The Feminization of America

in the time between

MrBrian wrote:

Being understanding is not a role simply for women. nothing wrong with boys being boys and girls being girls but I think what makes a boy and what makes a girl seems to have a nice blur around it.

These days many women seem to think that less clothes = more of a woman and guys think fighting= more of a man.

Those are just the first examples that came to mind and obvioulsy more exist. But I think more understanding of one another and of ones ownself is needed.

But I of course agree about just putting kids on drugs for almost no reason, a kid get's loud in class and he's on a pill. zombie style.

I do understand what you mean.

I see your point and agree on that level. CorporateWhore's post came across so outrageously whack to me but, when you break it down like that, I can see what you mean--I hope that's what he/she was getting at.

Pills aren't the answer, for sure! It's in the doctor's and pharmaceutical companies best ($$) interest, they're always prescribing little happy pills to make all your troubles go away...

DOSW

CorporateWhore wrote:

Ok, masculine men=blundering idiots.

See Rockin'InCanada's post for what I was going to say. You set yourself up for that so, so, easily.

Cosmo

miller8966 wrote:

I agree with what your saying corporate. Men today are being feminized; just compare how we act to how our grandfathers act. Most men today cant even say they've ever held a manual labor job, let alone the fact that they probaly cant do any other manly stuff like change their own oil.

We are told today that fighting is wrong and that we should talk out our feelings; bullshit. Nothing gets your feelings across better than a right-cross to the kisser.

Just look at the term metrosexual and what it stands for.

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I used to change my own oil... but, you know what? I don't any more. It's a hell of a lot easier for me to stop at the Jiffy Lube and drop 20 bucks on the counter and have them deal with that shit. Ol' Grand Dad used to change his own oil... and dump the old oil right into the ground... into the water table. Same thing for the Prestone and freon. I think it's a good thing we don't do that shit any more.
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And being a man has nothing to do with fighting and acting like a macho dick. It's your character that counts. Are you someone who demands respect... or commands respect? If you demand respect... you don't deserve it.

tara

CorporateWhore wrote:

You know America shouldn't be like this:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c5/253px-Willandgrace.jpg

Encouraging boys to be wimps. That's great.

oh i get it, so you're basically just a homophobe?

tara

miller8966 wrote:

I have no doubt; your probaly a vegetarian.

real men don't need to eat animals to prove that they have a penis

in the time between

CorporateWhore wrote:

You know America shouldn't be like this:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c5/253px-Willandgrace.jpg

Encouraging boys to be wimps. That's great.

So, you're comparing America to gay men? Not all fags prance around talking about their feminine side...

Anyway, I thought you were talking about straight men, or just men in general.

I don't understand how being violent makes a man, a man. Could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?

DOSW

in the time between wrote:

I don't understand how being violent makes a man, a man. Could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?

I second this. I asked before and didn't get an answer: what is being manly, exactly? What do you have to do, or how do you have to act, to be a "real man?"

CorporateWhore

tara wrote:

oh i get it, so you're basically just a homophobe?

No, I'm a heterosexual. I don't apologize for being straight and not wanting to identify at all with homosexual behavior.

mammasan

in the time between wrote:

I don't understand how being violent makes a man, a man. Could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?

It's a penis size thing. Just like the guy driving the $150,000 sports car is over compensating for something. The guy walking around like Tony Tough Nuts is doing the same.

in the time between

CorporateWhore wrote:

No, I'm a heterosexual. I don't apologize for being straight and not wanting to identify at all with homosexual behavior.

Nobody's asking you to "push in their stool", seems we just want to understand what you're thinking. So, again, could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?

mammasan

CorporateWhore wrote:

No, I'm a heterosexual. I don't apologize for being straight and not wanting to identify at all with homosexual behavior.

there is nothing wrong with not wanting to identify with homosexual behavior but you go far beyond that. You have this deep seeded animosity towards homosexuals.

JOEJOEJOE

I have never had to do manual labor, nor have I ever gotten into a bar brawl.

Some people would consider this a good thing!

I earn a living with my brain, and again, some people may think this is a good thing!

The brawls into which I have almost gotten involved some pushing, but then some talking, which averted possible injuries, arrests and lawsuits.

I have the emotional abilities to express my feelings.

Seems as if the less-educated and more-wanting are the one's that define themselves by their machismo.

in the time between

mammasan wrote:

It's a penis size thing. Just like the guy driving the $150,000 sports car is over compensating for something. The guy walking around like Tony Tough Nuts is doing the same.

LMFAO! Tony Tough Nuts!!!

I don't think it's the fact that he's driving the $150,000 sports car, just that he has to TELL you that's how much it cost. I guess some women just really like a nice, expensive car...

CorporateWhore

in the time between wrote:

we just want to understand what you're thinking.

The only one who gets to know that is Mrs. Whore. But that's only when she's put a good dinner on the table and given me a good round or two of pillow tag!

tara

DOSW wrote:

I second this. I asked before and didn't get an answer: what is being manly, exactly? What do you have to do, or how do you have to act, to be a "real man?"

furthermore, i'd like to hear what a female 'role' is.

these are arbitrary roles that have been imposed upon us by a patriarchal society. women have been supressed into a role of servitude that has absolutely nothing to do with what makes us women (our reproductive organs, just in case you were wondering). so i'd like to hear what exactly these 'roles' are.
and DOSW, and the rest of you along this train of thought, i'm burning to write down my definition of what exactly it is to be a man, but i believe that you already have a good idea and want to hear it from the CorporateWhore

JOEJOEJOE

CorporateWhore wrote:

The only one who gets to know that is Mrs. Whore. But that's only when she's put a good dinner on the table and given me a good round or two of pillow tag!

So you make your sister cook for you?

CorporateWhore

tara wrote:

furthermore, i'd like to hear what a female 'role' is.

these are arbitrary roles that have been imposed upon us by a patriarchal society. women have been supressed into a role of servitude that has absolutely nothing to do with what makes us women (our reproductive organs, just in case you were wondering). so i'd like to hear what exactly these 'roles' are.
and DOSW, and the rest of you along this train of thought, i'm burning to write down my definition of what exactly it is to be a man, but i believe that you already have a good idea and want to hear it from the CorporateWhore

I'll allow you to define what "being a woman" is all about. I'll leave that up to women, since only women understand their natural role in society.

And men understand their natural role in society, as established by their traditions.

RockinInCanada

tara wrote:

furthermore, i'd like to hear what a female 'role' is.

these are arbitrary roles that have been imposed upon us by a patriarchal society. women have been supressed into a role of servitude that has absolutely nothing to do with what makes us women (our reproductive organs, just in case you were wondering). so i'd like to hear what exactly these 'roles' are.
and DOSW, and the rest of you along this train of thought, i'm burning to write down my definition of what exactly it is to be a man, but i believe that you already have a good idea and want to hear it from the CorporateWhore

You have posed some great questions....the anticipation is killing me.....just joking...would be interesting to hear his thoughts.....

mammasan

CorporateWhore wrote:

And men understand their natural role in society, as established by their traditions.

What are those roles as you see them?

Cosmo

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

I have never had to do manual labor, nor have I ever gotten into a bar brawl.

Some people would consider this a good thing!

I earn a living with my brain, and again, some people may think this is a good thing!

The brawls into which I have almost gotten involved some pushing, but then some talking, which averted possible injuries, arrests and lawsuits.

I have the emotional abilities to express my feelings.

Seems as if the less-educated and more-wanting are the one's that define themselves by their machismo.

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Dude.. I hear you.
Even though I have had working blisters and gotten my face bloodied in street fights. But, I know better now. I'd rather have the free time to do things I want, rather than do things I have to. Paying the dude to change the oil is one of them.
That has nothing to do with manhood. Human understanding goes a long way. I consider myself to have pretty good street sense and can recognize a dangerous situation... I will walk away from a fight, now... because I know that I don't know what I am dealing with and there's no fucking way I'm getting my ass shot for the sake of machismo.
And I don't mind the macho shitheads I see out there. I steer clear of them. I yeah... I listen to what women say... if gives me insights that macho shitheads will never be privy to.
Your character... who you are... honest, trustworthy, reliable... traits of manhood, but not restricted to men... that's the validity test.
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and the bottom line... chicks dig me.