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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    onelongsong wrote:
    oneness is an expression. i've had horses protect me and on one occasion a couple months ago; a buffalo protected me. i have a wild turkey that will come and sit by me and let me hold it. i guess it's a oneness with nature.
    as far as God; you must find God within yourself. that's the only place you will find him. and i use the word "him" for lack of a better adjective. God made us in his image; but not the human image you see here. it's the image that goes on when we shed these bodies.
    anyway; i don't have the time to get into a long drawn out explaination of how we got here with religion. it's basically because early man couldn't comprehend so they envisioned God as an old man sitting on a throne. they made it into something they could understand. the modern church does the same thing. which; i suppose; is the reason you denounce it.

    So this is more interesting. You have an approach to life which is quite similar to mine, in that you fit into teh natural world around you and find enrichment and fulfillment in that. I have had similar experiences, and they are some of my most teasured memories.
    You are right, when I say that I don't like anything about teh way religion, modern or otherwise makes God out to be some stern bloke in a roeb who will fry you in hell for breaking their rules etc etc etc.

    What i don't get is how you get from your oneness with nature, which I do easily underssand and appreciate, to a concept of a monotheistic god.
    I am contenet that teh world can exist,and that dolphins jumping out of a wave in front of me can put a grin you could lose a truck in on my face.
    No god needed to explain or justify that for me.

    BTW, did you see the pic of my colt sitting on a bean bag ???

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Interesting, I've never heard a polish joke before and probably wouldn't find it funny anyway. I know a polish guy that says there are a lot of polish jokes, but I'm thinking it's the pols that make up these jokes.

    Kind of like newfies, the mass of newfie jokes came out of newfoundland. They did it to themselves in a way. But I can't post a joke about black people on her, firstly it's not even that funny. It's only funny from the perspective that people are stereotypical.

    But none-the-less you do argue that homosexuality is immoral, which is discrimination in my opinion. But then again, religion claims a monopoly on morality, so that makes me immoral aswell.

    You might be Polish. :)
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Jeanie wrote:
    delusion, n. imposing or being imposed on; false impression or opinion, esp. as a symptom or form of madness.

    of grandeur, hallicinatory exaggeration of one's own personality or status.

    Main Entry: de·lu·sion
    Pronunciation: di-'lü-zh&n, dE-
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere
    1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
    2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs
    - de·lu·sion·al /-'lüzh-n&l, -'lü-zh&-n&l/ adjective
    - de·lu·sion·ary /-zh&-"ner-E/ adjective
    synonyms DELUSION, ILLUSION, HALLUCINATION, MIRAGE mean something that is believed to be true or real but that is actually false or unreal. DELUSION implies an inability to distinguish between what is real and what only seems to be real, often as the result of a disordered state of mind <delusions of persecution>. ILLUSION implies a false ascribing of reality based on what one sees or imagines <an illusion of safety>. HALLUCINATION implies impressions that are the product of disordered senses, as because of mental illness or drugs <suffered from terrifying hallucinations>. MIRAGE in its extended sense applies to an illusory vision, dream, hope, or aim <claimed a balanced budget is a mirage>.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanie wrote:
    delusion, n. imposing or being imposed on; false impression or opinion, esp. as a symptom or form of madness.

    of grandeur, hallicinatory exaggeration of one's own personality or status.

    spot on ;)
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    lol, the problem is, even if you do respect religious beliefs, your gonna get the zealots that don't budge, and then your debate is pointless. I'd rather we don't have a speculative debate and go with that which is objectively observable, such as there is a 50% concordance of sexual preference between monozygotic twins (Bailey & Pillard) that means a lot more to me than because some fucking Fairy said so. I'm not gonna debate what the fairy godmother says about Chinese politics, it really doesn't matter.

    so? so they don't budge? you dont have to convince all the zealots. only enough to get a majority vote ;)
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    are we sure there's no repressed homosexuality going on here? cause watching you two 'debate' is like watching some weird mating ritual. :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Don't you think it's interesting that we all seem to share more commanalities than we might first seem to think?

    It would be much better I think, if we could accept other peoples differences, but at the very least, I think we could all learn to at least be more tolerant of diversity of opinion.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    are we sure there's no repressed homosexuality going on here? cause watching you two 'debate' is like watching some weird mating ritual. :)

    haha nice one!

    I'm not operationally gay, but the thought of fucking a man has crossed my mind, it was quickly trashed though. And hey, I'm not afraid to say that. But, I'm also not homophobic.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    spot on ;)

    The definition of delusional is wrong, or at least incomplete.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The definition of delusional is wrong, or at least incomplete.

    the definition of its use in the idiom 'delusions of grandeur' is spot on.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    soulsinging wrote:
    spot on ;)

    who me?? :o surely not??? ;)
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    haha nice one!

    I'm not operationally gay, but the thought of fucking a man has crossed my mind, it was quickly trashed though. And hey, I'm not afraid to say that. But, I'm also not homophobic.

    i've had that thought myself ryan. :D
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    catefrances wrote:
    are we sure there's no repressed homosexuality going on here?

    Is there such a thing as intellectual homosexuality? :D
    NOPE!!!

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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    scw156 wrote:
    Secondly, you are "wishing" the worst on people. you just aren't coming right out and saying it. You say you want to get along with everyone... then instead of saying "You are going to Hell because God says so and I believe Gods word" you are saying "Gods book states you those who dont believe will go to hell" same thing, just reworded. It boils down to this: You want to get along, yet when someone without your same beliefs speaks about not believing you tell them they are going to Hell.. and Hell for YOU is the worst place ever...

    Thanks for the well wishes.

    for someone who doesn't believe in hell, you sure do get bent out of shape. i'm not wishing the worst on ANYONE. what does it matter to you since you don't believe in a word of the Bible? if you, mr. scw156, don't believe in God's Word, then what's it really matter? if you're so confident about your beliefs, then keep living the way you are. i personally believe in God's Word, and i'll take that over any human explaination or mr. ahnimus' scientific mumbo jumbo. mr. ahnimus' doesn't have the power or knowledge to keep the sun burning for thousands of years, but Mr. God The Father DOES.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Give it 15 years and you will be the minority, the numbers will reverse, atheism is growing as more and more people abandon the ancient school of thought.

    what does that matter? i could care less if i'm the minority with my belief in God. it's a personal relationship, not based on numbers.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Even on this forum, if we discuss abortion, homosexuality or anything, we invariably get a swarm of bible-thumpers proclaiming the word of God, fuck that. I'm through with that shit.

    obviously your not because you're still in this thread trying to "claim" that we're robots. :D
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Faith is a matter of ignorance. Knowing is a matter of knowledge.

    i would say faith in knowing there is a God is a matter of the ULTIMATE knowledge. :)
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You know what I think is megalomaniacal, is believing that humans are worlds away from animals. That we are somehow special, this entire universe was created for us and we have ultimate control over our own experiences, we live on after death while animals do not.

    animals are special to God, but WE are the ones made in His image. and who says that animals are not part of God's ultimate plan? where are your facts on that?
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    catefrances wrote:
    but then surely if one denies God, they must deny the soul, right?

    2 Timothy 2:12
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Define soul.

    the individual self, each person's unique "I". life experienced by the individual rather than an abstract concept. soul is the essential self, the distinctive identity of the person.

    the spirit(through God, of course)of a human being which gives their mortal body life.
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