well, He made the bees and likes honey, so maybe you're on to something.
yes, God is happy today.
if God is all powerful why does he even care if we worship him or not?
don't we care about our own children being close to us? i personally worship because i'm grateful for the gift of life and the other gifts He's given me. i also want to add, God doesn't really need us, but we need Him. He can destroy the whole human race in a moment, but He's longsuffering.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
answer me this question, mr. scw156, and then i'll get to yours. do YOU believe that Jesus Christ was crucified for the sins of men and then on the third day rose from the dead?
also, i've laid out my beliefs for everyone to read and i'm proud to do so, but yet most people in this thread don't expand upon what they believe or why they believe the way they do. not all people, mr. ahnimus says a lot in his posts, but others they're just concerned with saying that God doesn't exist, or make little comments here and there. why is that?
what's your denomination? i asked that before and you didn't answer. also, id like to see your response to deadmosquitio's post... a gay man who said he fought with all his being not to be gay so as to not have to live with the abuse hurled at him by people like you. so how can you read his post and tell me being gay is a choice?
as to my beliefs, i recently took a quiz that said im unitarian universalist. i have no idea what that means. me, i believe in god. the god i believe in is more like gaia than god though... mother earth. it's the force underlying the entire universe and bringing order to chaos. it's the force behind the laws of science. and it is way beyond human affairs. it doesn't give a shit what humans do with their little lives becos to god, humans are just one very tiny piece of a vast universal puzzle. i don't worship my god, but i pray/meditate to it. it doesn't speak to me in burning bushes or ancient books, it speaks to me through the people in my life. it doesn't teach me homos are wrong, you can't eat pigs unless killed a certain way, raping a virgin means you have to marry her, you can't eat meat on fridays in lent, or any other trivial and ridiculous human song and dance to prove you're more holy than your neighbor. my god teaches me that i am at my happiest and best when i am living in harmony with those around me. when i am striving to be of service to them and accept them for who and what they are. not when i am trying to scold and control them by holding some eternal reward/punishment carrot over their head.
so no, i dont believe jesus died for anyone's sins or was any sort of god or rose from the dead. i believe he was a spirirtual guru, a humanitarian, and a political and religious revolutionary who was put to death for challenging the status quo.
what's your denomination? i asked that before and you didn't answer. also, id like to see your response to deadmosquitio's post... a gay man who said he fought with all his being not to be gay so as to not have to live with the abuse hurled at him by people like you. so how can you read his post and tell me being gay is a choice?
as to my beliefs, i recently took a quiz that said im unitarian universalist. i have no idea what that means. me, i believe in god. the god i believe in is more like gaia than god though... mother earth. it's the force underlying the entire universe and bringing order to chaos. it's the force behind the laws of science. and it is way beyond human affairs. it doesn't give a shit what humans do with their little lives becos to god, humans are just one very tiny piece of a vast universal puzzle. i don't worship my god, but i pray/meditate to it. it doesn't speak to me in burning bushes or ancient books, it speaks to me through the people in my life. it doesn't teach me homos are wrong, you can't eat pigs unless killed a certain way, raping a virgin means you have to marry her, you can't eat meat on fridays in lent, or any other trivial and ridiculous human song and dance to prove you're more holy than your neighbor. my god teaches me that i am at my happiest and best when i am living in harmony with those around me. when i am striving to be of service to them and accept them for who and what they are. not when i am trying to scold and control them by holding some eternal reward/punishment carrot over their head.
so no, i dont believe jesus died for anyone's sins or was any sort of god or rose from the dead. i believe he was a spirirtual guru, a humanitarian, and a political and religious revolutionary who was put to death for challenging the status quo.
that answer your question? now answer mine.
Your beliefs are rather similar to mine at the current moment...
PJammin', I will answer your question but it will have to wait for later. Im about to walk out the door to go out to eat. Be back around 5:30/6:00 EST. However, I'd like an ACTUAL response to the statements I posed to you first... like i said, its a a dilemma for you but it cant be ignored. So when I get back AND have an answer from you, then I'll try to type out all what I "believe" and how its possibly changing. Everyone else here so far has also brought up good points.
until i return.
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I imagine that a lot people are not 100% sure what they believe. Others are probably not keen about posting their beliefs only to be ridiculed.
well, if a lot of people aren't 100% sure in what they believe that is fine. but if they're not 100% sure and they are ridiculing my beliefs(which i believe in 100%), i don't know about you, but it says A LOT to ME.
I have much respect for your beliefs and you seem to be very clear on your position.
thank you for at least giving me that respect. i appreciate you saying that.
How do you reconcile aspects in the bible that do not correlate with what has been proven through science? for example, how do you reconcile something like creationism with what has been proven via evolution (not saying evolution provides all the answers, it doesn't). I think this might be what others see as the problem with your position on homosexuality. Also, I imagine there are folks that would answer Yes to your question posed to scw156, but would not cal 'gay' folks 'sinners'.
give me a specific example of something being proven by evolution that goes against creationism. i'll do my best to answer your example.
let me answer the last sentence of your paragraph. i don't go around calling gay folks sinners, or adulterers sinners, etc. i simply believe in God's Word. He makes it clear that this is a sin. so i accept it. this doesn't take anything away from me living in unity with a gay person. Jesus was around adulterers and all types of people. they knew His stance on what He believed. He didn't go around hating on them though.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
Your beliefs are rather similar to mine at the current moment...
PJammin', I will answer your question but it will have to wait for later. Im about to walk out the door to go out to eat. Be back around 5:30/6:00 EST. However, I'd like an ACTUAL response to the statements I posed to you first... like i said, its a a dilemma for you but it cant be ignored. So when I get back AND have an answer from you, then I'll try to type out all what I "believe" and how its possibly changing. Everyone else here so far has also brought up good points.
until i return.
i'm sorry, i've answered ALL your posts before, but until you answer my question you'll not get your answer to your latest. enjoy your meal. peace!
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
give me a specific example of something being proven by evolution that goes against creationism. i'll do my best to answer your example.
There is no possible way that evolution lead to only 2 humans Adam and Eve. We didn't evolve from apes over-night, it was a long process and there were thousands and thousands if not millions of individuals of intermediate species before homo-sapien. It wouldn't be likely that there would just be two humans.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Much of the controversy surrounding Isaiah 7:14 revolves around the meaning of almah: specifically as to her virginity and marital status. The derivation of the noun almah is not known. It is suggested that it originates from either the Hebrew verb 'lm ("to conceal or hide") or from the Aramaic 'lm ("to be strong"). In sexual connotations, the former verb suggests "virgin" because literally and physically, as a woman she had not been uncovered - she had not known man. The latter verb leads to the meaning of sexual maturity and youthful vigor.
Thanks that clarifies things, biologically there is no way a virgin human can give birth to a boy. So it's another transcription error, when faced with doubt, they took the most radical translation they could.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
what's your denomination? i asked that before and you didn't answer. also, id like to see your response to deadmosquitio's post... a gay man who said he fought with all his being not to be gay so as to not have to live with the abuse hurled at him by people like you. so how can you read his post and tell me being gay is a choice?
i answered your question. i'm not put in a box. i follow Christ. what was Christ? was Christ a catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. i don't think so.
i'll get to deadmosquito's post if i feel like it. i have a lot going on the way it is. where are all the OTHER christians to answer your questions? where is ForestBrain who started this whole thread? i have more coming at me than the non-believers. i can only answer so much.
as to my beliefs, i recently took a quiz that said im unitarian universalist. i have no idea what that means.
you had to take a quiz to know what you are, and you don't even know what the word means? and you're attacking my beliefs and my 100% conviction in Christ. thanks.
me, i believe in god. the god i believe in is more like gaia than god though... mother earth. it's the force underlying the entire universe and bringing order to chaos. it's the force behind the laws of science. and it is way beyond human affairs. it doesn't give a shit what humans do with their little lives becos to god, humans are just one very tiny piece of a vast universal puzzle. i don't worship my god, but i pray/meditate to it. it doesn't speak to me in burning bushes or ancient books, it speaks to me through the people in my life.
so how do YOU explain the creation of the world, humans, plants, animals, etc., that got the ball rolling?
so humans don't really have any significance then? everything is on the same level. is that what you're saying? if i'm wrong, i'm sorry.
it doesn't teach me homos are wrong, you can't eat pigs unless killed a certain way, raping a virgin means you have to marry her, you can't eat meat on fridays in lent, or any other trivial and ridiculous human song and dance to prove you're more holy than your neighbor. my god teaches me that i am at my happiest and best when i am living in harmony with those around me. when i am striving to be of service to them and accept them for who and what they are. not when i am trying to scold and control them by holding some eternal reward/punishment carrot over their head.
you're uninformed about the pig statement, the rape, and the eating meat on fridays. the eating meat on fridays is a catholic man-made custom. Christ doesn't teach that you're holier than your neighbor. i don't know what Christian told you that. actually, living in harmony is also the teaching of Christ, as you know.
so no, i dont believe jesus died for anyone's sins or was any sort of god or rose from the dead. i believe he was a spirirtual guru, a humanitarian, and a political and religious revolutionary who was put to death for challenging the status quo.
thanks for answering the Jesus question. it was for scw, but i appreciate it anyway.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
i answered your question. i'm not put in a box. i follow Christ. what was Christ? was Christ a catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. i don't think so.
Jewish, Christ was middle-eastern Jewish.
so how do YOU explain the creation of the world, humans, plants, animals, etc., that got the ball rolling?
What is the point in trying to explain it? You can't with absolute certainty, there is absolutely no way of knowing what "Got the ball rolling" all we know is that energy doesn't die it just changes form. This implies to me that the ball always has been rolling.
so humans don't really have any significance then? everything is on the same level. is that what you're saying? if i'm wrong, i'm sorry.
To me, the entire universe could implode and it would make no difference.
Hey, I'm just talking. You know Gilgamesh wouldn't want me to force my beliefs either.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so YOU, who wants to live in peace with people, should disrespect them anyway. i see. nice way of looking at it, Collin.
I'm sorry I can't muster much respect for people who show such hate. That doesn't mean I hate them...
thank U, because i don't believe in hating people. i'm defending MY God, not the people who hate. if they hate, they're going against the teachings of Christ.
once again, i'm not defending the people. i'm defending God's Word. i didn't even go to their website. i just read what you posted. so, i'm sorry i didn't have this information.
see above. if they are going against God's Word, they are going against God even if they claim to be a Christian.
Cool. I'm glad you feel this way.
then mock away, if that's your disposition. if you feel comfortable with it, have at it.
I said I rarely mocked
oh, i knew exactly what you were doing. you were still making a mockery out of God. it's ok.
OK, I get it. Making a joke about Jesus or God or the Bible is mocking. I can't say I agree... but it's cool I won't make jokes about god anymore.
thank you for quoting God's Word. i see you looked into it.
I've read the Bible. Once completely and plenty of other times just fragments.
There is no possible way that evolution lead to only 2 humans Adam and Eve. We didn't evolve from apes over-night, it was a long process and there were thousands and thousands if not millions of individuals of intermediate species before homo-sapien. It wouldn't be likely that there would just be two humans.
once again, God is perfect. He created adam and eve and the whole human race branched out from them. a perfect being can do things you can't, mr. ahnimus. like i said in one of my other posts. make a ball hover in the air like the moon. take a piece of wood and make that piece of wood burn thousands of years without going out like God does with the sun. why don't YOU make something as complicated as the human brain? do it! if you can do these things, then maybe i'll listen more closely to your words. but saying humans evolved from apes and intermediate species doesn't fly with me.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
i answered your question. i'm not put in a box. i follow Christ. what was Christ? was Christ a catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. i don't think so.
i'll get to deadmosquito's post if i feel like it. i have a lot going on the way it is. where are all the OTHER christians to answer your questions? where is ForestBrain who started this whole thread? i have more coming at me than the non-believers. i can only answer so much.
i didnt see the answer anywhere, but thanks for repeating yourself for my sake anyway, dyou go to services? church groups? anything of the sort? if so, what does the name on the church say?
and i do hope you feel like. im truly curious to hear. cos i find that 99.9% of the people like you or the godhatesfags group or anyone who says being gay is a choice, do not know any gay people (or lie about their one good friend who is gay or their one coworker they "know" but have never said anything to beyond business talk). so im truly curious to see if you consider him a liar, or a faker, or what... i mean, from his mouth, he tried to fight it. so there's a contradiction here and id like to see your take on that.
you had to take a quiz to know what you are, and you don't even know what the word means? and you're attacking my beliefs and my 100% conviction in Christ. thanks.
i take every qui im offered out of idle curiosity. the answer came back some religion i'd never heard of. i dont truck with religion. i believe in spirituality, but not the hocus pocus magic that goes with religion. so it was just to see who my beliefs actually lined up with the best.
so how do YOU explain the creation of the world, humans, plants, animals, etc., that got the ball rolling?
so humans don't really have any significance then? everything is on the same level. is that what you're saying? if i'm wrong, i'm sorry.
i don't explain it per se. like i said, i call it god but think of it as simply a creative entity. it's not like a giant man standing in space building a universe, like the genesis account. the concept of god to me defies explanation. which is why i don't see how anyone can say "god clearly says being gay is wrong." god doesn't deign to explain herself to humans. there was creation, and i believe it continues today. but at no point did god take a special interest in humans, nor did the creation stop once we arrived.
that's sort of what i'm saying. humans have significance becos we value ourselves and want to live. our lives are not meaningless or anything. but on the whole, yes, everything is on the same level. humans do not have a right to live at the expense of the rest of creation, and all life is created equal, just different. we strive amongst each other for survival and the upper hand, but in the whole picture, balance is struck and the whole life thing keeps moving forward.
you're uninformed about the pig statement, the rape, and the eating meat on fridays. the eating meat on fridays is a catholic man-made custom. Christ doesn't teach that you're holier than your neighbor. i don't know what Christian told you that. actually, living in harmony is also the teaching of Christ, as you know.
i didn't say christ taught that, i'm well aware of what christ's teachings were. but all of those are in the old testament, dude.
anyway, that is what religion is about. hokey and archaic ceremonies of celebration (like my AA meetings ). the catholics are particularly bad about the hokiness, but they all do it to an extent. it's just a social function that brings like people together. race, religion, ethnicity, country, they're all just social tools to both celebrate shared values and to enforce them. i prefer to choose my social groups on different grounds. my spiritual beliefs are personal. my communal belonging is defined on other grounds.
thanks for answering the Jesus question. it was for scw, but i appreciate it anyway.
no problem. up above he said he basically agreed with what i said, so i think that's a rough answer to the question you posed him. but he'll answer at greater length in his own time im sure.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Our entire western culture goes against the word of God. This says "and lend, hoping for nothing again" in other words, do not charge interest on a loan, our entire monetary system is debt based and we pay interest on the very money we own. "love ye your enemies", it would seem that Bushy forgot that part of Luke "and do good"
Bush Quotes
"Bring them on."
"Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
Seems old Georgy boy isn't a real Christian, but who is. If you hate homosexuals and do not treat them as you would treat yourself than you are going against the word of God, right here in Luke6:35.
Virtually no one follows the exact word of God, just one verse and you can see the entire society we live in goes against the word of God.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
once again, God is perfect. He created adam and eve and the whole human race branched out from them. a perfect being can do things you can't, mr. ahnimus. like i said in one of my other posts. make a ball hover in the air like the moon. take a piece of wood and make that piece of wood burn thousands of years without going out like God does with the sun. why don't YOU make something as complicated as the human brain? do it! if you can do these things, then maybe i'll listen more closely to your words. but saying humans evolved from apes and intermediate species doesn't fly with me.
Actually if you look up American Anti-gravity you can see things hover. There is also a project that uses sound frequencies to hover small balls. There is a lot you don't know about. The sun or other stars aren't made from wood they are mostly hydrogen. Umm, shit I can't quite remember the scientists name, but he does actually grow brains. If I think of it I'll let you know.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It is something people are born with. If you'd take your face out of the 4,000 year old bible and put it in a 1 or 2 year old biology textbook you'd know that.
I'de rather believe something that has lasted 4,000 years than some textbook written by people that out are to prove there is no God.
When life gives you lemons, throw them at somebody.
that's the only reason i go to xmas mass anymore that and to please my mother. it's not like it's that bad... i've wasted many an hour in stupider ways before!
I'de rather believe something that has lasted 4,000 years than some textbook written by people that out are to prove there is no God.
from deadmosquito:
"who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?"
im curious what your answer to this is? is he lying? did he not try to choose hard enough?
I'de rather believe something that has lasted 4,000 years than some textbook written by people that out are to prove there is no God.
Scientists aren't out to prove there is no God. They are out to prove what is objectively provable.
Ok, well the epic of gilgamesh has lasted for 6,000 years, that's probably better then. Chinese philosophy dates back further than Christianity too.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i didnt see the answer anywhere, but thanks for repeating yourself for my sake anyway, dyou go to services? church groups? anything of the sort? if so, what does the name on the church say?
no problem. i have been to services, the last one was with someone dear to me and it was in late december. i can't speak for the name on the church because i don't remember. i don't know the denomination. it wasn't catholic, which a lot of people in my mom's side of the family is. i'm open to checking out a church if i feel good about it. i have been to church groups and Bible studies too. when my mom comes to visit me i'll attend catholic mass with her, but like i said, i don't agree with all of their customs. but going to church for me is a personal thing. i'm there for God.
and i do hope you feel like. im truly curious to hear. cos i find that 99.9% of the people like you or the godhatesfags group or anyone who says being gay is a choice, do not know any gay people (or lie about their one good friend who is gay or their one coworker they "know" but have never said anything to beyond business talk). so im truly curious to see if you consider him a liar, or a faker, or what... i mean, from his mouth, he tried to fight it. so there's a contradiction here and id like to see your take on that.
i have known and currently know gays. i attended school in new york city and i live in a city now which has a higher population of gays. not knowing any hasn't been an issue with me. as far as deadmosquito, it would be wrong of me to call him a liar or a faker. it really isn't my place to do so.
i take every qui im offered out of idle curiosity. the answer came back some religion i'd never heard of. i dont truck with religion. i believe in spirituality, but not the hocus pocus magic that goes with religion. so it was just to see who my beliefs actually lined up with the best.
i understand. cool. curiousity killed the cat. j/k
i don't explain it per se. like i said, i call it god but think of it as simply a creative entity. it's not like a giant man standing in space building a universe, like the genesis account. the concept of god to me defies explanation. which is why i don't see how anyone can say "god clearly says being gay is wrong." god doesn't deign to explain herself to humans. there was creation, and i believe it continues today. but at no point did god take a special interest in humans, nor did the creation stop once we arrived.
i understand what you're saying. as far as the God i'm talking about, no one has seen His form, except for Jesus Christ. i can't comment on God the Father as a giant man. i believe as human beings we want and need love, and God fills that void, because God IS love.
that's sort of what i'm saying. humans have significance becos we value ourselves and want to live. our lives are not meaningless or anything. but on the whole, yes, everything is on the same level. humans do not have a right to live at the expense of the rest of creation, and all life is created equal, just different. we strive amongst each other for survival and the upper hand, but in the whole picture, balance is struck and the whole life thing keeps moving forward.
i agree with you. we definitely WANT to live. if we already feel like our lives are meaningless, then we might as well just not be born at all. i personally don't feel we're on the same level, because i have the belief Christ died for the human being, and we're made in God's image. thanks for your thoughts and feelings on your beliefs.
i didn't say christ taught that, i'm well aware of what christ's teachings were. but all of those are in the old testament, dude.
yes, they are in the old testament, but Christ brought human beings back to God. Christ brought grace. no need for the people to sacrifice animals for God when Christ was the ultimate one.
anyway, that is what religion is about. hokey and archaic ceremonies of celebration (like my AA meetings ). the catholics are particularly bad about the hokiness, but they all do it to an extent. it's just a social function that brings like people together. race, religion, ethnicity, country, they're all just social tools to both celebrate shared values and to enforce them. i prefer to choose my social groups on different grounds. my spiritual beliefs are personal. my communal belonging is defined on other grounds.
i'm not for hokiness so i have to agree with you. whatever people feel comfortable with. but there are really good people out there in many religions. i prefer it if we all got along, but that's not the case in this imperfect world.
no problem. up above he said he basically agreed with what i said, so i think that's a rough answer to the question you posed him. but he'll answer at greater length in his own time im sure.[/quote]
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
"Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
Seems old Georgy boy isn't a real Christian, but who is. If you hate homosexuals and do not treat them as you would treat yourself than you are going against the word of God, right here in Luke6:35.
this might be the first time, but mr. ahnimus i have to agree with you on this.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
The sun or other stars aren't made from wood they are mostly hydrogen. Umm, shit I can't quite remember the scientists name, but he does actually grow brains. If I think of it I'll let you know.
i only used wood as an example. i wasn't saying the sun and stars were made out of wood. besides, God made a bush burn without consuming it so He can do that too. also, no scientist can actually create a brain like the human brain. God created man out of the dust. lets see a scientist do that.
Romans 11:33-36
another part of the Bible to get familiar with, mr. ahnimus.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
i only used wood as an example. i wasn't saying the sun and stars were made out of wood. besides, God made a bush burn without consuming it so He can do that too. also, no scientist can actually create a brain like the human brain. God created man out of the dust. lets see a scientist do that.
Romans 11:33-36
another part of the Bible to get familiar with, mr. ahnimus.
Did God make a bush burn? There is no proof of this.
Did God creat man from dust? There is no evidence of this.
Scientists will make brains superior to human's. Give it time.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What is the point in trying to explain it? You can't with absolute certainty, there is absolutely no way of knowing what "Got the ball rolling" all we know is that energy doesn't die it just changes form. This implies to me that the ball always has been rolling.
what's the point in trying to explain it? i don't know, mr. ahnimus, you seem to explain everything else. you SHOULD know. but i'll tell you with confidence what got the ball rolling:
Large fingers pushing paint
You're GOD and you've got big hands
The colors blend... the challenges you give man
Seek my part... devote myself
My small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Sometimes I know, sometimes I rise
Sometimes I fall, sometimes I don't
Sometimes I cringe, sometimes I live
Sometimes I walk, sometimes I kneel
Sometimes I speak of nothing at all
Sometimes I reach to myself, dear GOD
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
You should know. Aren't they using yours as a model? :rolleyes:
what is your take on deadmosquito's post? so far, there hasn't been a single one of the "being gay is a choice" christians willing to confront his testimony.
i agree with you. we definitely WANT to live. if we already feel like our lives are meaningless, then we might as well just not be born at all. i personally don't feel we're on the same level, because i have the belief Christ died for the human being, and we're made in God's image. thanks for your thoughts and feelings on your beliefs.
that's pretty much where i part ways with judeo-christian/islamic religion. i have a hard time believing there is anything truly unique about humans aside from the fact that we developed survival techniques so effective we now have time to sit around and talk shop about our place in the universe anytime i hear someone say we are created in god's image, i cannot help but think what is really happening is they are creating a god in their image. and im VERY uncomfortable with that. it ends up infecting the doctrine, so you end up with a god who's really kinda petty and jealous and insecure.
yes, they are in the old testament, but Christ brought human beings back to God. Christ brought grace. no need for the people to sacrifice animals for God when Christ was the ultimate one.
this is another issue i have with christianity. you admit they are in the old testament but say christ renders them inapplicable. why only those particular provisions but not homosexuality? i dont recall any passages where jesus said the old rules about proper slavery techniques, or raping virgins to make them your wife were out, but homos are still wrong. who gets to pick and choose which parts of the OT are no longer relevant and which are?
what is your take on deadmosquito's post? so far, there hasn't been a single one of the "being gay is a choice" christians willing to confront his testimony.
i'll simplify the answer for you without getting into details. at this point, i'm the only Christian willing to put up or shut up.
you have a choice to serve God or something that is not God. the people who are living a gay lifestyle choose not to serve God. so, it's a choice. i'm done for now. i've answered more questions than any other Christian in this thread so the others can pick up the slack. i have other things i need to be doing. peace.
I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
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well, He made the bees and likes honey, so maybe you're on to something.
yes, God is happy today.
don't we care about our own children being close to us? i personally worship because i'm grateful for the gift of life and the other gifts He's given me. i also want to add, God doesn't really need us, but we need Him. He can destroy the whole human race in a moment, but He's longsuffering.
what's your denomination? i asked that before and you didn't answer. also, id like to see your response to deadmosquitio's post... a gay man who said he fought with all his being not to be gay so as to not have to live with the abuse hurled at him by people like you. so how can you read his post and tell me being gay is a choice?
as to my beliefs, i recently took a quiz that said im unitarian universalist. i have no idea what that means. me, i believe in god. the god i believe in is more like gaia than god though... mother earth. it's the force underlying the entire universe and bringing order to chaos. it's the force behind the laws of science. and it is way beyond human affairs. it doesn't give a shit what humans do with their little lives becos to god, humans are just one very tiny piece of a vast universal puzzle. i don't worship my god, but i pray/meditate to it. it doesn't speak to me in burning bushes or ancient books, it speaks to me through the people in my life. it doesn't teach me homos are wrong, you can't eat pigs unless killed a certain way, raping a virgin means you have to marry her, you can't eat meat on fridays in lent, or any other trivial and ridiculous human song and dance to prove you're more holy than your neighbor. my god teaches me that i am at my happiest and best when i am living in harmony with those around me. when i am striving to be of service to them and accept them for who and what they are. not when i am trying to scold and control them by holding some eternal reward/punishment carrot over their head.
so no, i dont believe jesus died for anyone's sins or was any sort of god or rose from the dead. i believe he was a spirirtual guru, a humanitarian, and a political and religious revolutionary who was put to death for challenging the status quo.
that answer your question? now answer mine.
Your beliefs are rather similar to mine at the current moment...
PJammin', I will answer your question but it will have to wait for later. Im about to walk out the door to go out to eat. Be back around 5:30/6:00 EST. However, I'd like an ACTUAL response to the statements I posed to you first... like i said, its a a dilemma for you but it cant be ignored. So when I get back AND have an answer from you, then I'll try to type out all what I "believe" and how its possibly changing. Everyone else here so far has also brought up good points.
until i return.
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well, if a lot of people aren't 100% sure in what they believe that is fine. but if they're not 100% sure and they are ridiculing my beliefs(which i believe in 100%), i don't know about you, but it says A LOT to ME.
thank you for at least giving me that respect. i appreciate you saying that.
give me a specific example of something being proven by evolution that goes against creationism. i'll do my best to answer your example.
let me answer the last sentence of your paragraph. i don't go around calling gay folks sinners, or adulterers sinners, etc. i simply believe in God's Word. He makes it clear that this is a sin. so i accept it. this doesn't take anything away from me living in unity with a gay person. Jesus was around adulterers and all types of people. they knew His stance on what He believed. He didn't go around hating on them though.
i'm sorry, i've answered ALL your posts before, but until you answer my question you'll not get your answer to your latest. enjoy your meal. peace!
There is no possible way that evolution lead to only 2 humans Adam and Eve. We didn't evolve from apes over-night, it was a long process and there were thousands and thousands if not millions of individuals of intermediate species before homo-sapien. It wouldn't be likely that there would just be two humans.
Thanks that clarifies things, biologically there is no way a virgin human can give birth to a boy. So it's another transcription error, when faced with doubt, they took the most radical translation they could.
what about mine? or, more importantly, deadmosquito's.
i answered your question. i'm not put in a box. i follow Christ. what was Christ? was Christ a catholic, methodist, lutheran, etc. i don't think so.
i'll get to deadmosquito's post if i feel like it. i have a lot going on the way it is. where are all the OTHER christians to answer your questions? where is ForestBrain who started this whole thread? i have more coming at me than the non-believers. i can only answer so much.
you had to take a quiz to know what you are, and you don't even know what the word means? and you're attacking my beliefs and my 100% conviction in Christ. thanks.
so how do YOU explain the creation of the world, humans, plants, animals, etc., that got the ball rolling?
so humans don't really have any significance then? everything is on the same level. is that what you're saying? if i'm wrong, i'm sorry.
you're uninformed about the pig statement, the rape, and the eating meat on fridays. the eating meat on fridays is a catholic man-made custom. Christ doesn't teach that you're holier than your neighbor. i don't know what Christian told you that. actually, living in harmony is also the teaching of Christ, as you know.
thanks for answering the Jesus question. it was for scw, but i appreciate it anyway.
Jewish, Christ was middle-eastern Jewish.
What is the point in trying to explain it? You can't with absolute certainty, there is absolutely no way of knowing what "Got the ball rolling" all we know is that energy doesn't die it just changes form. This implies to me that the ball always has been rolling.
To me, the entire universe could implode and it would make no difference.
Hey, I'm just talking. You know Gilgamesh wouldn't want me to force my beliefs either.
I'm sorry I can't muster much respect for people who show such hate. That doesn't mean I hate them...
Cool. I'm glad you feel this way.
I said I rarely mocked
OK, I get it. Making a joke about Jesus or God or the Bible is mocking. I can't say I agree... but it's cool I won't make jokes about god anymore.
I've read the Bible. Once completely and plenty of other times just fragments.
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once again, God is perfect. He created adam and eve and the whole human race branched out from them. a perfect being can do things you can't, mr. ahnimus. like i said in one of my other posts. make a ball hover in the air like the moon. take a piece of wood and make that piece of wood burn thousands of years without going out like God does with the sun. why don't YOU make something as complicated as the human brain? do it! if you can do these things, then maybe i'll listen more closely to your words. but saying humans evolved from apes and intermediate species doesn't fly with me.
i didnt see the answer anywhere, but thanks for repeating yourself for my sake
and i do hope you feel like. im truly curious to hear. cos i find that 99.9% of the people like you or the godhatesfags group or anyone who says being gay is a choice, do not know any gay people (or lie about their one good friend who is gay or their one coworker they "know" but have never said anything to beyond business talk). so im truly curious to see if you consider him a liar, or a faker, or what... i mean, from his mouth, he tried to fight it. so there's a contradiction here and id like to see your take on that.
i take every qui im offered out of idle curiosity. the answer came back some religion i'd never heard of. i dont truck with religion. i believe in spirituality, but not the hocus pocus magic that goes with religion. so it was just to see who my beliefs actually lined up with the best.
i don't explain it per se. like i said, i call it god but think of it as simply a creative entity. it's not like a giant man standing in space building a universe, like the genesis account. the concept of god to me defies explanation. which is why i don't see how anyone can say "god clearly says being gay is wrong." god doesn't deign to explain herself to humans. there was creation, and i believe it continues today. but at no point did god take a special interest in humans, nor did the creation stop once we arrived.
that's sort of what i'm saying. humans have significance becos we value ourselves and want to live. our lives are not meaningless or anything. but on the whole, yes, everything is on the same level. humans do not have a right to live at the expense of the rest of creation, and all life is created equal, just different. we strive amongst each other for survival and the upper hand, but in the whole picture, balance is struck and the whole life thing keeps moving forward.
i didn't say christ taught that, i'm well aware of what christ's teachings were. but all of those are in the old testament, dude.
anyway, that is what religion is about. hokey and archaic ceremonies of celebration (like my AA meetings
no problem. up above he said he basically agreed with what i said, so i think that's a rough answer to the question you posed him. but he'll answer at greater length in his own time im sure.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Our entire western culture goes against the word of God. This says "and lend, hoping for nothing again" in other words, do not charge interest on a loan, our entire monetary system is debt based and we pay interest on the very money we own. "love ye your enemies", it would seem that Bushy forgot that part of Luke "and do good"
Bush Quotes
"Bring them on."
"Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
Seems old Georgy boy isn't a real Christian, but who is. If you hate homosexuals and do not treat them as you would treat yourself than you are going against the word of God, right here in Luke6:35.
Virtually no one follows the exact word of God, just one verse and you can see the entire society we live in goes against the word of God.
Actually if you look up American Anti-gravity you can see things hover. There is also a project that uses sound frequencies to hover small balls. There is a lot you don't know about. The sun or other stars aren't made from wood they are mostly hydrogen. Umm, shit I can't quite remember the scientists name, but he does actually grow brains. If I think of it I'll let you know.
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"you aren't getting anything for christmas!" lol
that's the only reason i go to xmas mass anymore
from deadmosquito:
"who gives a shit if YOU believe being gay isn't something you're born with. as a gay guy, i KNOW it was. i fought against it as much as i possibly could and guess what, all it did was make me suicidal and a crappy person in basically every way. after i realized that i couldn't change somethign that i was born with, i became a much better person. it's ridiculous for you, someone who is not gay, to say "people aren't born gay." how the fuck would you know?"
im curious what your answer to this is? is he lying? did he not try to choose hard enough?
Scientists aren't out to prove there is no God. They are out to prove what is objectively provable.
Ok, well the epic of gilgamesh has lasted for 6,000 years, that's probably better then. Chinese philosophy dates back further than Christianity too.
no problem. i have been to services, the last one was with someone dear to me and it was in late december. i can't speak for the name on the church because i don't remember. i don't know the denomination. it wasn't catholic, which a lot of people in my mom's side of the family is. i'm open to checking out a church if i feel good about it. i have been to church groups and Bible studies too. when my mom comes to visit me i'll attend catholic mass with her, but like i said, i don't agree with all of their customs. but going to church for me is a personal thing. i'm there for God.
i have known and currently know gays. i attended school in new york city and i live in a city now which has a higher population of gays. not knowing any hasn't been an issue with me. as far as deadmosquito, it would be wrong of me to call him a liar or a faker. it really isn't my place to do so.
i understand. cool. curiousity killed the cat.
i understand what you're saying. as far as the God i'm talking about, no one has seen His form, except for Jesus Christ. i can't comment on God the Father as a giant man. i believe as human beings we want and need love, and God fills that void, because God IS love.
i agree with you. we definitely WANT to live. if we already feel like our lives are meaningless, then we might as well just not be born at all. i personally don't feel we're on the same level, because i have the belief Christ died for the human being, and we're made in God's image. thanks for your thoughts and feelings on your beliefs.
yes, they are in the old testament, but Christ brought human beings back to God. Christ brought grace. no need for the people to sacrifice animals for God when Christ was the ultimate one.
i'm not for hokiness so i have to agree with you. whatever people feel comfortable with. but there are really good people out there in many religions. i prefer it if we all got along, but that's not the case in this imperfect world.
no problem. up above he said he basically agreed with what i said, so i think that's a rough answer to the question you posed him. but he'll answer at greater length in his own time im sure.[/quote]
this might be the first time, but mr. ahnimus i have to agree with you on this.
i only used wood as an example. i wasn't saying the sun and stars were made out of wood. besides, God made a bush burn without consuming it so He can do that too. also, no scientist can actually create a brain like the human brain. God created man out of the dust. lets see a scientist do that.
Romans 11:33-36
another part of the Bible to get familiar with, mr. ahnimus.
Did God make a bush burn? There is no proof of this.
Did God creat man from dust? There is no evidence of this.
Scientists will make brains superior to human's. Give it time.
You should know. Aren't they using yours as a model? :rolleyes:
what's the point in trying to explain it? i don't know, mr. ahnimus, you seem to explain everything else. you SHOULD know.
Large fingers pushing paint
You're GOD and you've got big hands
The colors blend... the challenges you give man
Seek my part... devote myself
My small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Sometimes I know, sometimes I rise
Sometimes I fall, sometimes I don't
Sometimes I cringe, sometimes I live
Sometimes I walk, sometimes I kneel
Sometimes I speak of nothing at all
Sometimes I reach to myself, dear GOD
what is your take on deadmosquito's post? so far, there hasn't been a single one of the "being gay is a choice" christians willing to confront his testimony.
proof is in the historical document.
Exodus 3:1-6
Genesis 2:7
not in your lifetime.
that's pretty much where i part ways with judeo-christian/islamic religion. i have a hard time believing there is anything truly unique about humans aside from the fact that we developed survival techniques so effective we now have time to sit around and talk shop about our place in the universe
this is another issue i have with christianity. you admit they are in the old testament but say christ renders them inapplicable. why only those particular provisions but not homosexuality? i dont recall any passages where jesus said the old rules about proper slavery techniques, or raping virgins to make them your wife were out, but homos are still wrong. who gets to pick and choose which parts of the OT are no longer relevant and which are?
i'll simplify the answer for you without getting into details. at this point, i'm the only Christian willing to put up or shut up.
you have a choice to serve God or something that is not God. the people who are living a gay lifestyle choose not to serve God. so, it's a choice. i'm done for now. i've answered more questions than any other Christian in this thread so the others can pick up the slack. i have other things i need to be doing. peace.