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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    PJammin' wrote:
    the spirit(through God, of course)of a human being which gives their mortal body life.

    that's not the definition as I see it Pjammin.

    hope you weren't speaking for all of us. :)
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why do men go against his law?

    Ephesians 6:11,12
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Jeanie wrote:
    that's not the definition as I see it Pjammin.

    hope you weren't speaking for all of us. :)

    no, i wasn't speaking for all of you. :)
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Define soul.

    soul
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    ForestBrain wrote:
    What did I start?

    yeah, where are YOU in this discussion. you start a thread and run.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    hippiemom wrote:
    I think it would be very helpful in these discussions if everyone would define what they mean when they use the word "god." Every single one of these threads that we've had, people are talking right past one another because they all define god differently. If I'm talking about Yahweh and you're talking about a pantheon of pagan gods and someone else is talking about a force of nature, the conversation is never going to make any sense at all. People here are arguing about the rules in the bible with people who say their spirituality has little or nothing to do with the bible. What is the point in that? By the same token, if you're going to talk about something other than the god of Abraham, then it's up to you so clearly state what you mean, because the biblical god is what people in the west commonly think of when they hear the word.

    I believe there's much more to the universe(s) than the dimensions we can perceive measured in linear time, but I hesitate to use the word "god" for just this reason ... it leads to confusion.

    well, i'll make it TOTALLY CLEAR on my end. i'm talking about God The Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. so whenever i'm talking, that's who i'm referring to.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    PJammin' wrote:
    no, i wasn't speaking for all of you. :)

    cool. :)

    I think it's great that you see things as you do though. :)
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Why do you believe that "there's much more to the universe"?

    well, lets see. if people see a building, they recognize that the building had to be built by someone. it doesn't just exist on its own. if people see a painting, they recognize that the painting had to be painted by someone. it doesn't just exist on it's own. well, we all see the earth, the planets...the whole universe...the creation...which in turn has a creator. it doesn't just exist on its own.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    cutback wrote:
    soul

    ok, help me out here cutback. James Brown? Yes?

    Would you believe the broadband modem has arrived but I just haven't hooked it up yet?

    brief description in the mean time please? :)
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Jeanie wrote:
    ok, help me out here cutback. James Brown? Yes?

    Would you believe the broadband modem has arrived but I just haven't hooked it up yet?

    brief description in the mean time please? :)

    damn it jeanie plug the fucker in! :) yes it was the late godfather of soul.........:)
  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    PJammin' wrote:
    well, lets see. if people see a building, they recognize that the building had to be built by someone. it doesn't just exist on its own. if people see a painting, they recognize that the painting had to be painted by someone. it doesn't just exist on it's own. well, we all see the earth, the planets...the whole universe...the creation...which in turn has a creator. it just doesn't exist on its own.

    Buildings and paintings are manmade things. We all know this, so we automatically assume that anything manmade had a human creator, but we don't have to apply the same principle to nature.

    If you find a smooth pebble on a beach do you assume that it must be smooth because it was polished by human hands? Or do you assume that it has been worn by the action of the waves and the sand?

    Why does nature automatically need an intelligent mind to direct it? Why can't it just be what it is?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    cutback wrote:
    damn it jeanie plug the fucker in! :) yes it was the late godfather of soul.........:)


    :D Well I would, but I'm frightened!!! :eek: :D

    I'm still a technology moron here you know!!! :o;)

    I have the ability to completely mess things up sometimes, and today would be one of those days me thinks. :confused:
    It's been a big day today already, perhaps tomorrow. :)

    But I'll be all broadbanded up before you know it!!! :D

    And then you'll be pointing me to your man right? :)

    I feel good! I knew that I would now!! Actually, I feel crap. Yeah, tomorrow. :)
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    hippiemom wrote:
    I don't think we're all THAT smart, and our senses are very limited.

    have mr. ahnimus explain how certain turtles have the knowledge to swim for over a 1000 miles, also KNOWING the specific direction to swim to get to the sea's shore to give birth every year?

    it's been studied and scientists don't have the answer. so if mr. ahnimus gives some of his mumbo jumbo he's only talking nonsense. say what you will, mr ahnimus, you may have some knowledge, but you DON'T have the knowledge of God and you NEVER will.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You discriminate against homosexuality because of speculation, it's fucking ridiculous, you are a hater.

    a hater? are you speaking for HIM now too?
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Jeanie wrote:
    cool. :)

    I think it's great that you see things as you do though. :)

    thank you. i appreciate your kind words. :)
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Scubascott wrote:
    Buildings and paintings are manmade things. We all know this, so we automatically assume that anything manmade had a human creator, but we don't have to apply the same principle to nature.

    If you find a smooth pebble on a beach do you assume that it must be smooth because it was polished by human hands? Or do you assume that it has been worn by the action of the waves and the sand?

    Why does nature automatically need an intelligent mind to direct it? Why can't it just be what it is?

    buildings and paintings are man-made things and aren't even as complex as the universe. think of the universe and all of its wonders and there was something MORE powerful that created these wonders. so if nature doesn't need an intelligent mind to create or direct it, what exactly does? please explain then.
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • Scubascott
    Scubascott Posts: 815
    PJammin' wrote:
    buildings and paintings are man-made things and aren't even as complex as the universe. think of the universe and all of its wonders and there was something MORE powerful that created these wonders. so if nature doesn't need an intelligent mind to create or direct it, what exactly does? please explain then.

    I can't get any intellectual saticfaction at all from the notion that the universe has a creator. It makes no sense to me. If there is a creator, where did he/she/it come from? Who created the creator? If anything complex must have a creator, then surely the creator of those complex things must be equally or more complex, and therefore require a creator of its own.

    I much prefer to let the universe remain mysterious, while attempting to learn as much about it as I can, rather than try to explain it all away with an imaginary creator.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

    -C Addison
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    PJammin' wrote:
    well, lets see. if people see a building, they recognize that the building had to be built by someone. it doesn't just exist on its own. if people see a painting, they recognize that the painting had to be painted by someone. it doesn't just exist on it's own. well, we all see the earth, the planets...the whole universe...the creation...which in turn has a creator. it doesn't just exist on its own.

    Then how does the creator exist?

    Turtle Problem

    A well-known scientist (some say it was the philosopher Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.

    At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."

    The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?"

    "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"

    It is possible that the lady's comment came after Russell's 1927 lecture Why I Am Not a Christian where, in discounting the "First Cause" argument intended to be a proof of God's existence, he comments:

    If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject."
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    PJammin' wrote:
    the dude whose teachings they are is the same dude who made your mouth for YOU to mock Him.

    When did I mock god? But I see you didn't answer the question.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    onelongsong wrote:
    but it's true. 12% is nothing. not even worth consideration.

    I guess it's true when your mind is closed.
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