Oprah Makes A Sterotypical Racist Comment!

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

Nah, I don't agree with that combination. It's carrying implications that are vague.

For example, if I am sexually harassed by a white woman at work, a woman in a better financial position, being a white man, I'm not gonna sue her, know why? Cause I can't afford it, and she can. Race has nothing to do with it.

Racism is simply a racial prejudice. That is racism, you are describing economic power + racism, which is still racism apart from there also being economic or political power. Put the two together means absolutely nothing. You don't create a new thing by putting the two together, if you do your distorting and exagerating the reality of it.

What would be the difference if I got turned down from a job if the employer was pink? I mean, y'all are taking skin pigmentation too far, it comes down to DNA switching on and off a couple of genes.

Hang on a minute...the boss is really riding me...

ahem..ok

Do you think Oprah is racist?

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

Hang on a minute...the boss is really riding me...

ahem..ok

Do you think Oprah is racist?

I can't really say that. Oprah is a constantly changing entity, I can't speak for her self now, after what has already been done. I can only speak about what has been done, and yea it was racist.

musicismylife78

racism by definition implies power. To be racist implies a system, power, control

To be prejudice is to have preconscieved notions. Everyone is prejudiced but only some people namely white males are racist.

Again, watch Crash. Everyone in that movie has prejudice about other races or genders. Every character I think except the latino locksmith.

But its only the whites who have the power, who have control, who have the system

musicismylife78

racism by definition implies power. To be racist implies a system, power, control

To be prejudice is to have preconscieved notions. Everyone is prejudiced but only some people namely white males are racist.

Again, watch Crash. Everyone in that movie has prejudice about other races or genders. Every character I think except the latino locksmith.

But its only the whites who have the power, who have control, who have the system

To be racist, implies power. The N Word is a gross and disturbing word. TO me its worse and more offensive than the F word. But I think it wouldnt be as hurtful and insulting if the history of racism towards people of color didnt exist in our country. If all along blacks were looked at as equal to whites, the n word would essentially be meaningless. How it exists now, it connotes a racist history. Of whites who had freedom, and refused to give freedom and equality to blacks.

Thats whats so funny about people saying Malcolm X is racist by calling whites "blue eyed devils". malcolm was prejudiced. In 1964 blacks had no power and arguably have no power, the whites controlled and owned blacks. So in order for what he said to be racist, blacks would have to have an entire system of racism where they oppressed, harassed, lynched, shot, raped, murdered, brutalized, tarred and feathered, castrated, spit on etc...

Blacks had none of that.

Its a hell of a lot different than some white man calling a black man the n word. WHites control the prison system, the social system, government, the presidency, the cops, etc...

Blacks dont have control of that. How can a black person be racist? Some are prejudiced but none are racist.

Ahnimus

Cheguevara6 wrote:

racism by definition implies power. To be racist implies a system, power, control

To be prejudice is to have preconscieved notions. Everyone is prejudiced but only some people namely white males are racist.

Again, watch Crash. Everyone in that movie has prejudice about other races or genders. Every character I think except the latino locksmith.

But its only the whites who have the power, who have control, who have the system

I just posted the definition dude. Racism is racial prejudice.

Not everyone is racist, and not all white people are in positions of power, not all white people even like each other and not all people in power are white. None of that makes any sense to me. I think you are looking at it situationally and trying to work the language and the facts to your best interest.

Ahnimus

Cheguevara6 wrote:

racism by definition implies power. To be racist implies a system, power, control

To be prejudice is to have preconscieved notions. Everyone is prejudiced but only some people namely white males are racist.

Again, watch Crash. Everyone in that movie has prejudice about other races or genders. Every character I think except the latino locksmith.

But its only the whites who have the power, who have control, who have the system

To be racist, implies power. The N Word is a gross and disturbing word. TO me its worse and more offensive than the F word. But I think it wouldnt be as hurtful and insulting if the history of racism towards people of color didnt exist in our country. If all along blacks were looked at as equal to whites, the n word would essentially be meaningless. How it exists now, it connotes a racist history. Of whites who had freedom, and refused to give freedom and equality to blacks.

Thats whats so funny about people saying Malcolm X is racist by calling whites "blue eyed devils". malcolm was prejudiced. In 1964 blacks had no power and arguably have no power, the whites controlled and owned blacks. So in order for what he said to be racist, blacks would have to have an entire system of racism where they oppressed, harassed, lynched, shot, raped, murdered, brutalized, tarred and feathered, castrated, spit on etc...

Blacks had none of that.

Its a hell of a lot different than some white man calling a black man the n word. WHites control the prison system, the social system, government, the presidency, the cops, etc...

Blacks dont have control of that. How can a black person be racist? Some are prejudiced but none are racist.

Oops, sorry, who's country? Oh forgot we all live in America with all that black oppression so all white people in the whole fucking world are like the ones you are describing, in your country which makes up a fraction of the world. What? American geocentrism? Something like that.

musicismylife78

plus the whole context is off. Words do hurt, when either color says them. But a black man calling a white man a cracker and a white man calling a black man the n word is two seperate scenarios. The slur against the white man may indeed hurt and stund, but the black man holds no power. he cant deny the white man his job, he cant follow him in stores and arrest him based on his skin color, he cant racially profile the white man, he cant rape his wife and then hang and castrate the white mans uncle or father or brother. The black man cant do anything. He is powerless. A white man, who calls Black men the n word, can actually act on his feelings and be backed up by larger society. The white man can rape, murder, and castrate the black man, the white man can deny the black man a job, the white man can racially profile the black male, the white male can get some cops on the case who can shoot the black male and then accuse the black male of acting out of line and on drugs.

You really think Hurricane Katrina wasnt racist, or the reaction to it wasnt? The refering to the people in the superdome as animals and mongrels and beasts, and suggesting they were raping people in the superdome. Whites have power. Who do you think ran those soundbites? Who owns the tv stations and newspapers who lied and said hundreds of thugs, black males, were running around in the superdome raping people?

Whites have power. Even the poorest white male has more power than a latino female or black female.

You always hear men act like women can be sexist or get angry about "men hating lesbians", I mean come on! Women should have all the power in the world, but they have virtually none.

musicismylife78

I am a white male. Whether I like it or not, IO am the generic human being. The color of my skin has and will benefit me in the future and has benefitted me in the past.

Heres a list. As a white male, I have at least 50 priviledges that nonwhites dont have. Still say whites dont have power?

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

seanw1010

Cheguevara6 wrote:

the fact remains. To be racist, one must have power. Black people arent in power. They dont have power. Racism is a system, a social system, even a civilization, a way of life. You cant have racism without power.

So to suggest blacks are in power in the u.s. is ridiculous

The whole thing about racism is that blacks were owned by whites. Blacks worked for little or nothing for whites. blacks were raped by overseers and masters. Blacks were whipped. It was all part of not one individual or person, but a whole social system, a system of power.

If you have no power, you cant be racist. You can be prejudiced, but not racist.

Thats what Crash was about. ALL races were predjudiced but only the whites were racist. None of the nonwhite characters had power

Oprah was prejudiced not racist, big difference.

A Latino calling a white person a cracker or a gringo is prejudiced. But given the history of latinos in the world and latinos and the u.s., its fair to say, that if a white person was to call a latino a wetback or lazy, thats racism. Whites have power. latinos dont.

Calling a women the b word is sexism. We live in a patriarchy. Males control the world. A woman calling a man some name isnt sexism. Its prejudice or maybe even the truth. Woman have no power, males do. Therefore women cant be sexist

are you joking or are you serious?

Ahnimus

Cheguevara6 wrote:

plus the whole context is off. Words do hurt, when either color says them. But a black man calling a white man a cracker and a white man calling a black man the n word is two seperate scenarios. The slur against the white man may indeed hurt and stund, but the black man holds no power. he cant deny the white man his job, he cant follow him in stores and arrest him based on his skin color, he cant racially profile the white man, he cant rape his wife and then hang and castrate the white mans uncle or father or brother. The black man cant do anything. He is powerless. A white man, who calls Black men the n word, can actually act on his feelings and be backed up by larger society. The white man can rape, murder, and castrate the black man, the white man can deny the black man a job, the white man can racially profile the black male, the white male can get some cops on the case who can shoot the black male and then accuse the black male of acting out of line and on drugs.

You really think Hurricane Katrina wasnt racist, or the reaction to it wasnt? The refering to the people in the superdome as animals and mongrels and beasts, and suggesting they were raping people in the superdome. Whites have power. Who do you think ran those soundbites? Who owns the tv stations and newspapers who lied and said hundreds of thugs, black males, were running around in the superdome raping people?

Whites have power. Even the poorest white male has more power than a latino female or black female.

You always hear men act like women can be sexist or get angry about "men hating lesbians", I mean come on! Women should have all the power in the world, but they have virtually none.

That's all a crock of shit man. I'm sorry. I don't have any power. In Canada's society today, a black man or any colour woman has more social power than me.

seanw1010

Ahnimus wrote:

That's all a crock of shit man. I'm sorry. I don't have any power. In Canada's society today, a black man or any colour woman has more social power than me.

i really agree with you on this one.....

BUFFALO

should oprah be fired ???????

Purple Hawk

BUFFALO wrote:

should oprah be fired ???????

I don't know, but the Islanders suck!

Ahnimus

seanw1010 wrote:

i really agree with you on this one.....

Yea, and I personally don't care, except I keep being labelled "The racist white man" because "all white people are racist" and that horseshit over and over again, it's getting pretty old, thankfully NOT "all back people" are like that.

BUFFALO

Purple Hawk wrote:

I don't know, but the Islanders suck!

hey pominville nation grew again by another one tonight lol

cornnifer

Ahnimus wrote:

I just posted the definition dude. Racism is racial prejudice.

Not everyone is racist, and not all white people are in positions of power, not all white people even like each other and not all people in power are white. None of that makes any sense to me. I think you are looking at it situationally and trying to work the language and the facts to your best interest.

i think you need to take a break from wikipedia, Youtube, dictionary.com, and the internet in general and actually learn to think for yourself and formulate an original thought of your own. Sometimes far more important than a words dictionary definition is its conotation.

Racism DOES, in fact, imply power, and, in general, Blacks in America don't have much of that (oh, i know, here's where you come back at me with a list of professional athletes with a lot of money :rolleyes: ). By the same token there are whites (such as myself, and for all i know, you) who have none either. In all fairness it should be said that, technically, you or i cannot be racist either.
There is a difference between racism and racial prejudice, despite whatever dictionary style definition you cut and paste from some online source.

ItsEvolutionBaby74

polaris wrote:

as a man - why are you watching oprah??

LMAO

ItsEvolutionBaby74

NMyTree wrote:

Are you making a discriminatory and biggoted implication regarding my sexual orientation and homosexuality in general? That's discrimination! You bigot! Hater!

GET UP COME ON GET DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS!!!

[SUBTEXT] --lighten up-- [SUBTEXT]

Ahnimus

cornnifer wrote:

i think you need to take a break from wikipedia, Youtube, dictionary.com, and the internet in general and actually learn to think for yourself and formulate an original thought of your own. Sometimes far more important than a words dictionary definition is its conotation.

Racism DOES, in fact, imply power, and, in general, Blacks in America don't have much of that (oh, i know, here's where you come back at me with a list of professional athletes with a lot of money :rolleyes: ). By the same token there are whites (such as myself, and for all i know, you) who have none either. In all fairness it should be said that, technically, you or i cannot be racist either.
There is a difference between racism and racial prejudice, despite whatever dictionary style definition you cut and paste from some online source.

Power corrupts, doesn't matter what your skin colour is. I think all of that is a bunch of bullshit. But I know your unwavering thoughts on racism Cornnifer.

callen

Ahnimus wrote:

That's all a crock of shit man. I'm sorry. I don't have any power. In Canada's society today, a black man or any colour woman has more social power than me.

The majority wins...the ones with money win...not the minority...wtf.