I think a person's intent should matter more than their skin colour, when we are talking who should or should not use particular words.
On the surface, I agree. But that doesn't change the implied intent when a white person calls a black person by certain names - and it's a completely different implied intent when two black people refer to each other. It's such a strong implied intent, in fact, that if a non-racist white person calls a black person certain words, that white person better have a prepared disertation ready to explain himself - to both black people and other white people.
As for Oprah's comment, all I have to say is that I don't recall black people using the phrase "white people have no rhythm" as a past cry for lynchings. Imus might not have hit that mark, either; but he was much closer.
The Simpsons is hardly any thing to derive profound overtures and undertones, from.
It explains nothing other than a joke all this reminded me of.
But thanks for the advice on what I can and cannot "derive profound overtures and undertones from." I'll make sure I file NMyTree under the same heading.
On the surface, I agree. But that doesn't change the implied intent when a white person calls a black person by certain names - and it's a completely different implied intent when two black people refer to each other. It's such a strong implied intent, in fact, that if a non-racist white person calls a black person certain words, that white person better have a prepared disertation ready to explain himself - to both black people and other white people.
As for Oprah's comment, all I have to say is that I don't recall black people using the phrase "white people have no rhythm" as a past cry for lynchings. Imus might not have hit that mark, either; but he was much closer.
She still shouldn't be using stupid stereotypes as some kind of a joke, either ... Not if members of other groups cannot get away with it. White people have no rhythm is one of those fairly benign stereotypes, kinda like black people hate camping.
Anyhow, that's the fundamental point ... Either we should all have a sense of humour, or the rules should apply in a consistent way. I'd prefer the former option, although admittedly what Imus said wasn't funny.
she makes bank, that's why she can say what she wants. If imus or whatever made that kinda money, he could probably of changed his show to "nappy headed ho's"
It explains nothing other than a joke all this reminded me of.
But thanks for the advice on what I can and cannot "derive profound overtures and undertones from." I'll make sure I file NMyTree under the same heading.
It's funny you claim to understand a joke on the Simpsons, but completely lost on a joke by Imus. Oh well, I suppose we are all a product of what we are exposed to.
she makes bank, that's why she can say what she wants. If imus or whatever made that kinda money, he could probably of changed his show to "nappy headed ho's"
Are you kidding? Imus has made a killing with his show and his contract was worth several million dollars. Something like......30+ million, if I remember correctly.
she makes bank, that's why she can say what she wants. If imus or whatever made that kinda money, he could probably of changed his show to "nappy headed ho's"
Point ... Imus has no book club, nor legions of brainwashed fans who cling to him for "inspiration".
It's funny you claim to understand a joke on the Simpsons, but completely lost on a joke by Imus. Oh well, I suppose we are all a product of what we are exposed to.
As I said before, Imus's "joke" didn't lose me. Oh well, I suppose we can't all have that refined, sublime sense of humor that some on this board exude.
She still shouldn't be using stupid stereotypes as some kind of a joke, either ... Not if members of other groups cannot get away with it. White people have no rhythm is one of those fairly benign stereotypes, kinda like black people hate camping.
Anyhow, that's the fundamental point ... Either we should all have a sense of humour, or the rules should apply in a consistent way. I'd prefer the former option, although admittedly what Imus said wasn't funny.
I don't think we should remove all stereotypical humor - or any for that matter. Each joke should stand on it's own, and that's what's happened here. Imus's joke, when presented, wasn't only mean spirited, but it wasn't funny or really all that defensible.
Since I brought up Pulp Fiction before, let me say that Tarantino - a white guy - has written some damn funny, and somewhat mean spirited, racial humor (sorry, I just saw Grindhouse this weekend, and the man's on my mind). So has Mencia and Chappelle. But racial slurs, in and of themselves, are not funny. Shocking, maybe - and if that's all a shock jock is supposed to do, so be it - but not automatically funny. And, when you push that envelope, you have to be careful. You're always going to offend somebody - but if you don't do it right, you'll likely offend far more than you'll make chuckle. Then you lose money, then you lose your job.
I don't think we should remove all stereotypical humor - or any for that matter. Each joke should stand on it's own, and that's what's happened here. Imus's joke, when presented, wasn't only mean spirited, but it wasn't funny or really all that defensible.
Since I brought up Pulp Fiction before, let me say that Tarantino - a white guy - has written some damn funny, and somewhat mean spirited, racial humor (sorry, I just saw Grindhouse this weekend, and the man's on my mind). So has Mencia and Chappelle. But racial slurs, in and of themselves, are not funny. Shocking, maybe - and if that's all a shock jock is supposed to do, so be it - but not automatically funny. And, when you push that envelope, you have to be careful. You're always going to offend somebody - but if you don't do it right, you'll likely offend far more than you'll make chuckle. Then you lose money, then you lose your job.
Clearly you didn't get it. You keep claining you "get it". But you do not. This post certainly proves that.
Well, if I don't get it, how am I supposed to get that I don't get it if someone of your calibre doesn't explain to me how I should get it?
If I remember right, a couple pages back he said that racism was a spermicide that needed lubrication, and that by retribution, the spermicide spreads.
If I remember right, a couple pages back he said that racism was a spermicide that needed lubrication, and that by retribution, the spermicide spreads.
yes it is common venacular. my dad picked up the phrase "it'll blow your mind" back in the 70's. he uses it to this day but he picked it up because those around him used it frequently. btw; he's 73.
so when you're in an office with 20 people and 19 of them use the word nigger the way i use the word dude or man; the 20th person is going to pick up that word or phrase.
The word, in no way can be described as COMMON vernacular. The 20th person better be careful. He is about to have 19 coworkers kicking his pale ass.
Justifiably.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Are you kidding? Imus has made a killing with his show and his contract was worth several million dollars. Something like......30+ million, if I remember correctly.
as reborn mentioned, Oprah has a very very devoted base. also imus money is still very small compared to Oprah.
The word, in no way can be described as COMMON vernacular. The 20th person better be careful. He is about to have 19 coworkers kicking his pale ass.
Justifiably.
I believe NMyTree also thought Michael Richards' little tyrade was quite "profound." And I'm the one with a malfunctioning sense of humor?
I usually try to stay out of these. I guess it doesn't do any harm for people to air their grievances, though, I mean, that's the point. It can lead to better things. For instance, today, 69Charger learned that it was a big shot conservative that led the charge to get Imus off the air, while he had been led to believe it was a case of liberalism.
Parasite ~ spermicide. I always confuse those two.
I believe NMyTree also thought Michael Richards' little tyrade was quite "profound." And I'm the one with a malfunctioning sense of humor?
Incorrect.
Once again your inability to comprehend the subject matter at hand and over-simplify everything, has exposed you.
I never thought what Richards said was profound. I found the reaction to what he said by blacks and the overly-PC; to be quite revealing and yes....profound. Especially when everyone completely ignored that the emotionally wounded black guy who continued to escalate the matter, soon afterwards started seeking a financial kickback and had in fact, been the first one to spout a stereotypical racist/discriminatory attack towards Richards, when he was heckling him.
The overly-PC and alleged overly-sensitive did their best to ignore those facts and continue to defend the double-standard.
That was a very revealing moment.
Now return to your regularly scheduled misinterpretations and incomprehensible disposition.
Since Rainy likes to use television shows as his main source of reference, let me submit one.
This reminds me of that episode of Sienfeld when Jerry makes a reservation for a rent-a-car, but when he goes to pick up the car; they have rented it out. He debates the meaning of taking a reservation with the Rental car company's Rep and tells her she really doesn't understand how reservations work. That the most important part of taking a reservation, is to actually hold the car for him. Anyone can just take a reservation:D
Staying out of it, actually requires one to abstain from being involved:D
Since Rainy likes to use television shows as his main source of reference, let me submit one.
This reminds me of that episode of Sienfeld when Jerry makes a reservation for a rent-a-car, but when he goes to pick up the car; they have rented it out. He debates the meaning of taking a reservation with the Rental car company's Rep and tells her she really doesn't understand how reservations work. That the most important part of taking a reservation, is to actually hold the car for him. Anyone can just take a reservation:D
Staying out of it, actually requires one to abstain from being involved:D
That was a funny show in it's day. I watch the reruns now and again.
Remember "eenie, meenie, minee, moe"?
It goes,
eenie meenie minee moe,
caught a nmytree by the toe
if he holla, make he pay-uh
fit-tuh dollah e'vree day-uh.
For instance, today, 69Charger learned that it was a big shot conservative that led the charge to get Imus off the air, while he had been led to believe it was a case of liberalism.
Last time I checked neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson are labeled as 'big shot conservatives'.
Last time I checked neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson are labeled as 'big shot conservatives'.
So, you're telling me the conservative owner of Staples, the strong supporter of that silly willy Romney from Massachussetts, is afraid of what Sharpton and Jackson have to think about him and his constituents?
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As for Oprah's comment, all I have to say is that I don't recall black people using the phrase "white people have no rhythm" as a past cry for lynchings. Imus might not have hit that mark, either; but he was much closer.
But thanks for the advice on what I can and cannot "derive profound overtures and undertones from." I'll make sure I file NMyTree under the same heading.
She still shouldn't be using stupid stereotypes as some kind of a joke, either ... Not if members of other groups cannot get away with it. White people have no rhythm is one of those fairly benign stereotypes, kinda like black people hate camping.
Anyhow, that's the fundamental point ... Either we should all have a sense of humour, or the rules should apply in a consistent way. I'd prefer the former option, although admittedly what Imus said wasn't funny.
she makes bank, that's why she can say what she wants. If imus or whatever made that kinda money, he could probably of changed his show to "nappy headed ho's"
It's funny you claim to understand a joke on the Simpsons, but completely lost on a joke by Imus. Oh well, I suppose we are all a product of what we are exposed to.
Are you kidding? Imus has made a killing with his show and his contract was worth several million dollars. Something like......30+ million, if I remember correctly.
Point ... Imus has no book club, nor legions of brainwashed fans who cling to him for "inspiration".
Now you're getting it:D:D;)
But you forgot to include sophisticated and complex:D:D
Since I brought up Pulp Fiction before, let me say that Tarantino - a white guy - has written some damn funny, and somewhat mean spirited, racial humor (sorry, I just saw Grindhouse this weekend, and the man's on my mind). So has Mencia and Chappelle. But racial slurs, in and of themselves, are not funny. Shocking, maybe - and if that's all a shock jock is supposed to do, so be it - but not automatically funny. And, when you push that envelope, you have to be careful. You're always going to offend somebody - but if you don't do it right, you'll likely offend far more than you'll make chuckle. Then you lose money, then you lose your job.
Clearly you didn't get it. You keep claining you "get it". But you do not. This post certainly proves that.
If I remember right, a couple pages back he said that racism was a spermicide that needed lubrication, and that by retribution, the spermicide spreads.
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Oh, that wasn't it. It was "parasite". Nevermind.
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The word, in no way can be described as COMMON vernacular. The 20th person better be careful. He is about to have 19 coworkers kicking his pale ass.
Justifiably.
as reborn mentioned, Oprah has a very very devoted base. also imus money is still very small compared to Oprah.
no; the 20th person carries a gun.
And...what? Person 20 says, "lookit me, I'm saying 'niger, nigger, nigger!!!! ahahahahah'...come on, do something!" ???
Jesus Christ man, grow the fuck up.
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I usually try to stay out of these. I guess it doesn't do any harm for people to air their grievances, though, I mean, that's the point. It can lead to better things. For instance, today, 69Charger learned that it was a big shot conservative that led the charge to get Imus off the air, while he had been led to believe it was a case of liberalism.
Parasite ~ spermicide. I always confuse those two.
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Incorrect.
Once again your inability to comprehend the subject matter at hand and over-simplify everything, has exposed you.
I never thought what Richards said was profound. I found the reaction to what he said by blacks and the overly-PC; to be quite revealing and yes....profound. Especially when everyone completely ignored that the emotionally wounded black guy who continued to escalate the matter, soon afterwards started seeking a financial kickback and had in fact, been the first one to spout a stereotypical racist/discriminatory attack towards Richards, when he was heckling him.
The overly-PC and alleged overly-sensitive did their best to ignore those facts and continue to defend the double-standard.
That was a very revealing moment.
Now return to your regularly scheduled misinterpretations and incomprehensible disposition.
That's really not hard to believe at all.
I said, I stay out of these things.
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Good job staying out:D
Usually, usually.
But, if ya wanna dance...:D
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Since Rainy likes to use television shows as his main source of reference, let me submit one.
This reminds me of that episode of Sienfeld when Jerry makes a reservation for a rent-a-car, but when he goes to pick up the car; they have rented it out. He debates the meaning of taking a reservation with the Rental car company's Rep and tells her she really doesn't understand how reservations work. That the most important part of taking a reservation, is to actually hold the car for him. Anyone can just take a reservation:D
Staying out of it, actually requires one to abstain from being involved:D
That was a funny show in it's day. I watch the reruns now and again.
Remember "eenie, meenie, minee, moe"?
It goes,
eenie meenie minee moe,
caught a nmytree by the toe
if he holla, make he pay-uh
fit-tuh dollah e'vree day-uh.
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Last time I checked neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson are labeled as 'big shot conservatives'.
So, you're telling me the conservative owner of Staples, the strong supporter of that silly willy Romney from Massachussetts, is afraid of what Sharpton and Jackson have to think about him and his constituents?
What kind of wimps do you look up to?
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