclusion. It's also possible to establish a working theory and continue to practice liberal thought. So you have a system in place, but you revisit it.

spot on my friend.

george clooney said it best.

"when was the last time a liberal stood on the wrong side of a social issue?"