Sometimes non-action is more heinous and deplorable then taking action

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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    Boondock Saints was a great movie.
    :)
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    my2hands wrote:
    and if the peaceful way didnt work and they contunued to murder thousands? what then?

    What if it did?

    What if the violent way doesn't work? Even if it works at what cost? The deaths of not only the enemy, but also the death of hundreds if not thousands of innocent people. This has happened many times and rarely are the murderers convicted. In fact, they're decorated. People justify their actions, and they go unpunished. These people committed the same crimes as the enemy, and not just against the enemy. It's despicable.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rats of Multa wrote:
    i dont see art as beyond logic, reasoning, or words, since these faculties are the basis of human language/communication--art is intertwined with these functions as art requires these functions for its understanding.

    the power of art is such that any individual or group of individuals [i.e. societies or cultures] might be able to express and likewise congregate regarding any given topic(s) or idea(s).

    this place is a prime example, since for the most part each of us has some relationship with the art of PJ. the extended power of art is that it can out-live generations and centuries, and thereby create immeasurable influences on eras unknown in the future.

    the main reason i made my comment though is the discrepancy of needing power to fight power, and similarly of needing violence to resist violence--art is an active-pacifistic method of combating tyranny in whatever form(s).

    "Those people who recognize that imagination is reality's master, we call "sages", and those who act upon it, we call "artists." ~ Tom Robbins

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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Collin wrote:
    What if it did?


    then awesome, problem solved!


    i think you misunderstood the whole argument bro.. no one advocates the military intervention first? of course you try peaceful efforts and hope they work... i think the obvious point here was after peaceful and diplomatic efforts fail then you must intervene
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    then awesome, problem solved!


    i think you misunderstood the whole argument bro.. no one advocates the military intervention first? of course you try peaceful efforts and hope they work... i think the obvious point here was after peaceful and diplomatic efforts fail then you must intervene


    hey, my2hands :)

    How's it going today?
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    my2hands wrote:
    i think you misunderstood the whole argument bro.. no one advocates the military intervention first? of course you try peaceful efforts and hope they work... i think the obvious point here was after peaceful and diplomatic efforts fail then you must intervene

    I understand the whole argument. My problem is with the military intervention part. I've stated that I agree that military intervention is an option if all else fails, however, when military intervention includes violence towards innocent people it's not an option for me. And I believe that currently the military, whether it be NATO, UN or US, is not able to do anything without causing harm to civilians.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    one of my biggest issues with this thread was the fact that the title suggests that non-violence=non-action.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    one of my biggest issues with this thread was the fact that the title suggests that non-violence=non-action.

    Indeed.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    _FiveAgainstOne_ wrote:
    one of my biggest issues with this thread was the fact that the title suggests that non-violence=non-action.
    Exactly.

    Most people I know who advocate creating peace and problem-resolution are constantly committed and doing so in all manner of ways.

    It's those who don't know how to create peace and who think resolution is passive, rather than understand how powerful and proactive it is, who are actually "doing nothing" most of the time. They then advocate violent assault/killing when situations appear to be between a rock and a hard place. In my experience, when one is in their darkest hour, and the solutions seem to not be there, that is when the most intense evolution is happening, and when one is given the opportunity to be open to resolve things on a much deeper level.

    Or we can just kill people.
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