I bet if Bill Gates only gave his billions to white folks the press would have a field day.
its like here in Britain we have the MOBO awards.. Music Of Black Origin... if i started a Music Of White Origin awards show then i'd be sent to prison or a supermarket or something
not that I care about the mobo's or anything, i just wonder why we CANT celebrate white culture without having a guilt complex.. i'm not even catholic
Its unfortunate, but in America it is necessary, and can only be described as responsible, for the relative few of Blacks who have achieved much, to use their fortunes to the benefit of the Black community FIRST. Honestly, i would have a bigger problem with Oprah if she did not do this.
As far as the MOBO awards, i'm not familiar with them, but i will say that if you were to start a "Music of White Origin Awards show" it would be a VERY short program.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Its unfortunate, but in America it is necessary, and can only be described as responsible, for the relative few of Blacks who have achieved much, to use their fortunes to the benefit of the Black community FIRST. Honestly, i would have a bigger problem with Oprah if she did not do this.
As far as the MOBO awards, i'm not familiar with them, but i will say that if you were to start a "Music of White Origin Awards show" it would be a VERY short program.
There is also Black Movie Awards
As one of the world’s most lucrative Black dominated industries, the world’s next Black billionaire may emerge in hip-hop. Russell Simmons aspires to be hip-hop’s first billionaire[15] but he has some competition. According to the Panache report which did six months of research [16], the ten richest people in Hip-hop are:
P. Diddy, $346 Million
Jay-Z, $340 Million
Russell Simmons, $325 Million
Damon Dash, $200 Million
The Neptunes (Pharell Williams and Chad Hugo), $155 Million
Dr. Dre, $150 Million
Ice Cube, $145 Million
Eminem, $110 Million
50 Cent, $100 Million
Nelly, $60 Million
(Tied) Jermaine Dupri, $60 Million
Note: Eminem and Chad Hugo are white and Filipino American, respectively.
Corrnifer, where are the rich white people that are donating to "White" communities? I think we are expected to take care of ourselves, most of their money goes overseas where it is really needed. There is no white godfather taking care of me or anyone else I know. This fucking bullshit. You think because Bill Gates is white that I am somehow rich? I have nothing to do with him or any rich person black or white. You are attributing wealth and power to a race and it doesn't belong there, that's not why people are rich, they are rich because we live in a capitalist society.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Oprah has done it before. Its that double standard. Screw that. I have long felt Oprah was wrong when one day she said it was okay for blacks to call themselves "niggas". She's wrong...and this Imus mess, with all the press and pundits talking is finally bringing that out. If they can say nigger, so can I. BTW...I choose not to, it sounds ignorant, no matter who says it.
We, whites, have freedom of speech just as much as blacks and this Imus thing is finally getting to that point.
This whole firing of Imus reminds me of what Eddie has said, somthing along the lines of us watching it, because they will take our freedom of speech away. Freedom of the press.
I still can't believe no one is talking about that in that same segment of Imus that morning it was said "the jigaboos against the wannabees". I don't know if some of you are too young to know, but the word "jigaboo" is worse than nigger, yet no one is talking about it. That is what should had been attacked.
Whatever....Imus got a raw deal.
Sharpton and Jesses Jackson need to take the plank out of their own eye before making people take the splinter out of theirs.
As one of the world’s most lucrative Black dominated industries, the world’s next Black billionaire may emerge in hip-hop. Russell Simmons aspires to be hip-hop’s first billionaire[15] but he has some competition. According to the Panache report which did six months of research [16], the ten richest people in Hip-hop are:
P. Diddy, $346 Million
Jay-Z, $340 Million
Russell Simmons, $325 Million
Damon Dash, $200 Million
The Neptunes (Pharell Williams and Chad Hugo), $155 Million
Dr. Dre, $150 Million
Ice Cube, $145 Million
Eminem, $110 Million
50 Cent, $100 Million
Nelly, $60 Million
(Tied) Jermaine Dupri, $60 Million
Note: Eminem and Chad Hugo are white and Filipino American, respectively.
Corrnifer, where are the rich white people that are donating to "White" communities? I think we are expected to take care of ourselves, most of their money goes overseas where it is really needed. There is no white godfather taking care of me or anyone else I know. This fucking bullshit. You think because Bill Gates is white that I am somehow rich? I have nothing to do with him or any rich person black or white. You are attributing wealth and power to a race and it doesn't belong there, that's not why people are rich, they are rich because we live in a capitalist society.
Makes no difference how one becomes affluent. i could care less how Oprah made her money. That is not even close to the point. Whites and Blacks are not in the same boat. Have never been in the same boat. Did not come over on the same boat. The point is that due to the vastly different situations and historical experiences of Blacks and Whites, it doesn't even make sense to compare Bill gates and Oprah. Nor is sensible to compare Oprah using her money to benefit the Black community FIRST to "rich Whites" giving "handouts" to other whites. Its not a matter of "taking care of ourselves" You obviously don't get the difference, and i won't argue with you. There is no point to that. Afterall, you are the smartest human alive.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
sorry. pet hate of mine.. its "couldn't care less"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
yea, that sorta thing is utter bullshit. if we are going to enforce and live by a 'no racial slurs' code of conduct in this society, it should stand for ALL...and not be tolerated at all.
Makes no difference how one becomes affluent. i could care less how Oprah made her money. That is not even close to the point. Whites and Blacks are not in the same boat. Have never been in the same boat. Did not come over on the same boat. The point is that due to the vastly different situations and historical experiences of Blacks and Whites, it doesn't even make sense to compare Bill gates and Oprah. Nor is sensible to compare Oprah using her money to benefit the Black community FIRST to "rich Whites" giving "handouts" to other whites. Its not a matter of "taking care of ourselves" You obviously don't get the difference, and i won't argue with you. There is no point to that. Afterall, you are the smartest human alive.
No I don't get the difference. Why don't you explain it? No body gives me money. All the social programs are available to everyone and are paid with tax dollars. There is no "White unemployment". In-fact I went to the welfare office when I was in a bad situation and they said "Well, you are a white male, it will be harder for you." and it was I had to damn near sue my previous employer. Another account from a gentleman I work with, he says he was told with his gender and ethnicity there is no way he can get welfare. Meanwhile he fucking paid for it with his taxes, just as I did. All I wanted was a few hundred bucks to carry me for a month to find work. I eventually got it, but I experienced first hand what it's like. Any given day you walk into the welfare office and you will mostly see non-white or women, it's absolutely more difficult for a male caucasian to get any kind of assistance. They say "Don't you have a rich uncle or someone you can borrow from?" fuck no. No one in my family on either side has ever been close to being rich. My family immigrated here from Pennsylvania during the American Revolution as the American's were on some fight against the British and would have killed Casper Schürch and his family if they had not moved. This is after Casper came over on the Love and Unity from Switzerland. Casper's wife and daughter died on the boat as the only food they had was RATS. Casper remarried in Pennsylvania and sent his Sons up to Markham, ON to try to get out of the American Revolution.
So what does that make me? Well it makes me a dude with white skin. And you think that makes my life any easier? How? Because someone who is white might identify with my appearance the same way black people do each other? That doesn't mean that Bill Gates is gonna send me a cheque. Nobody is giving me money, it's hard enough even getting my taxes back through the various social programs. And I can guarantee you that if a black person with a degree in Computer Science had of applied for my position, they would have him instead of me. They never even saw me before they hired me, they hired me over the phone and I never went in for an interview before hand. I could have been pink and they wouldn't have known, nor would they have cared.
Did you ever think that most of that stuff is gone? In the past? Or maybe you are living in a primitive society compared to the one I live in. I used to live in a primitive society and I left it because I realized that it was. I don't mean any offense to black communities, but honestly, they haven't had as long to be free to develop as much as european communities. If you look back at the Victorian Era white people were very crude and hateful and this is ultimately the cause of slavery and the suppression of black social evolution. In-fact it put a huge scar in black society, it segregated and abused black people and thus has caused even now a segregation. But now the segregation is of a different nature. It is largely perceptual. Social Polarization means that people will become extremists when their views are feircly challenged, something I am often convicted of. When you come out with these rash statements, generalizations and stereotypes such as "White people are racist" "White people are the cause of oppression" You are causing someone like me who has never done a thing to you or your ancestry, or benefited from some social balance, to take a step back and think that's quite hateful and someone unlike me might react irrationally, responding with a racist comment. I mean you are talking about some kind of birth right that doesn't make any sense. Sure my family was oppressed as well, I really don't care, I need to focus on what matters now in this time. We can look back on history and try not to repeat it by identifying it's causes and it's not white people. Because people have causes too. The causes were expansionism, imperialism and primitive society. Those causes were our brains collectively, which was caused by our genetics, caused by evolution, caused by the origin of life, caused by nucleic acid and plasma, caused by the sun. The chain of causality continues. It doesn't stop with people and certainly not me. I don't appreciate my skin-tone being associated with behaviors that I have never enacted. And I think it's absolutely ironic and insulting to black people to behave in a similar way to that which they seek freedom from. Many black people think this way and express it on the media, youtube, blogs, etc..
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
well it's okay when black people say racist comments....don't you understand that?
First of all NO it is not ok for Oprah to say that...all racist comments are wrong and should be curbed. I wish someone would point that out to her so that she would stop saying that kind of stuff. HOWEVER, white on black racism (especially powerful white on black racism) if SOOOOOO different that black on white racism. As Marx has said 'the history of the past weighs like an alp on the minds in the present', and historically, socially, and culturally in the United States whiteness has dominated.
Obviously, as many of you have pointed out being white is not the same experience for everyone who is white, BUT you should understand that your whiteness does afford you several unspoken privileges that you/I cannot possibly understand unless they are taken away. If you don't believe me honestly, ask yourself this, as a white person who has 'worked for everything you've got', who have been your supervisors, teachers, bosses, and company owners? For the most part, as a white person, you've probably been taught by white people, giving tests that refer to white history, and white ways of learning, and you were praised for being successful by the white definition of success, and you probably hired by a white person who looked for white qualities in your interview, and the owner of your company was probably white, who hangs out with other white people, thinking white things, and acting in white ways. Now try to put yourself in the shoes of a minority, and try to be successful in a society that cares little, and/or erases your culture and ethnicity, then cries when you call them out on bigotry, and racism.
That's not to say that minorities should say racist things, just that there is a difference.
First of all NO it is not ok for Oprah to say that...all racist comments are wrong and should be curbed. I wish someone would point that out to her so that she would stop saying that kind of stuff. HOWEVER, white on black racism (especially powerful white on black racism) if SOOOOOO different that black on white racism. As Marx has said 'the history of the past weighs like an alp on the minds in the present', and historically, socially, and culturally in the United States whiteness has dominated.
Obviously, as many of you have pointed out being white is not the same experience for everyone who is white, BUT you should understand that your whiteness does afford you several unspoken privileges that you/I cannot possibly understand unless they are taken away. If you don't believe me honestly, ask yourself this, as a white person who has 'worked for everything you've got', who have been your supervisors, teachers, bosses, and company owners? For the most part, as a white person, you've probably been taught by white people, giving tests that refer to white history, and white ways of learning, and you were praised for being successful by the white definition of success, and you probably hired by a white person who looked for white qualities in your interview, and the owner of your company was probably white, who hangs out with other white people, thinking white things, and acting in white ways. Now try to put yourself in the shoes of a minority, and try to be successful in a society that cares little, and/or erases your culture and ethnicity, then cries when you call them out on bigotry, and racism.
That's not to say that minorities should say racist things, just that there is a difference.
The sheer volume of generalizations, racial and otherwise, in your own post is hilariously ironic.
There is no difference between one racist statement and another. There may certainly be differences between the speaker, or the listener, but those differences are about individuals, not groups.
First of all NO it is not ok for Oprah to say that...all racist comments are wrong and should be curbed. I wish someone would point that out to her so that she would stop saying that kind of stuff. HOWEVER, white on black racism (especially powerful white on black racism) if SOOOOOO different that black on white racism. As Marx has said 'the history of the past weighs like an alp on the minds in the present', and historically, socially, and culturally in the United States whiteness has dominated.
Obviously, as many of you have pointed out being white is not the same experience for everyone who is white, BUT you should understand that your whiteness does afford you several unspoken privileges that you/I cannot possibly understand unless they are taken away. If you don't believe me honestly, ask yourself this, as a white person who has 'worked for everything you've got', who have been your supervisors, teachers, bosses, and company owners? For the most part, as a white person, you've probably been taught by white people, giving tests that refer to white history, and white ways of learning, and you were praised for being successful by the white definition of success, and you probably hired by a white person who looked for white qualities in your interview, and the owner of your company was probably white, who hangs out with other white people, thinking white things, and acting in white ways. Now try to put yourself in the shoes of a minority, and try to be successful in a society that cares little, and/or erases your culture and ethnicity, then cries when you call them out on bigotry, and racism.
That's not to say that minorities should say racist things, just that there is a difference.
Insightful.
i will only say that the comments Oprah made were VERY obviously made tongue firmly planted in cheek. i'm pretty apathetic when it comes to Oprah, actually. But it seems very apparent to me that her comments were made in light hearted humor. Goofing off and poking fun at absurd stereotypes. i seriously doubt anyone present felt otherwise. It without question is in no way comparble to this Imus character referring to a women's basketball team as "nappy headed jigaboos" or whatever the heck he said. No way comparable. It seems white folks will jump on every opprotunity they can to scream about "reverse racism". This simply isn't it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
You really believe there is no difference in racist comments? Go and call a distinguished black man a "n" and see what happens. Then call a white man "honkey" or cracker" and see what happens....I'll tell you nothing. Know why b/c it has been understood in the black community no matter how many times Sharpton can say I deplore the "n" word it is used commonly among most black people and it will never be okay for a white person ever to call a black person "n" even if it is endering manner of speaking. I am gonna hope and pray that a backlash ensues and Al and Jesse are made irrelevant after this mess. I want an apology to the Duke University Lacrosse players they were labled "rapists" can anyone out their argue that that isn't more damning then "ho". You can't b/c these kids will forever be labled rapists, that never goes away, so Jesse, Al, Malik, etc... apologize afterall a comment is just a comment, correct?
Philly '98 '00 (1 & 2) '03 '06 (1 & 2) '08 (1 & 2)
East Rutherford '98
Merriweather '98
Gorge '05
Vancouver '05
Los Angeles I,II '06
Santa Barbara '06
Fonda Theater '06
You really believe there is no difference in racist comments? Go and call a distinguished black man a "n" and see what happens. Then call a white man "honkey" or cracker" and see what happens....I'll tell you nothing.
It depends on the specific nigger and the specific cracker, man.
Know why b/c it has been understood in the black community no matter how many times Sharpton can say I deplore the "n" word it is used commonly among most black people and it will never be okay for a white person ever to call a black person "n" even if it is endering manner of speaking. I am gonna hope and pray that a backlash ensues and Al and Jesse are made irrelevant after this mess. I want an apology to the Duke University Lacrosse players they were labled "rapists" can anyone out their argue that that isn't more damning then "ho". You can't b/c these kids will forever be labled rapists, that never goes away, so Jesse, Al, Malik, etc... apologize afterall a comment is just a comment, correct?
Sharpton et all will become irrelevant the instant people start ignoring them.
i will only say that the comments Oprah made were VERY obviously made tongue firmly planted in cheek. i'm pretty apathetic when it comes to Oprah, actually. But it seems very apparent to me that her comments were made in light hearted humor. Goofing off and poking fun at absurd stereotypes. i seriously doubt anyone present felt otherwise. It without question is in no way comparble to this Imus character referring to a women's basketball team as "nappy headed jigaboos" or whatever the heck he said. No way comparable. It seems white folks will jump on every opprotunity they can to scream about "reverse racism". This simply isn't it.
Let me get this straight;
When Imus, a comedian, makes his statements it's racist,
When Oprah makes her statement it's light hearted,
and when Snoop Dog call women "bitches and ho's" it's artistic integrity.
Yah, right. If we're all equal let's apply the same standards to everyone. It always seems as if the biggest vocal proponents of equality don't quite believe in it in practice.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
You really believe there is no difference in racist comments? Go and call a distinguished black man a "n" and see what happens. Then call a white man "honkey" or cracker" and see what happens....I'll tell you nothing. Know why b/c it has been understood in the black community no matter how many times Sharpton can say I deplore the "n" word it is used commonly among most black people and it will never be okay for a white person ever to call a black person "n" even if it is endering manner of speaking. I am gonna hope and pray that a backlash ensues and Al and Jesse are made irrelevant after this mess. I want an apology to the Duke University Lacrosse players they were labled "rapists" can anyone out their argue that that isn't more damning then "ho". You can't b/c these kids will forever be labled rapists, that never goes away, so Jesse, Al, Malik, etc... apologize afterall a comment is just a comment, correct?
When did Oprah call someone a honkey, cracker, fishbelly or anyother mean spirited thing?
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
You really believe there is no difference in racist comments? Go and call a distinguished black man a "n" and see what happens. Then call a white man "honkey" or cracker" and see what happens....I'll tell you nothing. Know why b/c it has been understood in the black community no matter how many times Sharpton can say I deplore the "n" word it is used commonly among most black people and it will never be okay for a white person ever to call a black person "n" even if it is endering manner of speaking. I am gonna hope and pray that a backlash ensues and Al and Jesse are made irrelevant after this mess. I want an apology to the Duke University Lacrosse players they were labled "rapists" can anyone out their argue that that isn't more damning then "ho". You can't b/c these kids will forever be labled rapists, that never goes away, so Jesse, Al, Malik, etc... apologize afterall a comment is just a comment, correct?
After the Civil War, nobody ever said this process of integration was going to be easy. In fact, it took another 100 years and a massive Civil Rights movement just to gain a respectable footing.
I never said Oprah said anything of the sort; but Al Jesse and Malik all have wrose then Imus so where is the outrage from white America that they too be held accountable? Reminds me of Clerks 2 Randall: I really don't see what's wrong with "porch monkey". Dante' "porch monkey" is a racial slur. Randall: no it isn't my grandmother used to call me a porch monkey b/c i'd sit on my porch and stare at my neighbors. It's cool I'm taking it back. Dante' you can't take it back b/c your not black. Randall: well look at you telling me I can't do something b/c of the color of my skin.
Philly '98 '00 (1 & 2) '03 '06 (1 & 2) '08 (1 & 2)
East Rutherford '98
Merriweather '98
Gorge '05
Vancouver '05
Los Angeles I,II '06
Santa Barbara '06
Fonda Theater '06
Let me get this straight;
When Imus, a comedian, makes his statements it's racist,
When Oprah makes her statement it's light hearted,
and when Snoop Dog call women "bitches and ho's" it's artistic integrity.
Yah, right. If we're all equal let's apply the same standards to everyone. It always seems as if the biggest vocal proponents of equality don't quite believe in it in practice.
If you don't see the difference between Imus referring to a women's basketball team as "nappy headed hos", and Oprah making a tongue-in-cheek joke based on one of the oldest stereotypes in the freakin' book, i guess i can't make you see it. As far as Snoop, when he refers to "bitches and hos" he is generally referring primarily Black women, Snoop is Black himself, so his comments aren't racist. They're stupid, pathetic, and completely disrespectful, but not racist. Snoop is a dickhead. period.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
When did Oprah call someone a honkey, cracker, fishbelly or anyother mean spirited thing?
I watched one of her shows where she said to another black that it is okay to call one another "nigga". She then kinda jokingly said it to the guy.
That is not okay, I thought it then, and I think it now.
If she feels that way, or other blacks for that matter, I really think they need to stay mute on this Imus thing.
I resent being told I cannot say what others can.
If certian races don't like the stereotypical things said or portrayed about them, then stop acting, and saying those things yourselves!
To me, that is where this change has to begin.
When I worked in the homeless shelter for teens, I would not allow the kids to use slangs or slurs. You know how people say "that's gay", well I wouldn't even allow that. I know people don't mean for it to be derogatory, but it is.
It is about time something happened to make people think about what they do to one another.
Anyway, want to hear a good joke...LOL!!!
Amazingly, Oprah makes a stereotypical race-based comment and no one bats an eye.
In the first segement Oprah brought out the RU Women's team and praised them, compared them to Maya Angelou. Then she and Vivian Stringer recounted this whole story again.
In the 2nd segment, Oprah had a hip-hop dance instructor on, and brought various people on stage to try the moves. One white lady states that she doesn't have any rhytmn!
After Oprah watches her dance she says... "Yeah you do dance like a White Girl".
As a "white man" I am deeply offended, deeply insulted, deeply wounded, emotionally devastated and I fear for my life; when black racists are permitted to insult and denigrate the dancing skills of my race!
prior to the imus incident; i would have said get over it. but this has gotten out of hand. if you've got any addresses; i'll take the time to write letters because this double standard has got to stop. i mentioned another incident where a black tv judge made a racist comment that offended me.
why is it that only whites don't have freedom of speach anymore?
prior to the imus incident; i would have said get over it. but this has gotten out of hand. if you've got any addresses; i'll take the time to write letters because this double standard has got to stop. i mentioned another incident where a black tv judge made a racist comment that offended me.
So in other words, you're going to make the same mistake they did?
why is it that only whites don't have freedom of speach anymore?
Because people decided they have a right not to be offended instead.
If you don't see the difference between Imus referring to a women's basketball team as "nappy headed hos", and Oprah making a tongue-in-cheek joke based on one of the oldest stereotypes in the freakin' book, i guess i can't make you see it. As far as Snoop, when he refers to "bitches and hos" he is generally referring primarily Black women, Snoop is Black himself, so his comments aren't racist. They're stupid, pathetic, and completely disrespectful, but not racist. Snoop is a dickhead. period.
no; the oldest stereotypical statement is that blacks are lazy. if you're inferring that old stereotypical comments be "grandfathered in" to society; let's allow them all.
I have to wonder about white people who complain that their free speech is being violated because they're not allowed to use the word "nigger" when referring to African Americans.
Your free speech isn't being violated. You are allowed to use that word.
Because people decided they have a right not to be offended instead.
then those people are wrong. i'm not only offended by the racist comments made by black celebrities but by their arrogance telling me i what i should and should not be offended by.
I'm not approving of double standards but I understand how and why they occur. Especially in the case of whites making racist remarks and blacks making racist remarks.
then those people are wrong. i'm not only offended by the racist comments made by black celebrities but by their arrogance telling me i what i should and should not be offended by.
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Its unfortunate, but in America it is necessary, and can only be described as responsible, for the relative few of Blacks who have achieved much, to use their fortunes to the benefit of the Black community FIRST. Honestly, i would have a bigger problem with Oprah if she did not do this.
As far as the MOBO awards, i'm not familiar with them, but i will say that if you were to start a "Music of White Origin Awards show" it would be a VERY short program.
There is also Black Movie Awards
As one of the world’s most lucrative Black dominated industries, the world’s next Black billionaire may emerge in hip-hop. Russell Simmons aspires to be hip-hop’s first billionaire[15] but he has some competition. According to the Panache report which did six months of research [16], the ten richest people in Hip-hop are:
P. Diddy, $346 Million
Jay-Z, $340 Million
Russell Simmons, $325 Million
Damon Dash, $200 Million
The Neptunes (Pharell Williams and Chad Hugo), $155 Million
Dr. Dre, $150 Million
Ice Cube, $145 Million
Eminem, $110 Million
50 Cent, $100 Million
Nelly, $60 Million
(Tied) Jermaine Dupri, $60 Million
Note: Eminem and Chad Hugo are white and Filipino American, respectively.
Corrnifer, where are the rich white people that are donating to "White" communities? I think we are expected to take care of ourselves, most of their money goes overseas where it is really needed. There is no white godfather taking care of me or anyone else I know. This fucking bullshit. You think because Bill Gates is white that I am somehow rich? I have nothing to do with him or any rich person black or white. You are attributing wealth and power to a race and it doesn't belong there, that's not why people are rich, they are rich because we live in a capitalist society.
We, whites, have freedom of speech just as much as blacks and this Imus thing is finally getting to that point.
This whole firing of Imus reminds me of what Eddie has said, somthing along the lines of us watching it, because they will take our freedom of speech away. Freedom of the press.
I still can't believe no one is talking about that in that same segment of Imus that morning it was said "the jigaboos against the wannabees". I don't know if some of you are too young to know, but the word "jigaboo" is worse than nigger, yet no one is talking about it. That is what should had been attacked.
Whatever....Imus got a raw deal.
Sharpton and Jesses Jackson need to take the plank out of their own eye before making people take the splinter out of theirs.
Makes no difference how one becomes affluent. i could care less how Oprah made her money. That is not even close to the point. Whites and Blacks are not in the same boat. Have never been in the same boat. Did not come over on the same boat. The point is that due to the vastly different situations and historical experiences of Blacks and Whites, it doesn't even make sense to compare Bill gates and Oprah. Nor is sensible to compare Oprah using her money to benefit the Black community FIRST to "rich Whites" giving "handouts" to other whites. Its not a matter of "taking care of ourselves" You obviously don't get the difference, and i won't argue with you. There is no point to that. Afterall, you are the smartest human alive.
which means you do actually care!!
sorry. pet hate of mine.. its "couldn't care less"
Thanks for that.
You're right though. i "couldn't care less".
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
No I don't get the difference. Why don't you explain it? No body gives me money. All the social programs are available to everyone and are paid with tax dollars. There is no "White unemployment". In-fact I went to the welfare office when I was in a bad situation and they said "Well, you are a white male, it will be harder for you." and it was I had to damn near sue my previous employer. Another account from a gentleman I work with, he says he was told with his gender and ethnicity there is no way he can get welfare. Meanwhile he fucking paid for it with his taxes, just as I did. All I wanted was a few hundred bucks to carry me for a month to find work. I eventually got it, but I experienced first hand what it's like. Any given day you walk into the welfare office and you will mostly see non-white or women, it's absolutely more difficult for a male caucasian to get any kind of assistance. They say "Don't you have a rich uncle or someone you can borrow from?" fuck no. No one in my family on either side has ever been close to being rich. My family immigrated here from Pennsylvania during the American Revolution as the American's were on some fight against the British and would have killed Casper Schürch and his family if they had not moved. This is after Casper came over on the Love and Unity from Switzerland. Casper's wife and daughter died on the boat as the only food they had was RATS. Casper remarried in Pennsylvania and sent his Sons up to Markham, ON to try to get out of the American Revolution.
So what does that make me? Well it makes me a dude with white skin. And you think that makes my life any easier? How? Because someone who is white might identify with my appearance the same way black people do each other? That doesn't mean that Bill Gates is gonna send me a cheque. Nobody is giving me money, it's hard enough even getting my taxes back through the various social programs. And I can guarantee you that if a black person with a degree in Computer Science had of applied for my position, they would have him instead of me. They never even saw me before they hired me, they hired me over the phone and I never went in for an interview before hand. I could have been pink and they wouldn't have known, nor would they have cared.
Did you ever think that most of that stuff is gone? In the past? Or maybe you are living in a primitive society compared to the one I live in. I used to live in a primitive society and I left it because I realized that it was. I don't mean any offense to black communities, but honestly, they haven't had as long to be free to develop as much as european communities. If you look back at the Victorian Era white people were very crude and hateful and this is ultimately the cause of slavery and the suppression of black social evolution. In-fact it put a huge scar in black society, it segregated and abused black people and thus has caused even now a segregation. But now the segregation is of a different nature. It is largely perceptual. Social Polarization means that people will become extremists when their views are feircly challenged, something I am often convicted of. When you come out with these rash statements, generalizations and stereotypes such as "White people are racist" "White people are the cause of oppression" You are causing someone like me who has never done a thing to you or your ancestry, or benefited from some social balance, to take a step back and think that's quite hateful and someone unlike me might react irrationally, responding with a racist comment. I mean you are talking about some kind of birth right that doesn't make any sense. Sure my family was oppressed as well, I really don't care, I need to focus on what matters now in this time. We can look back on history and try not to repeat it by identifying it's causes and it's not white people. Because people have causes too. The causes were expansionism, imperialism and primitive society. Those causes were our brains collectively, which was caused by our genetics, caused by evolution, caused by the origin of life, caused by nucleic acid and plasma, caused by the sun. The chain of causality continues. It doesn't stop with people and certainly not me. I don't appreciate my skin-tone being associated with behaviors that I have never enacted. And I think it's absolutely ironic and insulting to black people to behave in a similar way to that which they seek freedom from. Many black people think this way and express it on the media, youtube, blogs, etc..
Obviously, as many of you have pointed out being white is not the same experience for everyone who is white, BUT you should understand that your whiteness does afford you several unspoken privileges that you/I cannot possibly understand unless they are taken away. If you don't believe me honestly, ask yourself this, as a white person who has 'worked for everything you've got', who have been your supervisors, teachers, bosses, and company owners? For the most part, as a white person, you've probably been taught by white people, giving tests that refer to white history, and white ways of learning, and you were praised for being successful by the white definition of success, and you probably hired by a white person who looked for white qualities in your interview, and the owner of your company was probably white, who hangs out with other white people, thinking white things, and acting in white ways. Now try to put yourself in the shoes of a minority, and try to be successful in a society that cares little, and/or erases your culture and ethnicity, then cries when you call them out on bigotry, and racism.
That's not to say that minorities should say racist things, just that there is a difference.
The sheer volume of generalizations, racial and otherwise, in your own post is hilariously ironic.
There is no difference between one racist statement and another. There may certainly be differences between the speaker, or the listener, but those differences are about individuals, not groups.
i will only say that the comments Oprah made were VERY obviously made tongue firmly planted in cheek. i'm pretty apathetic when it comes to Oprah, actually. But it seems very apparent to me that her comments were made in light hearted humor. Goofing off and poking fun at absurd stereotypes. i seriously doubt anyone present felt otherwise. It without question is in no way comparble to this Imus character referring to a women's basketball team as "nappy headed jigaboos" or whatever the heck he said. No way comparable. It seems white folks will jump on every opprotunity they can to scream about "reverse racism". This simply isn't it.
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It depends on the specific nigger and the specific cracker, man.
Sharpton et all will become irrelevant the instant people start ignoring them.
When Imus, a comedian, makes his statements it's racist,
When Oprah makes her statement it's light hearted,
and when Snoop Dog call women "bitches and ho's" it's artistic integrity.
Yah, right. If we're all equal let's apply the same standards to everyone. It always seems as if the biggest vocal proponents of equality don't quite believe in it in practice.
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After the Civil War, nobody ever said this process of integration was going to be easy. In fact, it took another 100 years and a massive Civil Rights movement just to gain a respectable footing.
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What the hell is "the black community"?
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If you don't see the difference between Imus referring to a women's basketball team as "nappy headed hos", and Oprah making a tongue-in-cheek joke based on one of the oldest stereotypes in the freakin' book, i guess i can't make you see it. As far as Snoop, when he refers to "bitches and hos" he is generally referring primarily Black women, Snoop is Black himself, so his comments aren't racist. They're stupid, pathetic, and completely disrespectful, but not racist. Snoop is a dickhead. period.
That is not okay, I thought it then, and I think it now.
If she feels that way, or other blacks for that matter, I really think they need to stay mute on this Imus thing.
I resent being told I cannot say what others can.
If certian races don't like the stereotypical things said or portrayed about them, then stop acting, and saying those things yourselves!
To me, that is where this change has to begin.
When I worked in the homeless shelter for teens, I would not allow the kids to use slangs or slurs. You know how people say "that's gay", well I wouldn't even allow that. I know people don't mean for it to be derogatory, but it is.
It is about time something happened to make people think about what they do to one another.
Anyway, want to hear a good joke...LOL!!!
prior to the imus incident; i would have said get over it. but this has gotten out of hand. if you've got any addresses; i'll take the time to write letters because this double standard has got to stop. i mentioned another incident where a black tv judge made a racist comment that offended me.
why is it that only whites don't have freedom of speach anymore?
So in other words, you're going to make the same mistake they did?
Because people decided they have a right not to be offended instead.
no; the oldest stereotypical statement is that blacks are lazy. if you're inferring that old stereotypical comments be "grandfathered in" to society; let's allow them all.
Your free speech isn't being violated. You are allowed to use that word.
So go ahead.
Use it.
i'm working on my letter to the FCC now.
then those people are wrong. i'm not only offended by the racist comments made by black celebrities but by their arrogance telling me i what i should and should not be offended by.
If you can't beat em, join em, huh?
Hehe....then why are you listening to them?