Oprah Makes A Sterotypical Racist Comment!

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    onelongsong wrote:
    freedom of speech means you can state your opinion and not be punished for it. you seem to be leaving out that very important element.


    There's no such thing as complete freedom of speech. If you walk down the neighborhood yelling out kike, nigger, spic, wetback, or any other racial slur that comes into your head, the law can define that has hate speech and take action.

    Also, if you say something that falls under the fighting words catergory, that's not protected either.

    But as I said before, trying to proved what category it falls under would be the hardest thing. Regardless, you can say a lot of shit and get away with it. but just because you CAN say it, doesnt mean you should.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Once you're talking about getting the FCC involved, you're talking very much about the power to impose.

    the FCC is involved in the imus case. what's the difference?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    Walk around any "multi-cultural" area of the country (euphemism for "city") and shout out racial slurs. Then let me know who punishes you. Likely it won't be the government.

    but it's ok for blacks to make white stereotypical remarks? on the tele yet? on national television? that's a double standard which is what breeds hate.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    onelongsong wrote:
    the FCC is involved in the imus case. what's the difference?

    Do you agree that the FCC should be involved in the Imus case?
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    There's no such thing as complete freedom of speech. If you walk down the neighborhood yelling out kike, nigger, spic, wetback, or any other racial slur that comes into your head, the law can define that has hate speech and take action.

    Also, if you say something that falls under the fighting words catergory, that's not protected either.

    But as I said before, trying to proved what category it falls under would be the hardest thing. Regardless, you can say a lot of shit and get away with it. but just because you CAN say it, doesnt mean you should.

    and because they can make stereotypical remarks; doesn't mean they should. that is my point.
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    onelongsong wrote:
    but it's ok for blacks to make white stereotypical remarks? on the tele yet? on national television? that's a double standard which is what breeds hate.


    Isn't a word only offensive if you allow it to be?

    I mean, if someone wants to call me a honky, a cracker, or whitey, I dont give a fuck. Why would I?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    baraka wrote:
    Do you agree that the FCC should be involved in the Imus case?

    no i don't. but since the black leaders made such a big deal about it and caused the FCC in be involved; i plan on pushing it to the point of rediculous to make a point. watch "mind of mencia" and hear the racial comments made by other comedians. but carlos is not white so he can say it. that's bs. if carlos can say it everyone should be able to. maybe if this is pushed to the point where everyone is muzzled; people will wake up.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    Isn't a word only offensive if you allow it to be?

    I mean, if someone wants to call me a honky, a cracker, or whitey, I dont give a fuck. Why would I?

    exactly. my grandfather used to say WORDS ARE LIKE FARTS; THEY DISIPATE IN THE WIND. so why can't i tell an ethnic joke but a minority can tell the same joke? all i'm asking for is equality.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    onelongsong wrote:
    the FCC is involved in the imus case. what's the difference?

    Do you think the Imus case is a valid one?
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    RainDog wrote:
    I have to wonder about white people who complain that their free speech is being violated because they're not allowed to use the word "nigger" when referring to African Americans.

    Your free speech isn't being violated. You are allowed to use that word.

    So go ahead.

    Use it.


    Who the hell said that?

    LOL, stoned?
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    onelongsong wrote:
    exactly. my grandfather used to say WORDS ARE LIKE FARTS; THEY DISIPATE IN THE WIND. so why can't i tell an ethnic joke but a minority can tell the same joke? all i'm asking for is equality.
    Why would you want to?

    I think that people who make racist remarks are idiots. I do not aspire to be an idiot, so I'm not concerned with whether or not I can make idiotic comments.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    farfromglorified wrote:
    What the hell is "the black community"?

    You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    NMyTree wrote:
    You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.

    Oh yeah....

    There are certain terms that I've simply learned to tune out because they have no meaning. "Black community" and "white community" are both on that list.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    onelongsong wrote:
    no i don't. but since the black leaders made such a big deal about it and caused the FCC in be involved; i plan on pushing it to the point of rediculous to make a point. watch "mind of mencia" and hear the racial comments made by other comedians. but carlos is not white so he can say it. that's bs. if carlos can say it everyone should be able to. maybe if this is pushed to the point where everyone is muzzled; people will wake up.

    Yeah, I see your point, but two wrongs do not make a right. Be the change you want to see and don't act in ways you find 'wrong'. I personally do not want to see everyone 'muzzled'. I think it is apparent to most that the Imus thing was handled inappropriately by the 'black leaders' and the hypocrisy is obvious. There was even a piece by a black sports writer that pointed this out and how it takes away from the real issues at hand. I guess all I'm saying is don't resort to the same tactics.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Do you think the Imus case is a valid one?

    not at all. nappy headed ho's is a common catch phrase among the hip hop culture and should be allowed to be said by everyone or no one. we shouldn't have our speech regulated by skin colour.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    There's a fine line between freedom of speech, hate speech, and fighting words. You can't just say anything you want to. Like it or not, there are limitations.


    Well, if that's the case then, that should be the rule for all people, correct?

    Or are we going to allow "certain" people to say anything and everything they want, regardless how racist/discriminatory and make excuses for them? Meanwhile, stringently hold other groups of people to a different standard?
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    NMyTree wrote:
    You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.

    but i'm white and i wasn't alive 150 years ago. in fact; my family didn't come to this country until after WWI. my remaining family was enslaved and murdered by hitler. so how am i to blame for slavery?

    (i'm with you on this; i'm trying to make a point.)
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    onelongsong wrote:
    not at all. nappy headed ho's is a common catch phrase among the hip hop culture and should be allowed to be said by everyone or no one. we shouldn't have our speech regulated by skin colour.

    Then why the hell are you proposing doing the same thing? When you buy into evil to "prove a point", all you're doing is proving that you're evil.
  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    NMyTree wrote:
    Well, if that's the case then, that should be the rule for all people, correct?

    Or are we going to allow "certain" people to say anything and everything they want, regardless how racist/discriminatory and make excuses for them? Meanwhile, stringently hold other groups of people to a different standard?


    Personally, no I dont think so. When I hear something I dont like. I stop listening. Did it with Richards, did it with Gibson, did it with O'reilly. Hey, if people want to sit there and listen to ignorant remarks coming from an ignorant person, go ahead and start up the circle jerk.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    baraka wrote:
    Yeah, I see your point, but two wrongs do not make a right. Be the change you want to see and don't act in ways you find 'wrong'. I personally do not want to see everyone 'muzzled'. I think it is apparent to most that the Imus thing was handled inappropriately by the 'black leaders' and the hypocrisy is obvious. There was even a piece by a black sports writer that pointed this out and how it takes away from the real issues at hand. I guess all I'm saying is don't resort to the same tactics.

    We don't have to resort to the same tactics. But sometimes an illustration of that behavior can help in pointing out the double-standards being utilized by some black people. There is this notion of entitlement among some black people. I've never understood why any white people would have an entitlement complex; same with black people or anyone else.

    We're either interested in moving ahead, achieving true equality and achieving true progress; or we're going to get stuck in a vicious cycle of racial hate and discrimination. Which by the way, always works it's way back to the past; in terms of roles and attitudes. What's going on today with black people and what has been going on for several years now, is only going to bring it all full circle. The history of human behavior proves this. History is philty with exactly this type of a vicious, racial/discriminatory cycle.

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