See, I don't see it that way. I believe there's such a thing as going "too far." What Oprah said was that white people don't have rhythm. What Imus said is that black women pass their asses around the street for money.
First off, he didn't actually say that. He was actually referring to a specific group of alledged ass passers. Sure, let's infer that he really, deep-down meant all black women. You still haven't convinced me that there isn't a double standard here. You, for one, wouldn't bat an eyelash if someone made equally mean comments about white people.
More often than not, when someone is pissed off that they "can't" use words that blacks "can," it's not because of some altuistic belief in free speech and open dialog.
I believe you've completely misinterpreted even your own spin-job of this subject matter. I don't believe at all that any white guy/gal really gives a damn about using that word (with the real die-hard, ignorant white racists as the exception).
What happens is, when so many black people publically, repeatidly make statements to the effect that white people are forbidden from using that word; human nature tells you that a certain percentage of the population is going to take notice and issue a hearty " fuck you, n***** ", just in the spirit of defiance.
It's human nature. It's human behavior.
So don't pretend that there are a ton of white people who are itching to use the word. Because there is not. Personally, I believe a good portion of white people just want to move on from all this racial crap and make a better future for themselves, their family and thier community.
This constant taking us back to the days of Slavery and so forth; is preventing progress, equality and harmony. Obviously, these black people are doing more damage to themselves and society as a whole, by continuing this charade. And ulitmately, they will only succeed in bring racial relations back to the past and bringing it full circle, again.
First off, he didn't actually say that. He was actually referring to a specific group of alledged ass passers. Sure, let's infer that he really, deep-down meant all black women. You still haven't convinced me that there isn't a double standard here. You, for one, wouldn't bat an eyelash if someone made equally mean comments about white people.
So, let's say there is a double standard. Life's full of them, so we might as well get used to it. Did you think Marcellus's rape scene in Pulp Fiction was funny? Now how about if it happened to a female character? Yeah, not so much.
But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.
I'm drawing from experience here. More often than not, when someone is pissed off that they "can't" use words that blacks "can," it's not because of some altuistic belief in free speech and open dialog.
But you can think of me what you will. I won't attempt to have you fired for it.
i was sent to an office in a black area to work for a month. the word nigger was used in almost every sentence. after 2 weeks i started to pick it up along with other common phrases such as "flick that". not on purpose; but just by exposure. BUT; because we were government; i would have been strung up if i said it. so for a month i had to walk on eggs and watch every word i said.
i feel it was wrong to be put in that enviornment and in a position where i could lose my job or even be prosecuted for using the common language of that enviornment which is common human behavior to pick up the venacular of the enviornment.
So, let's say there is a double standard. Life's full of them, so we might as well get used to it. Did you think Marcellus's rape scene in Pulp Fiction was funny? Now how about if it happened to a female character? Yeah, not so much.
But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.
So you're fine with inequality, I am not. Fundamental difference, I suppose. Nor am I fine with a whole group of people playing the victim role, although I am willing to concede that the continued existance of this victim role probably indicates that racism against blacks is indeed alive and well. What's ironic is that some black leaders are exaserbating the problem.
You may want to try getting some new crayons, the one's you're using are not drawing very well, at all.
I believe you've completely misinterpreted even your own spin-job of this subject matter. I don't believe at all that any white guy/gal really gives a damn about using that word (with the real die-hard, ignorant white racists as the exception).
What happens is, when so many black people publically, repeatidly make statements to the effect that white people are forbidden from using that word; human nature tells you that a certain percentage of the population is going to take notice and issue a hearty " fuck you, n***** ", just in the spirit of defiance.
It's human nature. It's human behavior.
So don't pretend that there are a ton of white people who are itching to use the word. Because there is not. Personally, I believe a good portion of white people just want to move on from all this racial crap and make a better future for themselves, their family and thier community.
This constant taking us back to the days of Slavery and so forth; is preventing progress, equality and harmony. Obviously, these black people are doing more damage to themselves and society as a whole, by continuing this charade. And ulitmately, they will only succeed in bring racial relations back to the past and bringing it full circle, again.
Yeah, it's all those black people's fault.
Perhaps you grew up in some enlightened community where racism, and a desire to use racist words whenever possible, simply didn't exist, but I didn't. In fact, I almost got the shit kicked out of me for expressing offense when someone standing next to me (in an all white crowd) began on some racist tyrade (I'm sick of typing the word, so I'll assume you know what I mean). His reason for getting pissed off at me for calling him on it? "Hey, I work all day with black people, so I should be able to say whatever the hell I want." I shut him up when I asked "so why don't you say it around them, then?"
But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.
Just about all of your "theories" and interpretations are gross over-simplifications. Simplifications in your interpretations, not in what is being said.
What Imus said was toung-in-cheek sarcasm which actually is a bit more complicated than what you see.
There's no doubt a large majority of people have completely missed the joke and simply never got it.
Imus was completely aware that there are non-blacks on that women's basketball team.
Hell, I'm not even a fan of Imus, nor would I ever defend the guy. But I certainly am aware of his material and his approach to his jokes, comments, parodies and satire. Which by the way is no different than that of many non-white entertainers.
Was it a poor choice of words, yeah. But certainly nothing to get all worked up about.
Truth is, Imus hasn't had this much exposure and publicity since he fell off the horse and required surgery. Thanks to the overly-sensitive, overly-PC goofballs and a plethora of hypocritcal black people who cherish stereotypical racial double-standards; they succeeded in giving him a level of exposure he'd never, ever see.
i was sent to an office in a black area to work for a month. the word nigger was used in almost every sentence. after 2 weeks i started to pick it up along with other common phrases such as "flick that". not on purpose; but just by exposure. BUT; because we were government; i would have been strung up if i said it. so for a month i had to walk on eggs and watch every word i said.
i feel it was wrong to be put in that enviornment and in a position where i could lose my job or even be prosecuted for using the common language of that enviornment which is common human behavior to pick up the venacular of the enviornment.
Is that what the word "nigger" is? Common vernacular?! Do you (and others) seriously not see the difference between Blacks calling EACHOTHER this and Whites calling Blacks this? You really see absolutely no difference?! Unfreakingbelievable.
i offer an analogy. If i'm in the grocery store and my children are being loud and obnoxious and i tell them to "shut up, and settle down", although it may be inappropriate for me to use such harsh language with my children, they are my children and thats one thing. If someone else tells MY children to "shut up" that person just may get a beatin'. Seen?
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
So you're fine with inequality, I am not. Fundamental difference, I suppose. Nor am I fine with a whole group of people playing the victim role, although I am willing to concede that the continued existance of this victim role probably indicates that racism against blacks is indeed alive and well. What's ironic is that some black leaders are exaserbating the problem.
Would the rape scene in Pulp Fiction have left you feeling differently if it was a woman? If the answer is "yes" then you, too, believe in a certain level of inequality - though I wouldn't necessarily call it that.
The truth is, I see racism every day - and I'm not talking about the media, and I don't go looking for it.
See, I don't see it that way. I believe there's such a thing as going "too far." What Oprah said was that white people don't have rhythm. What Imus said is that black women pass their asses around the street for money.
And really, she didn't even seriously do that. She joked with one particular rhythmless person and used a very common stereotype to do so.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Just about all of your "theories" and interpretations are gross over-simplifications. Simplifications in your interpretations, not in what is being said.
What Imus said was toung-in-cheek sarcasm which actually is a bit more complicated than what you see.
There's no doubt a large majority of people have completely missed the joke and simply never got it.
Imus was completely aware that there are non-blacks on that women's basketball team.
Hell, I'm not even a fan of Imus, nor would I ever defend the guy. But I certainly am aware of his material and his approach to his jokes, comments, parodies and satire. Which by the way is no different than that of many non-white entertainers.
Was it a poor choice of words, yeah. But certainly nothing to get all worked up about.
Truth is, Imus hasn't had this much exposure and publicity since he fell off the horse and required surgery. Thanks to the overly-sensitive, overly-PC goofballs and a plethora of hypocritcal black people who cherish stereotypical racial double-standards; they succeeded in giving him a level of exposure he'd never, ever see.
Perhaps you grew up in some enlightened community where racism, and a desire to use racist words whenever possible, simply didn't exist, but I didn't. In fact, I almost got the shit kicked out of me for expressing offense when someone standing next to me (in an all white crowd) began on some racist tyrade (I'm sick of typing the word, so I'll assume you know what I mean). His reason for getting pissed off at me for calling him on it? "Hey, I work all day with black people, so I should be able to say whatever the hell I want." I shut him up when I asked "so why don't you say it around them, then?".
Seems to me this issue with people being mad because they are wanting to use the n***** word, which you insist is the real "truth" here, is really just your own emotional torch. Just as I speculated several posts ago.
So you almost got your ass kicked:rolleyes: Get a grip. I had to fight from 3rd grade.....right through 8th grade and freshman year. I got into so amny fights I lost count.
I did get my ass kicked a dozen times and I kicked ass....a dozen times. There was no "almost".
Would the rape scene in Pulp Fiction have left you feeling differently if it was a woman? If the answer is "yes" then you, too, believe in a certain level of inequality - though I wouldn't necessarily call it that.
The truth is, I see racism every day - and I'm not talking about the media, and I don't go looking for it.
To be honest, I didn't find the Marcellus rape scene funny either, although I freely admit that the emotional reaction was different. If it has been a woman, I'd have felt horrified. As it was, it just made my arsehole pucker a bit, in more of a disgust reaction.
Sure, I too hold double standards. But does that holding make it somehow right? People used to think blacks shouldn't use water fountains that I use, no? I have as many implicit prejudicial attitudes as you do, or anyone else. That still doesn't make it right.
One more point to address ... You see racism everyday, sure. Someone else might not see some of the real racism you do detect. Conversely, though, someone else might not label something as racism while you do so. There is a certain amount of subjectivity involved.
Another silly over-simplification and misiterpretation.
So I'll respond in kind. No, it's all "Whitey's" fault.:rolleyes:
Funny. I seem to remember my post being longer than that. And, really, all I saw in your post was how black people were going to bring some sort of - I don't know, retribution, maybe - upon themselves for the way they talk to each other.
Funny. I seem to remember my post being longer than that. And, really, all I saw in your post was how black people were going to bring some sort of - I don't know, retribution, maybe - upon themselves for the way they talk to each other.
Just for the record, do you think black people should use the word?
Funny. I seem to remember my post being longer than that. And, really, all I saw in your post was how black people were going to bring some sort of - I don't know, retribution, maybe - upon themselves for the way they talk to each other.
It's not a "retribution". it's a vicous cycle of racism. It's human nature and human behavior.
They were certainly thinking of the backlash by a small extremely vocal minority of rabidly liberal people (i.e. MoveOn.org).
So, they got scared? I don't think so.
Almost immediately after the slurs, Proctor and Gamble and Staples threatened to pull their advertising. Now, that got their attention, don't you think?
And if you're wondering, I did a little research. I think you might be interested to know that Staples is owned by a conservative who strongly backs Republican Mitt Romney in Massachussetts.
Is that what the word "nigger" is? Common vernacular?! Do you (and others) seriously not see the difference between Blacks calling EACHOTHER this and Whites calling Blacks this? You really see absolutely no difference?! Unfreakingbelievable.
i offer an analogy. If i'm in the grocery store and my children are being loud and obnoxious and i tell them to "shut up, and settle down", although it may be inappropriate for me to use such harsh language with my children, they are my children and thats one thing. If someone else tells MY children to "shut up" that person just may get a beatin'. Seen?
yes it is common venacular. my dad picked up the phrase "it'll blow your mind" back in the 70's. he uses it to this day but he picked it up because those around him used it frequently. btw; he's 73.
so when you're in an office with 20 people and 19 of them use the word nigger the way i use the word dude or man; the 20th person is going to pick up that word or phrase.
The vicous cycle of racism requires someone to peddle on both sides.
Correct.
But vicious cycle only needs to be continued by one side, then human nature takes over.
Racism/discriminaton is a parasite which lives in all human beings, whether you or anyone else wants to admit it, or not. Those who choose to feed the parasite will help it grow and spread. Right now and for the last several years; there are a lot of black people feeding that parasite.
Which isn't to say there are no white racists. There certainly are.
But this parasite and the vicous cycle goes much deeper and way beyond the over-simplification of "retribution". There's so much more to it all. "Retribution" is simply one of the many nutrients used to feed the parasite.
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First off, he didn't actually say that. He was actually referring to a specific group of alledged ass passers. Sure, let's infer that he really, deep-down meant all black women. You still haven't convinced me that there isn't a double standard here. You, for one, wouldn't bat an eyelash if someone made equally mean comments about white people.
You may want to try getting some new crayons, the one's you're using are not drawing very well, at all.
I believe you've completely misinterpreted even your own spin-job of this subject matter. I don't believe at all that any white guy/gal really gives a damn about using that word (with the real die-hard, ignorant white racists as the exception).
What happens is, when so many black people publically, repeatidly make statements to the effect that white people are forbidden from using that word; human nature tells you that a certain percentage of the population is going to take notice and issue a hearty " fuck you, n***** ", just in the spirit of defiance.
It's human nature. It's human behavior.
So don't pretend that there are a ton of white people who are itching to use the word. Because there is not. Personally, I believe a good portion of white people just want to move on from all this racial crap and make a better future for themselves, their family and thier community.
This constant taking us back to the days of Slavery and so forth; is preventing progress, equality and harmony. Obviously, these black people are doing more damage to themselves and society as a whole, by continuing this charade. And ulitmately, they will only succeed in bring racial relations back to the past and bringing it full circle, again.
But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.
Political correctness run amok.
You have a right to be offended, however, you don't have a right to not be offended.
i was sent to an office in a black area to work for a month. the word nigger was used in almost every sentence. after 2 weeks i started to pick it up along with other common phrases such as "flick that". not on purpose; but just by exposure. BUT; because we were government; i would have been strung up if i said it. so for a month i had to walk on eggs and watch every word i said.
i feel it was wrong to be put in that enviornment and in a position where i could lose my job or even be prosecuted for using the common language of that enviornment which is common human behavior to pick up the venacular of the enviornment.
So you're fine with inequality, I am not. Fundamental difference, I suppose. Nor am I fine with a whole group of people playing the victim role, although I am willing to concede that the continued existance of this victim role probably indicates that racism against blacks is indeed alive and well. What's ironic is that some black leaders are exaserbating the problem.
Perhaps you grew up in some enlightened community where racism, and a desire to use racist words whenever possible, simply didn't exist, but I didn't. In fact, I almost got the shit kicked out of me for expressing offense when someone standing next to me (in an all white crowd) began on some racist tyrade (I'm sick of typing the word, so I'll assume you know what I mean). His reason for getting pissed off at me for calling him on it? "Hey, I work all day with black people, so I should be able to say whatever the hell I want." I shut him up when I asked "so why don't you say it around them, then?"
My crayons are fine. Thanks for asking.
Wow.
Let me ask this a different way: Do you suppose those executives at MSNBC and CBS had liberalism in mind?
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Just about all of your "theories" and interpretations are gross over-simplifications. Simplifications in your interpretations, not in what is being said.
What Imus said was toung-in-cheek sarcasm which actually is a bit more complicated than what you see.
There's no doubt a large majority of people have completely missed the joke and simply never got it.
Imus was completely aware that there are non-blacks on that women's basketball team.
Hell, I'm not even a fan of Imus, nor would I ever defend the guy. But I certainly am aware of his material and his approach to his jokes, comments, parodies and satire. Which by the way is no different than that of many non-white entertainers.
Was it a poor choice of words, yeah. But certainly nothing to get all worked up about.
Truth is, Imus hasn't had this much exposure and publicity since he fell off the horse and required surgery. Thanks to the overly-sensitive, overly-PC goofballs and a plethora of hypocritcal black people who cherish stereotypical racial double-standards; they succeeded in giving him a level of exposure he'd never, ever see.
Is that what the word "nigger" is? Common vernacular?! Do you (and others) seriously not see the difference between Blacks calling EACHOTHER this and Whites calling Blacks this? You really see absolutely no difference?! Unfreakingbelievable.
i offer an analogy. If i'm in the grocery store and my children are being loud and obnoxious and i tell them to "shut up, and settle down", although it may be inappropriate for me to use such harsh language with my children, they are my children and thats one thing. If someone else tells MY children to "shut up" that person just may get a beatin'. Seen?
The truth is, I see racism every day - and I'm not talking about the media, and I don't go looking for it.
Another silly over-simplification and misinterpretation.
So I'll respond in kind. No, it's all "Whitey's" fault.:rolleyes:
Seems to me this issue with people being mad because they are wanting to use the n***** word, which you insist is the real "truth" here, is really just your own emotional torch. Just as I speculated several posts ago.
So you almost got your ass kicked:rolleyes: Get a grip. I had to fight from 3rd grade.....right through 8th grade and freshman year. I got into so amny fights I lost count.
I did get my ass kicked a dozen times and I kicked ass....a dozen times. There was no "almost".
To be honest, I didn't find the Marcellus rape scene funny either, although I freely admit that the emotional reaction was different. If it has been a woman, I'd have felt horrified. As it was, it just made my arsehole pucker a bit, in more of a disgust reaction.
Sure, I too hold double standards. But does that holding make it somehow right? People used to think blacks shouldn't use water fountains that I use, no? I have as many implicit prejudicial attitudes as you do, or anyone else. That still doesn't make it right.
One more point to address ... You see racism everyday, sure. Someone else might not see some of the real racism you do detect. Conversely, though, someone else might not label something as racism while you do so. There is a certain amount of subjectivity involved.
They were certainly thinking of the backlash by a small extremely vocal minority of rabidly liberal people (i.e. MoveOn.org).
Just for the record, do you think black people should use the word?
No, you never got it.
For the record, I think it has a different definition when they use it.
It's not a "retribution". it's a vicous cycle of racism. It's human nature and human behavior.
Do some research, you'll see.
Then again, probably not:rolleyes:
I think this attitude is potentially dangerous, although I admit that there's no real evidence either way.
So, they got scared? I don't think so.
Almost immediately after the slurs, Proctor and Gamble and Staples threatened to pull their advertising. Now, that got their attention, don't you think?
And if you're wondering, I did a little research. I think you might be interested to know that Staples is owned by a conservative who strongly backs Republican Mitt Romney in Massachussetts.
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yes it is common venacular. my dad picked up the phrase "it'll blow your mind" back in the 70's. he uses it to this day but he picked it up because those around him used it frequently. btw; he's 73.
so when you're in an office with 20 people and 19 of them use the word nigger the way i use the word dude or man; the 20th person is going to pick up that word or phrase.
"And that's another thing. I don't like it when you guys call each other 'queer.' That's our word for making fun of you. We need it."
I think a person's intent should matter more than their skin colour, when we are talking who should or should not use particular words.
Correct.
But vicious cycle only needs to be continued by one side, then human nature takes over.
Racism/discriminaton is a parasite which lives in all human beings, whether you or anyone else wants to admit it, or not. Those who choose to feed the parasite will help it grow and spread. Right now and for the last several years; there are a lot of black people feeding that parasite.
Which isn't to say there are no white racists. There certainly are.
But this parasite and the vicous cycle goes much deeper and way beyond the over-simplification of "retribution". There's so much more to it all. "Retribution" is simply one of the many nutrients used to feed the parasite.
This explains a lot:rolleyes:
The Simpsons is hardly any thing to derive profound overtures and undertones, from.