I have to wonder about white people who complain that their free speech is being violated because they're not allowed to use the word "nigger" when referring to African Americans.
Your free speech isn't being violated. You are allowed to use that word.
freedom of speech means you can state your opinion and not be punished for it. you seem to be leaving out that very important element.
No. Freedom of speech means you can state your opinion without a legal obligation attached to it. It does not mean you have a right to impose certain reactions onto people.
i guess because the blacks made such a big deal about the comments of a comedian. they brought it to my attention. they showed me the double standard. if we're suppose to be equal; then let's be equal.
No. Freedom of speech means you can state your opinion without a legal obligation attached to it. It does not mean you have a right to impose certain reactions onto people.
wow; you mean i have the power to impose reactions on people? i have the power to make people feel certain emotions?
excuse me; i'm going to go see if i can walk on water too.
There's a fine line between freedom of speech, hate speech, and fighting words. You can't just say anything you want to. Like it or not, there are limitations.
i guess because the blacks made such a big deal about the comments of a comedian. they brought it to my attention. they showed me the double standard. if we're suppose to be equal; then let's be equal.
Dude, just because someone "brings something to your attention" doesn't mean you a) have to buy into it or b) have to stoop to their level.
I certainly agree that there's a double standard. But people are and should be free to hold onto those double standards. Justice is found by simply treating those people like what they are: idiots, not criminals.
wow; you mean i have the power to impose reactions on people? i have the power to make people feel certain emotions?
excuse me; i'm going to go see if i can walk on water too.
Once you're talking about getting the FCC involved, you're talking very much about the power to impose.
freedom of speech means you can state your opinion and not be punished for it. you seem to be leaving out that very important element.
Walk around any "multi-cultural" area of the country (euphemism for "city") and shout out racial slurs. Then let me know who punishes you. Likely it won't be the government.
I watched one of her shows where she said to another black that it is okay to call one another "nigga". She then kinda jokingly said it to the guy.
That is not okay, I thought it then, and I think it now.
If she feels that way, or other blacks for that matter, I really think they need to stay mute on this Imus thing.
I resent being told I cannot say what others can.
If certian races don't like the stereotypical things said or portrayed about them, then stop acting, and saying those things yourselves!
To me, that is where this change has to begin.
When I worked in the homeless shelter for teens, I would not allow the kids to use slangs or slurs. You know how people say "that's gay", well I wouldn't even allow that. I know people don't mean for it to be derogatory, but it is.
It is about time something happened to make people think about what they do to one another.
Anyway, want to hear a good joke...LOL!!!
Oprah saying its ok for Blacks to refer to EACHOTHER in such a way is not the same thing as Oprah calling or saying its ok for Blacks, in general, to refer to white folks as Honky, Cracker, Fishbelly, etc. She didn't do that. Unfortunately, many Blacks feel its ok to use this word with EACHOTHER. Personally, i agree with you that they should not. i vehemently disagree, however that if they use it with eachother, than its o.k for whites to use it with them. It simply is not the same thing. No way near it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
freedom of speech means you can state your opinion and not be punished for it. you seem to be leaving out that very important element.
There's no such thing as complete freedom of speech. If you walk down the neighborhood yelling out kike, nigger, spic, wetback, or any other racial slur that comes into your head, the law can define that has hate speech and take action.
Also, if you say something that falls under the fighting words catergory, that's not protected either.
But as I said before, trying to proved what category it falls under would be the hardest thing. Regardless, you can say a lot of shit and get away with it. but just because you CAN say it, doesnt mean you should.
Walk around any "multi-cultural" area of the country (euphemism for "city") and shout out racial slurs. Then let me know who punishes you. Likely it won't be the government.
but it's ok for blacks to make white stereotypical remarks? on the tele yet? on national television? that's a double standard which is what breeds hate.
There's no such thing as complete freedom of speech. If you walk down the neighborhood yelling out kike, nigger, spic, wetback, or any other racial slur that comes into your head, the law can define that has hate speech and take action.
Also, if you say something that falls under the fighting words catergory, that's not protected either.
But as I said before, trying to proved what category it falls under would be the hardest thing. Regardless, you can say a lot of shit and get away with it. but just because you CAN say it, doesnt mean you should.
and because they can make stereotypical remarks; doesn't mean they should. that is my point.
but it's ok for blacks to make white stereotypical remarks? on the tele yet? on national television? that's a double standard which is what breeds hate.
Isn't a word only offensive if you allow it to be?
I mean, if someone wants to call me a honky, a cracker, or whitey, I dont give a fuck. Why would I?
Do you agree that the FCC should be involved in the Imus case?
no i don't. but since the black leaders made such a big deal about it and caused the FCC in be involved; i plan on pushing it to the point of rediculous to make a point. watch "mind of mencia" and hear the racial comments made by other comedians. but carlos is not white so he can say it. that's bs. if carlos can say it everyone should be able to. maybe if this is pushed to the point where everyone is muzzled; people will wake up.
Isn't a word only offensive if you allow it to be?
I mean, if someone wants to call me a honky, a cracker, or whitey, I dont give a fuck. Why would I?
exactly. my grandfather used to say WORDS ARE LIKE FARTS; THEY DISIPATE IN THE WIND. so why can't i tell an ethnic joke but a minority can tell the same joke? all i'm asking for is equality.
I have to wonder about white people who complain that their free speech is being violated because they're not allowed to use the word "nigger" when referring to African Americans.
Your free speech isn't being violated. You are allowed to use that word.
exactly. my grandfather used to say WORDS ARE LIKE FARTS; THEY DISIPATE IN THE WIND. so why can't i tell an ethnic joke but a minority can tell the same joke? all i'm asking for is equality.
Why would you want to?
I think that people who make racist remarks are idiots. I do not aspire to be an idiot, so I'm not concerned with whether or not I can make idiotic comments.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.
You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.
Oh yeah....
There are certain terms that I've simply learned to tune out because they have no meaning. "Black community" and "white community" are both on that list.
no i don't. but since the black leaders made such a big deal about it and caused the FCC in be involved; i plan on pushing it to the point of rediculous to make a point. watch "mind of mencia" and hear the racial comments made by other comedians. but carlos is not white so he can say it. that's bs. if carlos can say it everyone should be able to. maybe if this is pushed to the point where everyone is muzzled; people will wake up.
Yeah, I see your point, but two wrongs do not make a right. Be the change you want to see and don't act in ways you find 'wrong'. I personally do not want to see everyone 'muzzled'. I think it is apparent to most that the Imus thing was handled inappropriately by the 'black leaders' and the hypocrisy is obvious. There was even a piece by a black sports writer that pointed this out and how it takes away from the real issues at hand. I guess all I'm saying is don't resort to the same tactics.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
not at all. nappy headed ho's is a common catch phrase among the hip hop culture and should be allowed to be said by everyone or no one. we shouldn't have our speech regulated by skin colour.
There's a fine line between freedom of speech, hate speech, and fighting words. You can't just say anything you want to. Like it or not, there are limitations.
Well, if that's the case then, that should be the rule for all people, correct?
Or are we going to allow "certain" people to say anything and everything they want, regardless how racist/discriminatory and make excuses for them? Meanwhile, stringently hold other groups of people to a different standard?
You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.
but i'm white and i wasn't alive 150 years ago. in fact; my family didn't come to this country until after WWI. my remaining family was enslaved and murdered by hitler. so how am i to blame for slavery?
(i'm with you on this; i'm trying to make a point.)
not at all. nappy headed ho's is a common catch phrase among the hip hop culture and should be allowed to be said by everyone or no one. we shouldn't have our speech regulated by skin colour.
Then why the hell are you proposing doing the same thing? When you buy into evil to "prove a point", all you're doing is proving that you're evil.
Well, if that's the case then, that should be the rule for all people, correct?
Or are we going to allow "certain" people to say anything and everything they want, regardless how racist/discriminatory and make excuses for them? Meanwhile, stringently hold other groups of people to a different standard?
Personally, no I dont think so. When I hear something I dont like. I stop listening. Did it with Richards, did it with Gibson, did it with O'reilly. Hey, if people want to sit there and listen to ignorant remarks coming from an ignorant person, go ahead and start up the circle jerk.
Yeah, I see your point, but two wrongs do not make a right. Be the change you want to see and don't act in ways you find 'wrong'. I personally do not want to see everyone 'muzzled'. I think it is apparent to most that the Imus thing was handled inappropriately by the 'black leaders' and the hypocrisy is obvious. There was even a piece by a black sports writer that pointed this out and how it takes away from the real issues at hand. I guess all I'm saying is don't resort to the same tactics.
We don't have to resort to the same tactics. But sometimes an illustration of that behavior can help in pointing out the double-standards being utilized by some black people. There is this notion of entitlement among some black people. I've never understood why any white people would have an entitlement complex; same with black people or anyone else.
We're either interested in moving ahead, achieving true equality and achieving true progress; or we're going to get stuck in a vicious cycle of racial hate and discrimination. Which by the way, always works it's way back to the past; in terms of roles and attitudes. What's going on today with black people and what has been going on for several years now, is only going to bring it all full circle. The history of human behavior proves this. History is philty with exactly this type of a vicious, racial/discriminatory cycle.
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freedom of speech means you can state your opinion and not be punished for it. you seem to be leaving out that very important element.
No. Freedom of speech means you can state your opinion without a legal obligation attached to it. It does not mean you have a right to impose certain reactions onto people.
i guess because the blacks made such a big deal about the comments of a comedian. they brought it to my attention. they showed me the double standard. if we're suppose to be equal; then let's be equal.
wow; you mean i have the power to impose reactions on people? i have the power to make people feel certain emotions?
excuse me; i'm going to go see if i can walk on water too.
Dude, just because someone "brings something to your attention" doesn't mean you a) have to buy into it or b) have to stoop to their level.
I certainly agree that there's a double standard. But people are and should be free to hold onto those double standards. Justice is found by simply treating those people like what they are: idiots, not criminals.
Once you're talking about getting the FCC involved, you're talking very much about the power to impose.
Oprah saying its ok for Blacks to refer to EACHOTHER in such a way is not the same thing as Oprah calling or saying its ok for Blacks, in general, to refer to white folks as Honky, Cracker, Fishbelly, etc. She didn't do that. Unfortunately, many Blacks feel its ok to use this word with EACHOTHER. Personally, i agree with you that they should not. i vehemently disagree, however that if they use it with eachother, than its o.k for whites to use it with them. It simply is not the same thing. No way near it.
There's no such thing as complete freedom of speech. If you walk down the neighborhood yelling out kike, nigger, spic, wetback, or any other racial slur that comes into your head, the law can define that has hate speech and take action.
Also, if you say something that falls under the fighting words catergory, that's not protected either.
But as I said before, trying to proved what category it falls under would be the hardest thing. Regardless, you can say a lot of shit and get away with it. but just because you CAN say it, doesnt mean you should.
the FCC is involved in the imus case. what's the difference?
but it's ok for blacks to make white stereotypical remarks? on the tele yet? on national television? that's a double standard which is what breeds hate.
Do you agree that the FCC should be involved in the Imus case?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
and because they can make stereotypical remarks; doesn't mean they should. that is my point.
Isn't a word only offensive if you allow it to be?
I mean, if someone wants to call me a honky, a cracker, or whitey, I dont give a fuck. Why would I?
no i don't. but since the black leaders made such a big deal about it and caused the FCC in be involved; i plan on pushing it to the point of rediculous to make a point. watch "mind of mencia" and hear the racial comments made by other comedians. but carlos is not white so he can say it. that's bs. if carlos can say it everyone should be able to. maybe if this is pushed to the point where everyone is muzzled; people will wake up.
exactly. my grandfather used to say WORDS ARE LIKE FARTS; THEY DISIPATE IN THE WIND. so why can't i tell an ethnic joke but a minority can tell the same joke? all i'm asking for is equality.
Do you think the Imus case is a valid one?
Who the hell said that?
LOL, stoned?
I think that people who make racist remarks are idiots. I do not aspire to be an idiot, so I'm not concerned with whether or not I can make idiotic comments.
You know, just like the "white community" of today, who apparently is to blame for slavery and all the ills and problems of every non-white on the planet.
Oh yeah....
There are certain terms that I've simply learned to tune out because they have no meaning. "Black community" and "white community" are both on that list.
Yeah, I see your point, but two wrongs do not make a right. Be the change you want to see and don't act in ways you find 'wrong'. I personally do not want to see everyone 'muzzled'. I think it is apparent to most that the Imus thing was handled inappropriately by the 'black leaders' and the hypocrisy is obvious. There was even a piece by a black sports writer that pointed this out and how it takes away from the real issues at hand. I guess all I'm saying is don't resort to the same tactics.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
not at all. nappy headed ho's is a common catch phrase among the hip hop culture and should be allowed to be said by everyone or no one. we shouldn't have our speech regulated by skin colour.
Well, if that's the case then, that should be the rule for all people, correct?
Or are we going to allow "certain" people to say anything and everything they want, regardless how racist/discriminatory and make excuses for them? Meanwhile, stringently hold other groups of people to a different standard?
but i'm white and i wasn't alive 150 years ago. in fact; my family didn't come to this country until after WWI. my remaining family was enslaved and murdered by hitler. so how am i to blame for slavery?
(i'm with you on this; i'm trying to make a point.)
Then why the hell are you proposing doing the same thing? When you buy into evil to "prove a point", all you're doing is proving that you're evil.
Personally, no I dont think so. When I hear something I dont like. I stop listening. Did it with Richards, did it with Gibson, did it with O'reilly. Hey, if people want to sit there and listen to ignorant remarks coming from an ignorant person, go ahead and start up the circle jerk.
We don't have to resort to the same tactics. But sometimes an illustration of that behavior can help in pointing out the double-standards being utilized by some black people. There is this notion of entitlement among some black people. I've never understood why any white people would have an entitlement complex; same with black people or anyone else.
We're either interested in moving ahead, achieving true equality and achieving true progress; or we're going to get stuck in a vicious cycle of racial hate and discrimination. Which by the way, always works it's way back to the past; in terms of roles and attitudes. What's going on today with black people and what has been going on for several years now, is only going to bring it all full circle. The history of human behavior proves this. History is philty with exactly this type of a vicious, racial/discriminatory cycle.