Well, I think you're delusional. I don't think being gay is okay, but I don't treat gay people any differently than I treat anybody else. To me, all sin is the same, and I would be wrong to treat somebody who lies differently than a gay person. So whatever you're trying to prove is pointless on me.
Exactly, you equate liar with homosexual. You are adding a negative percept to the status of an individual's sexual drive. If you said "I don't think of black people any different than liars" you'd have a huge problem on your hands, wouldn't you?
You shouldn't think of homosexuals and liars as being equal, and news-flash pretty much everyone lies to some degree, just try breaking out of it, I have and it's gotten me in a lot of trouble. Most people don't want honesty, they want to be lied to. They can't handle the truth.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Being a homosexual isn't something somebody is born with. It's not a sin to be black. It is a sin to be a homosexual.
It is something people are born with. If you'd take your face out of the 4,000 year old bible and put it in a 1 or 2 year old biology textbook you'd know that.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i like sheep. sheep are cute. it's ok, i'm not offended.
you should be offended, cause sheep are stupid and when someone equates you to a sheep that's basically what they're saying. that you have no common sense and no ability to think for yourself. that you mindlessly follow without question. it was not a compliment.
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But what if a person doesn't believe somebody is born gay? What if I believe it's a choice? And what if some people are so convinced by what they have seen or gone through, that they have no choice?
I don't believe being gay is something somebody is born with. That right there itself is an idea, not a truth. Nobody can prove being gay is something you're born with, it's just something some people believe. That there is a God cannot be proved, it's a matter of faith.
I myself am a Christian, and I believe people who mock God are devil possessed, as are gays. But that's going to make a lot of people mad at me, I don't care, but it's a statement I am making. Would I get on tv and mock them? No.
I get offended when people mock God, but nobody cares. But if somebody mocks a gay, everybody gets ticked off. Makes no sense and it's typical of the times.
who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?
Being a homosexual isn't something somebody is born with. It's not a sin to be black. It is a sin to be a homosexual.
it should be a sin to be ignorant of biological fact. then, maybe i could think of you as "no different from a person who lies." get off your high horse.
who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?
Because God said so. Many religious people don't read new information like J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillards research into sex drive. They just figure that the old bible will answer all their questions. And in this case modern science and testimony contradicts God's word, so they have to be wrong, because God is infallable. That's my only issue with religion.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?
I'd think it would be obvious. I know that I was born straight, I know I never "decided" to like guys, and I'm not aroused by women. I assume it was the same for you. I know that I could not "choose" to be gay, so I assume that gay people couldn't "choose" to be straight. It doesn't make any sense. I never understood ForestBrain's kind of thinking at all.
Anyway, I'm glad you got away from all that crap and are a happier person
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
No, I'm not saying that some jews didn't wander around for 40 years and then this happened at Yam Suph. I'm saying there are undeniable differences between the hebrew texts and the king james bible, which means either God's word is wrong or the King James bible is wrong. Either way, it's hardly perfection and that is what I'm arguing. And there is no huge body of water at Yam Suph
God is a perfect being, so His word cannot be wrong. you're nitpicking, mr. ahnimus. whether you or any archaelogist believes it's the reed sea, or the red sea, it doesn't matter. the main focus is that God parted the sea and made it dry land, with a wall to the right and left. archaelogists can't even determine the actual route of the exodus, they aren't even sure the exact location of mount sinai. this happened thousands of years ago and the landscape of the earth has changed so much since then. what WAS thousands of years ago isn't always what remains today. if God doesn't want to leave a trace of something He won't. He completely destroyed sodom and gomorrah from the face of the earth for their wickedness. everyone always wants proof. well, you know what, God won't always give proof. if there was a proof for everything, faith wouldn't be needed, and without faith it is impossible to please God. He wants people to seek Him. face it, mr. ahnimus, our knowledge isn't even close to perfection. you don't even know or understand how to keep something like the sun burning for thousands of years. command a ball to hover in the air like the moon, mr. ahnimus. you can't do it.
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."-Isaiah 55:8,9
say what you will, but it's perfection to me.
You can quote scripture all day, but most of us are quite familiar with the bible. I was raised a christian and attended communion and confirmation, I was baptised and went to church every sunday. I know the religion quite well, but I went deeper and found a lot of inconsistencies and falsehoods.
you are familiar with the Bible, but there might be people reading these posts who are not familiar. i don't want to assume.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
you should be offended, cause sheep are stupid and when someone equates you to a sheep that's basically what they're saying. that you have no common sense and no ability to think for yourself. that you mindlessly follow without question. it was not a compliment.
i knew what he was saying, but i'm not offended if someone said i was a sheep. it has no affect on my self esteem. as you know, because you've read the Bible, Christ is the good shepherd. if i'm a sheep of Christ i don't consider it stupid at all. i know what type of man i am, so even if someone does compare me to a sheep it doesn't shake me.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?
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God is a perfect being, so His word cannot be wrong. you're nitpicking, mr. ahnimus. whether you or any archaelogist believes it's the reed sea, or the red sea, it doesn't matter. the main focus is that God parted the sea and made it dry land, with a wall to the right and left. archaelogists can't even determine the actual route of the exodus, they aren't even sure the exact location of mount sinai. this happened thousands of years ago and the landscape of the earth has changed so much since then. what WAS thousands of years ago isn't always what remains today. if God doesn't want to leave a trace of something He won't. He completely destroyed sodom and gomorrah from the face of the earth for their wickedness. everyone always wants proof. well, you know what, God won't always give proof. if there was a proof for everything, faith wouldn't be needed, and without faith it is impossible to please God. He wants people to seek Him. face it, mr. ahnimus, our knowledge isn't even close to perfection. you don't even know or understand how to keep something like the sun burning for thousands of years. command a ball to hover in the air like the moon, mr. ahnimus. you can't do it.
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."-Isaiah 55:8,9
say what you will, but it's perfection to me.
you are familiar with the Bible, but there might be people reading these posts who are not familiar. i don't want to assume.
you didn't really respond to what ahnimus said, i'm interested in what kind of answer you will give (although I have a distinct feeling it will involve the words "Bible", "God", "perfect")
I'm saying there are undeniable differences between the hebrew texts and the king james bible, which means either God's word is wrong or the King James bible is wrong. Either way, it's hardly perfection and that is what I'm arguing
The "perfect" word of God was written in Hebrew, thats how Mark, Luke, etc. wrote it because thats what they spoke? correct? I can also assume you are using the King James Bible...(do you read/speak Hebrew?) so there is a difference between the two... again, if the Hebrew was the perfect word, and the James version is translated differently, then the word you use (James version) isn't perfect like you claim it is. Then if you claim the James version IS Truth, then you are saying the Hebrew version is wrong... either way I see a dilemma for you... try to just focus on answering here Mr. PJammin'... no scriptures please, for those of us that can't fathom it... please humor me and "dumb it down" for me so I can grasp it...
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you didn't really respond to what ahnimus said, i'm interested in what kind of answer you will give (although I have a distinct feeling it will involve the words "Bible", "God", "perfect")
The "perfect" word of God was written in Hebrew, thats how Mark, Luke, etc. wrote it because thats what they spoke? correct? I can also assume you are using the King James Bible...(do you read/speak Hebrew?) so there is a difference between the two... again, if the Hebrew was the perfect word, and the James version is translated differently, then the word you use (James version) isn't perfect like you claim it is. Then if you claim the James version IS Truth, then you are saying the Hebrew version is wrong... either way I see a dilemma for you... try to just focus on answering here Mr. PJammin'... no scriptures please, for those of us that can't fathom it... please humor me and "dumb it down" for me so I can grasp it...
Actually, the biggest religious goof of all time occurerd here, as "maiden" became "virgin" in that translaation. Anyone who has seen teh movie "Snatch" will remember the fake rabbis discussing this on their way to teh diamond heist.
It's so sad !!!
I'm sure Mr PJamming knows that though.
So, maybe less than perfect, not to mentiopn large chunks were writtin by St Paul, who was a Jewish Pharisee who might, just might have put his own slant on things.
And then there was the longhand copying over the years, introducing another source of imperfection, but hey, I'm sure Godf was watching to make sure no-one ever made a mistake !!
People mock atheists all the time so religion is fair game. It all depends on context anyway. I'll be the 1st to sing certain songs about Ashley Cole and Chelsea and I'm bi.
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you are familiar with the Bible, but there might be people reading these posts who are not familiar. i don't want to assume.
You are completely missing the point. God is fallible, I just showed you that. It does matter if it was Yam Suph because there is not walls of water there. If the original scriptures were wrong there is no way King James would have known that, it's a transcription error. It was probably meant to glorify the story. Man this is just bedtime stories passed down through hundreds of generations. You can't tell one person something without it getting bent out of shape.
But hey, I'm here to speak the word of Gilgamesh.
Anu granted him the totality of knowledge of all.
He saw the Secret, discovered the Hidden,
he brought information of (the time) before the Flood.
He went on a distant journey, pushing himself to exhaustion,
but then was brought to peace.
He carved on a stone stela all of his toils,
and built the wall of Uruk-Haven,
the wall of the sacred Eanna Temple, the holy sanctuary.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you copied and pasted it. you were still making fun of it.
Yes. I believe respect is something you should earn, homosexuals haven't done anything worthy of disrespect, these people who claim that god hates fags have, imo.
i'm not of the belief that God hates the human being, i'm of the belief God hates the sinful nature. please don't lump me in with Christians who claim that God hates fags.
I'm not lumping you in with these guys, that's the whole point, yet you are still defending them only because they share your belief in god.
original poster had a point. you won't mock gays because they are people, but you WILL mock people who believe in God who set up a place to try and help gay people who are WILLING to change.
Oh yes, these wonderful people who are just trying to help other souls. You should really take another look at the kind of people you are defending here: http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Do you think I "mock" them because they believe in god? No, it's because they are filled with hate. They picket at funerals with signs that say "thank god for IEDs" "god hates America" and "thank god for dead soldiers".
This is from their website:
Why do you preach hate?
Because the Bible preaches hate.
You say I shouldn't lump you in with those guys, which I don't, but you're making it hard for me not to do so when you choose to defend them.
And if gay guys act in such a hateful way, I will mock them too. Though, I rarely mock people, I must say.
it was a joke, but you're making a mockery out of God. yet, where is your mockery of gays? you wouldn't want to mock gays because you want to be respectful, right? they are people. you wouldn't want to offend anyone on this board. who knows, you could be confronted with them in the future. but God's not a person, or either are the ones who believe in Him, so it's ok. i get ya. you're grasping for straws, my friend. speak the truth.
I see you still can't make the distinction between joking and mocking. I make jokes about all kind of people and laugh at jokes about all kinds of people.
no, according to you, you don't worship anything. you're your own God.
..........if God is all powerful why does he even care if we worship him or not?
I agree cate. If god is the supreme being, then he should be unconcerned with trivialities such as humans worshipping him or extracting repentence for sin. If god is the supreme being then he would understand all of this and love and support all of us regardless.
Actually, the biggest religious goof of all time occurerd here, as "maiden" became "virgin" in that translaation.
an attempt to address that "goof" It's a very dry read but if you want an educated discussion of the goof, rather than Snath's cliff notes version, here ya go (the link provides MUCH more information than copied here)http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/m.sion/virgoryw.htm
Much of the controversy surrounding Isaiah 7:14 revolves around the meaning of almah: specifically as to her virginity and marital status. The derivation of the noun almah is not known. It is suggested that it originates from either the Hebrew verb 'lm ("to conceal or hide") or from the Aramaic 'lm ("to be strong"). In sexual connotations, the former verb suggests "virgin" because literally and physically, as a woman she had not been uncovered - she had not known man. The latter verb leads to the meaning of sexual maturity and youthful vigor.
In addition to Isaiah 7:14, almah was used eight other times in the Old Testament. In 1 Chronicles 15:20 and Psalm 46:1 (BHS)...
...After his detailed examination of almah in the Old Testament, Niessen concludes:
"There is no etymological evidence to support the frequently aired claim that almah can refer to a young married woman or an unmarried woman who has had intercourse. The [Hebrew] root 'lm suggests quite the opposite view and supports the traditional understanding of "young virgin" as a suitable rendering of the term."
While the terms lmt and almah consistently referred to unmarried women and sometimes - as in the case of Rebekah - to women who were on the verge of marriage, the moral character of the biblical almah needs to be addressed. Does parthenos adequately translate almah or is it merely an interpretational preference rather than a linguistic necessity? .... Although almah was not a technical term for virginity, "the presumption in common law was and is, that every `alma is virgin and virtuous, until she is proven not to be, we have a right to assume that Rebecca and the `alma of Is. vii 14 and all other `almas were virgin, until and unless it shall be proven that they were not."
Gray, who demurs that almah naturally incorporates the notion of virginity, expresses an often stated criticism: "Where stress needed to be laid on a woman's virginity even more unambiguous phraseology was employed." Other words and expressions were available for Isaiah's use but none would have succinctly conveyed the same meaning as almah. Yldh was used to refer to a very young girl of unmarriageable age. N'rh was the generic word for a female and referred to young girls, unmarried women, concubines and evil women - its range of meaning was too broad and indefinite. Btlh was the usual and technical term for virgin. The words n'rh and btlh were used to qualify one another four times in the Old Testament. The former word referred to a young woman whose chastity was unknown, the latter to a virgin whose age was unknown. Niessen observes:
When the two terms are used together, the meaning is the girl is a "young virgin." However, though these two words are used as qualifiers for each other, neither word is ever used to qualify almah. Rather, the word almah incorporates the common element of the other two terms, which are youth and virginity.
This survey, which establishes the intended meaning of almah as a young, unmarried virgin of marriageable age, avers with Young: "one is tempted to wish that those who repeat the old assertion that [almah] may be used of a woman, whether married or not [and whether virgin or not], would produce some evidence for their statement."
Since then no Jew can ever give evidence that the Hebrew word almah can apply to married women, we necessarily conclude that it refers to an unmarried woman. When we translate the word almah as unmarried young woman, then would the text in Isaiah 7:14 become:
Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give to you a sign: Behold, the unmarried young woman is pregnant and she is about to bear a son and she shall call his name `Immanuel.'
But since this translation required three words, the Hebrew original has only one word, and an unmarried young woman is expected to be a virgin, a better translation is:
Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give to you a sign: Behold, the virgin is pregnant and she is about to bear a son and she shall call his name `Immanue"
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Even the lawn in your back yard will be full of millions of organisms locked in deadly conflict with each other. It is wonderful to behold, certainly, but I see no reason whatsoever to assume its complexity is evidence of a creator. There is certainly little perfection or harmony to found if you actually look closely.
Yet in almost every case, including your back yard lawn example, remove from the mix just ONE of the millions of organisms you describe, and the whole system breaks down and becomes chaotic. The lawn goes to shit. The balance is thrown off. Every piece, even the samllest is necessary to maintain balance.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
You are attributing consciousness to some level of decision making which is not and has been proven by Ben Libet in 1985.
I think the problem here is that I am discussing stuff you aren't knoweldgable about, so when I say Ben Libet it means nothing to you, but to anyone that studies consicousness it says a lot.
You are going with intuition, intuitively we all feel as if we have free-will, that's the nature of the illusion. You can't expect to see the illusion as an illusion if you look through the illusion as a lense.
now, ive never read anything by or about Ben Libet until you told me i should, alluding there that his theories and work would disprove my stance on consciousness and free-will,.. but i found last night something he has said which echos what i have been saying exactly--that consciousness is grounds to think that life can (and does) behave with functions that extend beyond any determinists' theories about cause-and-effect as ultimate-evidence for a divine-order that controls existence.
"My conclusion about free will, one genuinely free in the non-determined sense, is that its existence is at least as good, if not a better, scientific option than is its denial by determinist theory. Given the speculative nature of both determinist and non-determinist theories, why not adopt the view that we do have free will (until some real contradictory evidence may appear, if it ever does). Such a view would at least allow us to proceed in a way that accepts and accommodates our own deep feeling that we do have free will. We would not need to view ourselves as machines that act in a manner completely controlled by the known physical laws."--Ben Libet.
now, ive never read anything by or about Ben Libet until you told me i should, alluding there that his theories and work would disprove my stance on consciousness and free-will,.. but i found last night something he has said which echos what i have been saying exactly--that consciousness is grounds to think that life can (and does) behave with functions that extend beyond any determinists' theories about cause-and-effect as ultimate-evidence for a divine-order that controls existence.
"My conclusion about free will, one genuinely free in the non-determined sense, is that its existence is at least as good, if not a better, scientific option than is its denial by determinist theory. Given the speculative nature of both determinist and non-determinist theories, why not adopt the view that we do have free will (until some real contradictory evidence may appear, if it ever does). Such a view would at least allow us to proceed in a way that accepts and accommodates our own deep feeling that we do have free will. We would not need to view ourselves as machines that act in a manner completely controlled by the known physical laws."--Ben Libet.
Yup Ben ignored his own findings. But I was talking about Ben's findings, not his philosophical viewpoint.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
you didn't really respond to what ahnimus said, i'm interested in what kind of answer you will give (although I have a distinct feeling it will involve the words "Bible", "God", "perfect")
The "perfect" word of God was written in Hebrew, thats how Mark, Luke, etc. wrote it because thats what they spoke? correct? I can also assume you are using the King James Bible...(do you read/speak Hebrew?) so there is a difference between the two... again, if the Hebrew was the perfect word, and the James version is translated differently, then the word you use (James version) isn't perfect like you claim it is. Then if you claim the James version IS Truth, then you are saying the Hebrew version is wrong... either way I see a dilemma for you... try to just focus on answering here Mr. PJammin'... no scriptures please, for those of us that can't fathom it... please humor me and "dumb it down" for me so I can grasp it...
answer me this question, mr. scw156, and then i'll get to yours. do YOU believe that Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of men and then on the third day rose from the dead?
also, i've laid out my beliefs for everyone to read and i'm proud to do so, but yet most people in this thread don't expand upon what they believe or why they believe the way they do. not all people, mr. ahnimus says a lot in his posts, but others they're just concerned with saying that God doesn't exist, or make little comments here and there. why is that?
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
Yes. I believe respect is something you should earn, homosexuals haven't done anything worthy of disrespect, these people who claim that god hates fags have, imo.
so YOU, who wants to live in peace with people, should disrespect them anyway. i see. nice way of looking at it, Collin.
I'm not lumping you in with these guys, that's the whole point, yet you are still defending them only because they share your belief in god.
thank U, because i don't believe in hating people. i'm defending MY God, not the people who hate. if they hate, they're going against the teachings of Christ.
Oh yes, these wonderful people who are just trying to help other souls. You should really take another look at the kind of people you are defending here: http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Do you think I "mock" them because they believe in god? No, it's because they are filled with hate. They picket at funerals with signs that say "thank god for IEDs" "god hates America" and "thank god for dead soldiers".
This is from their website:
Why do you preach hate?
Because the Bible preaches hate.
once again, i'm not defending the people. i'm defending God's Word. i didn't even go to their website. i just read what you posted. so, i'm sorry i didn't have this information.
You say I shouldn't lump you in with those guys, which I don't, but you're making it hard for me not to do so when you choose to defend them.
see above. if they are going against God's Word, they are going against God even if they claim to be a Christian.
And if gay guys act in such a hateful way, I will mock them too. Though, I rarely mock people, I must say.
then mock away, if that's your disposition. if you feel comfortable with it, have at it.
I see you still can't make the distinction between joking and mocking. I make jokes about all kind of people and laugh at jokes about all kinds of people.
oh, i knew exactly what you were doing. you were still making a mockery out of God. it's ok.
Matthew 7:1-5
thank you for quoting God's Word. i see you looked into it.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
answer me this question, mr. scw156, and then i'll get to yours. do YOU believe that Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of men and then on the third day rose from the dead?
also, i've laid out my beliefs for everyone to read and i'm proud to do so, but yet most people in this thread don't expand upon what they believe or why they believe the way they do. not all people, mr. ahnimus says a lot in his posts, but others they're just concerned with saying that God doesn't exist, or make little comments here and there. why is that?
I imagine that a lot people are not 100% sure what they believe. Others are probably not keen about posting their beliefs only to be ridiculed.
I have much respect for your beliefs and you seem to be very clear on your position. How do you reconcile aspects in the bible that do not correlate with what has been proven through science? for example, how do you reconcile something like creationism with what has been proven via evolution (not saying evolution provides all the answers, it doesn't). I think this might be what others see as the problem with your position on homosexuality. Also, I imagine there are folks that would answer Yes to your question posed to scw156, but would not cal 'gay' folks 'sinners'.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
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Exactly, you equate liar with homosexual. You are adding a negative percept to the status of an individual's sexual drive. If you said "I don't think of black people any different than liars" you'd have a huge problem on your hands, wouldn't you?
You shouldn't think of homosexuals and liars as being equal, and news-flash pretty much everyone lies to some degree, just try breaking out of it, I have and it's gotten me in a lot of trouble. Most people don't want honesty, they want to be lied to. They can't handle the truth.
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Maybe you should throw the first stone then ......
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
It is something people are born with. If you'd take your face out of the 4,000 year old bible and put it in a 1 or 2 year old biology textbook you'd know that.
you should be offended, cause sheep are stupid and when someone equates you to a sheep that's basically what they're saying. that you have no common sense and no ability to think for yourself. that you mindlessly follow without question. it was not a compliment.
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i just need to say
who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?
it should be a sin to be ignorant of biological fact. then, maybe i could think of you as "no different from a person who lies." get off your high horse.
Because God said so. Many religious people don't read new information like J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillards research into sex drive. They just figure that the old bible will answer all their questions. And in this case modern science and testimony contradicts God's word, so they have to be wrong, because God is infallable. That's my only issue with religion.
Anyway, I'm glad you got away from all that crap and are a happier person
God is a perfect being, so His word cannot be wrong. you're nitpicking, mr. ahnimus. whether you or any archaelogist believes it's the reed sea, or the red sea, it doesn't matter. the main focus is that God parted the sea and made it dry land, with a wall to the right and left. archaelogists can't even determine the actual route of the exodus, they aren't even sure the exact location of mount sinai. this happened thousands of years ago and the landscape of the earth has changed so much since then. what WAS thousands of years ago isn't always what remains today. if God doesn't want to leave a trace of something He won't. He completely destroyed sodom and gomorrah from the face of the earth for their wickedness. everyone always wants proof. well, you know what, God won't always give proof. if there was a proof for everything, faith wouldn't be needed, and without faith it is impossible to please God. He wants people to seek Him. face it, mr. ahnimus, our knowledge isn't even close to perfection. you don't even know or understand how to keep something like the sun burning for thousands of years. command a ball to hover in the air like the moon, mr. ahnimus. you can't do it.
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."-Isaiah 55:8,9
say what you will, but it's perfection to me.
you are familiar with the Bible, but there might be people reading these posts who are not familiar. i don't want to assume.
i knew what he was saying, but i'm not offended if someone said i was a sheep. it has no affect on my self esteem. as you know, because you've read the Bible, Christ is the good shepherd. if i'm a sheep of Christ i don't consider it stupid at all. i know what type of man i am, so even if someone does compare me to a sheep it doesn't shake me.
God is infallible, the human being is fallible. it's simple really.
*applause*
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you didn't really respond to what ahnimus said, i'm interested in what kind of answer you will give (although I have a distinct feeling it will involve the words "Bible", "God", "perfect")
The "perfect" word of God was written in Hebrew, thats how Mark, Luke, etc. wrote it because thats what they spoke? correct? I can also assume you are using the King James Bible...(do you read/speak Hebrew?) so there is a difference between the two... again, if the Hebrew was the perfect word, and the James version is translated differently, then the word you use (James version) isn't perfect like you claim it is. Then if you claim the James version IS Truth, then you are saying the Hebrew version is wrong... either way I see a dilemma for you... try to just focus on answering here Mr. PJammin'... no scriptures please, for those of us that can't fathom it... please humor me and "dumb it down" for me so I can grasp it...
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Actually, the biggest religious goof of all time occurerd here, as "maiden" became "virgin" in that translaation. Anyone who has seen teh movie "Snatch" will remember the fake rabbis discussing this on their way to teh diamond heist.
It's so sad !!!
I'm sure Mr PJamming knows that though.
So, maybe less than perfect, not to mentiopn large chunks were writtin by St Paul, who was a Jewish Pharisee who might, just might have put his own slant on things.
And then there was the longhand copying over the years, introducing another source of imperfection, but hey, I'm sure Godf was watching to make sure no-one ever made a mistake !!
You are completely missing the point. God is fallible, I just showed you that. It does matter if it was Yam Suph because there is not walls of water there. If the original scriptures were wrong there is no way King James would have known that, it's a transcription error. It was probably meant to glorify the story. Man this is just bedtime stories passed down through hundreds of generations. You can't tell one person something without it getting bent out of shape.
But hey, I'm here to speak the word of Gilgamesh.
Anu granted him the totality of knowledge of all.
He saw the Secret, discovered the Hidden,
he brought information of (the time) before the Flood.
He went on a distant journey, pushing himself to exhaustion,
but then was brought to peace.
He carved on a stone stela all of his toils,
and built the wall of Uruk-Haven,
the wall of the sacred Eanna Temple, the holy sanctuary.
Yes. I believe respect is something you should earn, homosexuals haven't done anything worthy of disrespect, these people who claim that god hates fags have, imo.
I'm not lumping you in with these guys, that's the whole point, yet you are still defending them only because they share your belief in god.
Oh yes, these wonderful people who are just trying to help other souls. You should really take another look at the kind of people you are defending here: http://www.godhatesfags.com/
Do you think I "mock" them because they believe in god? No, it's because they are filled with hate. They picket at funerals with signs that say "thank god for IEDs" "god hates America" and "thank god for dead soldiers".
This is from their website:
Why do you preach hate?
Because the Bible preaches hate.
You say I shouldn't lump you in with those guys, which I don't, but you're making it hard for me not to do so when you choose to defend them.
And if gay guys act in such a hateful way, I will mock them too. Though, I rarely mock people, I must say.
I see you still can't make the distinction between joking and mocking. I make jokes about all kind of people and laugh at jokes about all kinds of people.
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..........that God is pooh bear?
..........that God is gay?
if God is all powerful why does he even care if we worship him or not?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I agree cate. If god is the supreme being, then he should be unconcerned with trivialities such as humans worshipping him or extracting repentence for sin. If god is the supreme being then he would understand all of this and love and support all of us regardless.
actually i think i should have written why SHOULD he even care...?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Much of the controversy surrounding Isaiah 7:14 revolves around the meaning of almah: specifically as to her virginity and marital status. The derivation of the noun almah is not known. It is suggested that it originates from either the Hebrew verb 'lm ("to conceal or hide") or from the Aramaic 'lm ("to be strong"). In sexual connotations, the former verb suggests "virgin" because literally and physically, as a woman she had not been uncovered - she had not known man. The latter verb leads to the meaning of sexual maturity and youthful vigor.
In addition to Isaiah 7:14, almah was used eight other times in the Old Testament. In 1 Chronicles 15:20 and Psalm 46:1 (BHS)...
...After his detailed examination of almah in the Old Testament, Niessen concludes:
"There is no etymological evidence to support the frequently aired claim that almah can refer to a young married woman or an unmarried woman who has had intercourse. The [Hebrew] root 'lm suggests quite the opposite view and supports the traditional understanding of "young virgin" as a suitable rendering of the term."
While the terms lmt and almah consistently referred to unmarried women and sometimes - as in the case of Rebekah - to women who were on the verge of marriage, the moral character of the biblical almah needs to be addressed. Does parthenos adequately translate almah or is it merely an interpretational preference rather than a linguistic necessity? .... Although almah was not a technical term for virginity, "the presumption in common law was and is, that every `alma is virgin and virtuous, until she is proven not to be, we have a right to assume that Rebecca and the `alma of Is. vii 14 and all other `almas were virgin, until and unless it shall be proven that they were not."
Gray, who demurs that almah naturally incorporates the notion of virginity, expresses an often stated criticism: "Where stress needed to be laid on a woman's virginity even more unambiguous phraseology was employed." Other words and expressions were available for Isaiah's use but none would have succinctly conveyed the same meaning as almah. Yldh was used to refer to a very young girl of unmarriageable age. N'rh was the generic word for a female and referred to young girls, unmarried women, concubines and evil women - its range of meaning was too broad and indefinite. Btlh was the usual and technical term for virgin. The words n'rh and btlh were used to qualify one another four times in the Old Testament. The former word referred to a young woman whose chastity was unknown, the latter to a virgin whose age was unknown. Niessen observes:
When the two terms are used together, the meaning is the girl is a "young virgin." However, though these two words are used as qualifiers for each other, neither word is ever used to qualify almah. Rather, the word almah incorporates the common element of the other two terms, which are youth and virginity.
This survey, which establishes the intended meaning of almah as a young, unmarried virgin of marriageable age, avers with Young: "one is tempted to wish that those who repeat the old assertion that [almah] may be used of a woman, whether married or not [and whether virgin or not], would produce some evidence for their statement."
Since then no Jew can ever give evidence that the Hebrew word almah can apply to married women, we necessarily conclude that it refers to an unmarried woman. When we translate the word almah as unmarried young woman, then would the text in Isaiah 7:14 become:
Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give to you a sign: Behold, the unmarried young woman is pregnant and she is about to bear a son and she shall call his name `Immanuel.'
But since this translation required three words, the Hebrew original has only one word, and an unmarried young woman is expected to be a virgin, a better translation is:
Therefore, the Lord Himself shall give to you a sign: Behold, the virgin is pregnant and she is about to bear a son and she shall call his name `Immanue"
Yet in almost every case, including your back yard lawn example, remove from the mix just ONE of the millions of organisms you describe, and the whole system breaks down and becomes chaotic. The lawn goes to shit. The balance is thrown off. Every piece, even the samllest is necessary to maintain balance.
now, ive never read anything by or about Ben Libet until you told me i should, alluding there that his theories and work would disprove my stance on consciousness and free-will,.. but i found last night something he has said which echos what i have been saying exactly--that consciousness is grounds to think that life can (and does) behave with functions that extend beyond any determinists' theories about cause-and-effect as ultimate-evidence for a divine-order that controls existence.
"My conclusion about free will, one genuinely free in the non-determined sense, is that its existence is at least as good, if not a better, scientific option than is its denial by determinist theory. Given the speculative nature of both determinist and non-determinist theories, why not adopt the view that we do have free will (until some real contradictory evidence may appear, if it ever does). Such a view would at least allow us to proceed in a way that accepts and accommodates our own deep feeling that we do have free will. We would not need to view ourselves as machines that act in a manner completely controlled by the known physical laws."--Ben Libet.
~http://www.machineslikeus.com/People/Libet_Benjamin.html
...i hope everyone has a great weekend.:)
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
Yup Ben ignored his own findings. But I was talking about Ben's findings, not his philosophical viewpoint.
answer me this question, mr. scw156, and then i'll get to yours. do YOU believe that Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of men and then on the third day rose from the dead?
also, i've laid out my beliefs for everyone to read and i'm proud to do so, but yet most people in this thread don't expand upon what they believe or why they believe the way they do. not all people, mr. ahnimus says a lot in his posts, but others they're just concerned with saying that God doesn't exist, or make little comments here and there. why is that?
so YOU, who wants to live in peace with people, should disrespect them anyway. i see. nice way of looking at it, Collin.
thank U, because i don't believe in hating people. i'm defending MY God, not the people who hate. if they hate, they're going against the teachings of Christ.
once again, i'm not defending the people. i'm defending God's Word. i didn't even go to their website. i just read what you posted. so, i'm sorry i didn't have this information.
see above. if they are going against God's Word, they are going against God even if they claim to be a Christian.
then mock away, if that's your disposition. if you feel comfortable with it, have at it.
oh, i knew exactly what you were doing. you were still making a mockery out of God. it's ok.
thank you for quoting God's Word. i see you looked into it.
I imagine that a lot people are not 100% sure what they believe. Others are probably not keen about posting their beliefs only to be ridiculed.
I have much respect for your beliefs and you seem to be very clear on your position. How do you reconcile aspects in the bible that do not correlate with what has been proven through science? for example, how do you reconcile something like creationism with what has been proven via evolution (not saying evolution provides all the answers, it doesn't). I think this might be what others see as the problem with your position on homosexuality. Also, I imagine there are folks that would answer Yes to your question posed to scw156, but would not cal 'gay' folks 'sinners'.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein