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The Feminization of America

CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
edited January 2007 in A Moving Train
Why is it that people are forcing American boys to be so sensitive. So "understanding." So...feminine.

What's wrong with men being men? I notice that boys are given ADD medicine if they start acting up in class, and then they become little asexual zombies. Boys are doing worse in school because of it.

Boys should be encouraged, within limits, to be honest about their masculinity. They shouldn't be medicated to the point of lunacy. They should be encouraged to fall within a male role, as opposed to a female role.

I see this being translated into all aspects of American life. Even the war in Iraq. Americans get disgusted by 3,000 dead soldiers. That's no small number, but past wars have been significantly higher! We need to assess wars on their principles and not troop death counts. Worrying about troop deaths is inconsequential if the cause is just. If the cause is unjust, troops deaths are just as inconsequential. They are doing what they signed up to do either way, and we elect presidents to make decisions.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Why is it that people are forcing American boys to be so sensitive. So "understanding." So...feminine.
    Do you think encouraging someone to utilise their emotional intelligence is unhealthy? Do you know emotional intelligence is a predictor of life happiness?
    What's wrong with men being men? I notice that boys are given ADD medicine if they start acting up in class, and then they become little asexual zombies. Boys are doing worse in school because of it.
    What are these observations based on please?
    Boys should be encouraged, within limits, to be honest about their masculinity.
    Can boys be masculine and emotionally intelligent at the same time, in your opinion?
    They shouldn't be medicated to the point of lunacy. They should be encouraged to fall within a male role, as opposed to a female role.
    I'm a little concerned as to where you are getting your information on boys being medicated in order to fit a female role!
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  • in the time betweenin the time between Posts: 18
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    I see this being translated into all aspects of American life. Even the war in Iraq. Americans get disgusted by 3,000 dead soldiers. That's no small number, but past wars have been significantly higher! We need to assess wars on their principles and not troop death counts. Worrying about troop deaths is inconsequential if the cause is just. If the cause is unjust, troops deaths are just as inconsequential. They are doing what they signed up to do either way, and we elect presidents to make decisions.

    I am shocked by this statement. WOW!

    So, do you think that all the little boys should be playing cops and robbers, BANG, BANG, shoot 'em up? Beating up the nerds? Excited about mass murder, blood and guts? And grow up still playing with guns and unconcerned about human life or the part they should be playing in the bigger picture?

    The president makes a grave decision, a wretched, horrible decision that is not supported by the majority of the public, whom, I might add, he is SUPPOSED to be representing and you're telling me you're just going to sit back and be led around like a little sheep--and THAT'S being a MAN???
    "It's an intense time in, uh, United States history. People need to be active n' not distracted n', uh, that's just how I feel." - Eddie Vedder

    "Let us always meet each other with a smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.", "Peace begins with a smile." - Mother Teresa
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Why is it that people are forcing American boys to be so sensitive. So "understanding." So...feminine.

    What's wrong with men being men? I notice that boys are given ADD medicine if they start acting up in class, and then they become little asexual zombies. Boys are doing worse in school because of it.

    Boys should be encouraged, within limits, to be honest about their masculinity. They shouldn't be medicated to the point of lunacy. They should be encouraged to fall within a male role, as opposed to a female role.

    .

    Being understanding is not a role simply for women. nothing wrong with boys being boys and girls being girls but I think what makes a boy and what makes a girl seems to have a nice blur around it.

    These days many women seem to think that less clothes = more of a woman and guys think fighting= more of a man.

    Those are just the first examples that came to mind and obvioulsy more exist. But I think more understanding of one another and of ones ownself is needed.

    But I of course agree about just putting kids on drugs for almost no reason, a kid get's loud in class and he's on a pill. zombie style.

    I do understand what you mean.
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Stop forcing your belief of what men should be on men. If men wanted to be that way, they would naturally be that way.

    Let women be that way. Men can be men.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Why is it that people are forcing American boys to be so sensitive. So "understanding." So...feminine.

    What's wrong with men being men? I notice that boys are given ADD medicine if they start acting up in class, and then they become little asexual zombies. Boys are doing worse in school because of it.

    Boys should be encouraged, within limits, to be honest about their masculinity. They shouldn't be medicated to the point of lunacy. They should be encouraged to fall within a male role, as opposed to a female role.

    I see this being translated into all aspects of American life. Even the war in Iraq. Americans get disgusted by 3,000 dead soldiers. That's no small number, but past wars have been significantly higher! We need to assess wars on their principles and not troop death counts. Worrying about troop deaths is inconsequential if the cause is just. If the cause is unjust, troops deaths are just as inconsequential. They are doing what they signed up to do either way, and we elect presidents to make decisions.
    ...
    Wait... you are not upset with the deaths of 3,000 of your voluenteer military citizens due to a war that was waged, not out of necessity, but out of want? And now, it means sending in MORE of our troops in order to clean up after the mess made due to poor planning and horrid decisions made by civilian suits in Washington... that doesn't upset you?
    I can understand if the Death Toll was attributed to a War in Afghanistan... because that is a worthy cause. But, War for the sake of War... where the rationale changes as the previous justifications are found to be false... I ain't buying it.
    Nothing to do with Feminism... everything to do with poor leadership and decisions.
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  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Wait... you are not upset with the deaths of 3,000 of your voluenteer military citizens due to a war that was waged, not out of necessity, but out of want? And now, it means sending in MORE of our troops in order to clean up after the mess made due to poor planning and horrid decisions made by civilian suits in Washington... that doesn't upset you?
    I can understand if the Death Toll was attributed to a War in Afghanistan... because that is a worthy cause. But, War for the sake of War... where the rationale changes as the previous justifications are found to be false... I ain't buying it.
    Nothing to do with Feminism... everything to do with poor leadership and decisions.

    You missed the entire point. I am opposed to the entire decision of the war.

    Nonetheless, the death toll is not the reason I oppose the war.

    You get what I mean?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I agree with what your saying corporate. Men today are being feminized; just compare how we act to how our grandfathers act. Most men today cant even say they've ever held a manual labor job, let alone the fact that they probaly cant do any other manly stuff like change their own oil.

    We are told today that fighting is wrong and that we should talk out our feelings; bullshit. Nothing gets your feelings across better than a right-cross to the kisser.

    Just look at the term metrosexual and what it stands for.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Stop forcing your belief of what men should be on men. If men wanted to be that way, they would naturally be that way.

    Let women be that way. Men can be men.

    You know America is no longer like this:

    http://www.artchive.com/artchive/r/rockwell/rockwell_want.jpg
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    I think this requires a statement of what CorporateWhore believes a man should do. How exactly do you think us men should act?
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    cutback wrote:
    You know America is no longer like this:

    http://www.artchive.com/artchive/r/rockwell/rockwell_want.jpg

    i pray everyday we can bring it back to that.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    miller8966 wrote:
    We are told today that fighting is wrong and that we should talk out our feelings; bullshit. Nothing gets your feelings across better than a right-cross to the kisser.

    Wow, I wish I could be a real man like you.
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    cutback wrote:
    You know America is no longer like this:

    http://www.artchive.com/artchive/r/rockwell/rockwell_want.jpg

    You know America shouldn't be like this:

    http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c5/253px-Willandgrace.jpg

    Encouraging boys to be wimps. That's great.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Why is it that people are forcing American boys to be so sensitive. So "understanding." So...feminine.

    What's wrong with men being men? I notice that boys are given ADD medicine if they start acting up in class, and then they become little asexual zombies. Boys are doing worse in school because of it.

    Boys should be encouraged, within limits, to be honest about their masculinity. They shouldn't be medicated to the point of lunacy. They should be encouraged to fall within a male role, as opposed to a female role.

    I see this being translated into all aspects of American life. Even the war in Iraq. Americans get disgusted by 3,000 dead soldiers. That's no small number, but past wars have been significantly higher! We need to assess wars on their principles and not troop death counts. Worrying about troop deaths is inconsequential if the cause is just. If the cause is unjust, troops deaths are just as inconsequential. They are doing what they signed up to do either way, and we elect presidents to make decisions.

    I do have to agree with you on one point you made and that is the over medication of our children. Parents, teachers, physicians, and school administrators are too quick these days to shove meds down the throat of any child who is a bit over active. I remember a few years ago my nephew, he was in 3rd grade at the time, was very restless in class. The principal, teacher, and a board of education councelor recommended to my brother and sister-in-law that he see a doctor and be placed on Ritalin. for a whole year my brother and his wife fought with the school over this issue. Finally during his 4th grade school year there where state tests that he had to take and he scored off the charts. The problem all along was that my nephew was bored with school because he wasn't being challenged not because of ADD. Starting in the fifth grade he was placed in an honors class and since then there has been no problems.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    miller8966 wrote:
    Most men today cant even say they've ever held a manual labor job, let alone the fact that they probaly cant do any other manly stuff like change their own oil.

    Well I guess by your definition of a man I'm only half a man because I've never changed my oil.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • miller8966miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    DOSW wrote:
    Wow, I wish I could be a real man like you.

    I have no doubt; your probaly a vegetarian.
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You know America shouldn't be like this:

    http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c5/253px-Willandgrace.jpg

    Encouraging boys to be wimps. That's great.

    You'd rather all males be blundering idiots?
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You missed the entire point. I am opposed to the entire decision of the war.

    Nonetheless, the death toll is not the reason I oppose the war.

    You get what I mean?
    ...
    not really... no... I'm not sure what you are stating.
    ...
    I think you are talking about certain things... such as 'Tailhook' and 'Airborne Wings'. Yeah, I want our Naval aviators to be kind of nuts and I want my Airborne to be tough... tough to the point where pinning their wings throught the flesh on their chests is not big deal... bullets hurt a hell if a lot worse.
    But, Joe Asshole in the bars around town... No... I don't want macho shitheads acting like macho shitheads in the bars... unless they are Fighter pilots or Airborne. Wannabe military pussies can stay at home, for all I care.
    ...
    And personally... I really hate that whole "They should have known what they signed up for" or "No one put a gun to their head and made them sign up" shit. That is total disrespect for the few Americans who sign up for this duty. They are the ONLY ones bearing the weight of this war... you aren't and neither am I. I believe WE, the rest of us NOT in the military should feel the financial pain of having to pay for this war... since thaty war the only ones feeling the pains caused by this war.
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    miller8966 wrote:
    I have no doubt; your probaly a vegetarian.

    Nope. Try again.
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    DOSW wrote:
    You'd rather all males be blundering idiots?

    Ok, masculine men=blundering idiots.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Ok, masculine men=blundering idiots.

    Homesexual television characters = men with "feelings"


    However I do believe kids are getting prescription medicine way too often and way too quickly....damn kids are hyper at this age....man I can remember back to when I was young and everyone was hyper......maybe in some cases more attention should be spent looking at how parenting is playing an issue wiht "ADD"....just a suggestion....
  • in the time betweenin the time between Posts: 18
    MrBrian wrote:
    Being understanding is not a role simply for women. nothing wrong with boys being boys and girls being girls but I think what makes a boy and what makes a girl seems to have a nice blur around it.

    These days many women seem to think that less clothes = more of a woman and guys think fighting= more of a man.

    Those are just the first examples that came to mind and obvioulsy more exist. But I think more understanding of one another and of ones ownself is needed.

    But I of course agree about just putting kids on drugs for almost no reason, a kid get's loud in class and he's on a pill. zombie style.

    I do understand what you mean.

    I see your point and agree on that level. CorporateWhore's post came across so outrageously whack to me but, when you break it down like that, I can see what you mean--I hope that's what he/she was getting at.

    Pills aren't the answer, for sure! It's in the doctor's and pharmaceutical companies best ($$) interest, they're always prescribing little happy pills to make all your troubles go away...
    "It's an intense time in, uh, United States history. People need to be active n' not distracted n', uh, that's just how I feel." - Eddie Vedder

    "Let us always meet each other with a smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.", "Peace begins with a smile." - Mother Teresa
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Ok, masculine men=blundering idiots.

    See Rockin'InCanada's post for what I was going to say. You set yourself up for that so, so, easily.
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    miller8966 wrote:
    I agree with what your saying corporate. Men today are being feminized; just compare how we act to how our grandfathers act. Most men today cant even say they've ever held a manual labor job, let alone the fact that they probaly cant do any other manly stuff like change their own oil.

    We are told today that fighting is wrong and that we should talk out our feelings; bullshit. Nothing gets your feelings across better than a right-cross to the kisser.

    Just look at the term metrosexual and what it stands for.
    ...
    I used to change my own oil... but, you know what? I don't any more. It's a hell of a lot easier for me to stop at the Jiffy Lube and drop 20 bucks on the counter and have them deal with that shit. Ol' Grand Dad used to change his own oil... and dump the old oil right into the ground... into the water table. Same thing for the Prestone and freon. I think it's a good thing we don't do that shit any more.
    ...
    And being a man has nothing to do with fighting and acting like a macho dick. It's your character that counts. Are you someone who demands respect... or commands respect? If you demand respect... you don't deserve it.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • taratara Posts: 293
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You know America shouldn't be like this:

    http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c5/253px-Willandgrace.jpg

    Encouraging boys to be wimps. That's great.

    oh i get it, so you're basically just a homophobe?
    No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it.
    Albert Einstein
  • taratara Posts: 293
    miller8966 wrote:
    I have no doubt; your probaly a vegetarian.

    real men don't need to eat animals to prove that they have a penis
    No problem can be solved from the same consciousness that created it.
    Albert Einstein
  • in the time betweenin the time between Posts: 18
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You know America shouldn't be like this:

    http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/c/c5/253px-Willandgrace.jpg

    Encouraging boys to be wimps. That's great.

    So, you're comparing America to gay men? Not all fags prance around talking about their feminine side...

    Anyway, I thought you were talking about straight men, or just men in general.

    I don't understand how being violent makes a man, a man. Could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?
    "It's an intense time in, uh, United States history. People need to be active n' not distracted n', uh, that's just how I feel." - Eddie Vedder

    "Let us always meet each other with a smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.", "Peace begins with a smile." - Mother Teresa
  • DOSWDOSW Posts: 2,014
    in the time between wrote:
    I don't understand how being violent makes a man, a man. Could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?

    I second this. I asked before and didn't get an answer: what is being manly, exactly? What do you have to do, or how do you have to act, to be a "real man?"
    It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
  • CorporateWhoreCorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    tara wrote:
    oh i get it, so you're basically just a homophobe?

    No, I'm a heterosexual. I don't apologize for being straight and not wanting to identify at all with homosexual behavior.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    in the time between wrote:
    I don't understand how being violent makes a man, a man. Could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?

    It's a penis size thing. Just like the guy driving the $150,000 sports car is over compensating for something. The guy walking around like Tony Tough Nuts is doing the same.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • in the time betweenin the time between Posts: 18
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    No, I'm a heterosexual. I don't apologize for being straight and not wanting to identify at all with homosexual behavior.

    Nobody's asking you to "push in their stool", seems we just want to understand what you're thinking. So, again, could you please explain?--you or miller8966. Is it a control thing?
    "It's an intense time in, uh, United States history. People need to be active n' not distracted n', uh, that's just how I feel." - Eddie Vedder

    "Let us always meet each other with a smile, for the smile is the beginning of love.", "Peace begins with a smile." - Mother Teresa
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