Liberal olive branch extended to the right...
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muddy waters wrote:I agree that discussions shouldn't end in name calling, which happens a lot any time you discuss politics be it in this board or at a bar. However, I never understood how politicians (both the loser and the winner) always say after an election that it's time to "heal." What does that mean? Basically it means that the ones who lost the election need to shut up for another four years! Why on earth would I do that?
I take it to mean that the politicians would prefer if you not get too involved with what they are doing until election time. It seems to me it's so that the details of who these people and political parties are and what they are really up to get lost in the election time rhetoric, so that the populace is just totally confused.
I know it sounds paranoid and not completely relevant to the original post, but if all the "facts" that are "discovered" about a person (ie voting record, service record, etc.)were brought out earlier on in the game, maybe voters would get a chance to find out the truth, or at least try to figure out how it all fits in to the bigger picture instead of latching on to the latest bits of gossip. If we voiced our opinion more than once every four years, maybe the elected officials would see us as a force to be reckoned with instead of people to be governed. Thus ends my rant for today.
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my2hands wrote:I agree with your points, and i am no roll over and play dead patsy liberal, but as i stated, i believe (and hope) that the common folks of this nation have the same goals in mind, just a different idea of how t oachieve...maybe i am being gullable... ?
No offense, but I think you are being gullable (sp).
The Right and Left DO NOT want the same things for their country. At least not the Right as it's being portrayed in DC these days.
It's obvious that we both dont want balanced budgets.
It's obvious that we dont share the same opinion on taxation formulas and trickle-down economic theory.
It's obvious that we disagree on how to defeat Islamic Fundementalism.
It's obvious that we disagree on how far the Constitutional protections should go when it comes to "homeland security".
It's obvious that we have different opinions when it comes to the treatment of prisoners of war and suspected terrorists.
It's obvious that we dont agree when it comes to bringing faith into the science class.
It's obvious that we dont agree on matters of a womans right to choose, the right to die in the manner you so wish, or the research on stem cells.
It's obvious which side we are on when it comes to environmental protections versus the interests of the corporate economy.
Id say we really dont agree on much. At all. We've long crossed the Rubicon of bipartisanship, now there are two very very different roads we can take. The lines have been drawn and the battle engaged. It's so very clear that the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave has no desire for compromise and therefore neither should we.
You cant play fair when the game is rigged.
All that said, Ill be glad to debate any topic any time, or if someone would prefer, to resort to flame wars and name calling. It's all good
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Pastor JeffD wrote:No offense, but I think you are being gullable (sp).
The Right and Left DO NOT want the same things for their country. At least not the Right as it's being portrayed in DC these days.
It's obvious that we both dont want balanced budgets.
It's obvious that we dont share the same opinion on taxation formulas and trickle-down economic theory.
It's obvious that we disagree on how to defeat Islamic Fundementalism.
It's obvious that we disagree on how far the Constitutional protections should go when it comes to "homeland security".
It's obvious that we have different opinions when it comes to the treatment of prisoners of war and suspected terrorists.
It's obvious that we dont agree when it comes to bringing faith into the science class.
It's obvious that we dont agree on matters of a womans right to choose, the right to die in the manner you so wish, or the research on stem cells.
It's obvious which side we are on when it comes to environmental protections versus the interests of the corporate economy.
Id say we really dont agree on much. At all. We've long crossed the Rubicon of bipartisanship, now there are two very very different roads we can take. The lines have been drawn and the battle engaged. It's so very clear that the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave has no desire for compromise and therefore neither should we.
You cant play fair when the game is rigged.
All that said, Ill be glad to debate any topic any time, or if someone would prefer, to resort to flame wars and name calling. It's all good
See I think you are wrong. I think he had it right. WE all want the same outcome, all have different ideas on how best to get there.hippiemom = goodness0 -
my2hands wrote:i feel debate is neccesary, but action is neccesarry as well, and it seems as though the partisan discussions end with little achieved
Well there isn't going to be an "action" on the board. It's all debate. The question can there be debate with the insults from both sides.0 -
Pastor JeffD wrote:No offense, but I think you are being gullable (sp).
The Right and Left DO NOT want the same things for their country. At least not the Right as it's being portrayed in DC these days.
It's obvious that we both dont want balanced budgets.
It's obvious that we dont share the same opinion on taxation formulas and trickle-down economic theory.
It's obvious that we disagree on how to defeat Islamic Fundementalism.
It's obvious that we disagree on how far the Constitutional protections should go when it comes to "homeland security".
It's obvious that we have different opinions when it comes to the treatment of prisoners of war and suspected terrorists.
It's obvious that we dont agree when it comes to bringing faith into the science class.
It's obvious that we dont agree on matters of a womans right to choose, the right to die in the manner you so wish, or the research on stem cells.
It's obvious which side we are on when it comes to environmental protections versus the interests of the corporate economy.
Id say we really dont agree on much. At all. We've long crossed the Rubicon of bipartisanship, now there are two very very different roads we can take. The lines have been drawn and the battle engaged. It's so very clear that the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave has no desire for compromise and therefore neither should we.
You cant play fair when the game is rigged.
All that said, Ill be glad to debate any topic any time, or if someone would prefer, to resort to flame wars and name calling. It's all good
you touched on part of my point... the right in D.C. is not the same as the everyday people of this country...i dont think (again the word hope comes to mind)... i think there is a big difference...and now bush approval rating are well below 50 % on all fronts... hopefully evidence to the divide in Dc and hometown USA0 -
Anyone ever notice that most RIGHT leaning people on this board are WRONG and most of the LEFT leaning people on this board are RIGHT.0
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Staceb10 wrote:Well there isn't going to be an "action" on the board. It's all debate. The question can there be debate with the insults from both sides.
i disagree, i believe action can be achieved through discussion and debate... that is what facilitates action...discourse, discussion, education, and communication.0 -
MrBrian wrote:Anyone ever notice that most RIGHT leaning people on this board are WRONG and most of the LEFT leaning people on this board are RIGHT.
Nope, never noticed that.hippiemom = goodness0 -
MrBrian wrote:Anyone ever notice that most RIGHT leaning people on this board are WRONG and most of the LEFT leaning people on this board are RIGHT.
I've certainly noticed how most LEFT leaners think they're RIGHT.I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.0 -
Pastor JeffD wrote:No offense, but I think you are being gullable (sp).
The Right and Left DO NOT want the same things for their country. At least not the Right as it's being portrayed in DC these days.
It's obvious that we both dont want balanced budgets.
It's obvious that we dont share the same opinion on taxation formulas and trickle-down economic theory.
It's obvious that we disagree on how to defeat Islamic Fundementalism.
It's obvious that we disagree on how far the Constitutional protections should go when it comes to "homeland security".
It's obvious that we have different opinions when it comes to the treatment of prisoners of war and suspected terrorists.
It's obvious that we dont agree when it comes to bringing faith into the science class.
It's obvious that we dont agree on matters of a womans right to choose, the right to die in the manner you so wish, or the research on stem cells.
It's obvious which side we are on when it comes to environmental protections versus the interests of the corporate economy.
Id say we really dont agree on much. At all. We've long crossed the Rubicon of bipartisanship, now there are two very very different roads we can take. The lines have been drawn and the battle engaged. It's so very clear that the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave has no desire for compromise and therefore neither should we.
You cant play fair when the game is rigged.
All that said, Ill be glad to debate any topic any time, or if someone would prefer, to resort to flame wars and name calling. It's all good
these are the stances that the current administation takes, but many people who consider themselves Republicans or Conservatives don't necessarily agree with many, some, or all of this. You we do have some differences, but if you really look at what people truely want out of life, we have much more in common. We all want financial security, a safe environment to raise a family, decent healthcare so that the financial burden for medical care doesn't fall on our loved one, a good education for our children, and enough cahnge left in our pocket at the end of our working lifes to be able to enjoy retirement. Neither party really cares about that so we have to and we have to work together to make sure that our government initiates policies that are beneficial to us, not just their campaign supporters. Once we finally have a government that truely cares and respects it's constituants, then let's worry about our differences."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
Pastor JeffD wrote:The Right and Left DO NOT want the same things for their country.
In my2hands defense, the common folk should not be identified with the Right and Left. Most people are in the middle, and do share common goals.
They do agree something should be done to stop Islamic fundamentalism, but can be misled as to what to do about it.
They agree that people have rights, but are (unfortunately) willing to give them up if it means that we can stop terrorism.
They agree life is precious, but don't know what that means in terms of a fetus, or a quadraplegic who might need stem cell research to achieve a life that we all take for granted.
So the goals are very much the same, in the broad sense.0 -
mammasan wrote:these are the stances that the current administation takes, but many people who consider themselves Republicans or Conservatives don't necessarily agree with many, some, or all of this. You we do have some differences, but if you really look at what people truely want out of life, we have much more in common. We all want financial security, a safe environment to raise a family, decent healthcare so that the financial burden for medical care doesn't fall on our loved one, a good education for our children, and enough cahnge left in our pocket at the end of our working lifes to be able to enjoy retirement. Neither party really cares about that so we have to and we have to work together to make sure that our government initiates policies that are beneficial to us, not just their campaign supporters. Once we finally have a government that truely cares and respects it's constituants, then let's worry about our differences.
AKA...corporations rule the day0 -
mammasan wrote:I would say to increase our say in government affairs and policy. I'm sure 100% of here would agree that the government for the most part does not act in our best interest.
I can support this. I say it SHOULD be game on...like Paster JeffD said...but it needs to be game on in the form that mammasan is talking about. We can argue all day on a stupid message board...but when it comes down to it...we need to be uniting and fighting these elected officials to do what we have asked them to do. No one is above fucking any of us over, simply because they have a D or R in front of their name while they appear on TV. The problem is finding issues that we can all unite on, or that we can all talk about in a nice manner. It's hard to do, emotions run high. Corruption runs rampant in our government too.MOSSAD NATO Alphabet Stations (E10)
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_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:I've certainly noticed how most LEFT leaners think they're RIGHT.
Well, it all depends on what "right" means, neo cons thought it was right to invade iraq, the left felt it was wrong, turns out the left was right.
unless the neo con feels that its right (the war), which doesnt matter because they would still be wrong because based on their claims before the war now 2 or whatever years later its been proven that iraq had no WMD thus proving that they were wrong and wont admit that the left was right.
Iraq in now a terrorist ground, iraq didnt have WMD,been more terror attacks around the world since the war.
How was the war right?0 -
hailhailkc wrote:I can support this. I say it SHOULD be game on...like Paster JeffD said...but it needs to be game on in the form that mammasan is talking about. We can argue all day on a stupid message board...but when it comes down to it...we need to be uniting and fighting these elected officials to do what we have asked them to do. No one is above fucking any of us over, simply because they have a D or R in front of their name while they appear on TV. The problem is finding issues that we can all unite on, or that we can all talk about in a nice manner. It's hard to do, emotions run high. Corruption runs rampant in our government too.
the PEOPLE must take back this democracy, because it is currently an auction0 -
hailhailkc wrote:I can support this. I say it SHOULD be game on...like Paster JeffD said...but it needs to be game on in the form that mammasan is talking about. We can argue all day on a stupid message board...but when it comes down to it...we need to be uniting and fighting these elected officials to do what we have asked them to do. No one is above fucking any of us over, simply because they have a D or R in front of their name while they appear on TV. The problem is finding issues that we can all unite on, or that we can all talk about in a nice manner. It's hard to do, emotions run high. Corruption runs rampant in our government too.
Just to illustrate some examples; eminent domain. I'm sure all of us on this board, regardless of political ideology, call bullshit on this. Who the hell wants the government, weither it be federal, state, or municiple, taking their homes to put up a hotel or strip mall. Another is minimum wage. The Federal minimum wage has not change since 1997, yet the cost of living has. Also in that same time frame, the same politicians who have decided that minimumwage does not need to be increase have given themselves a 27% increase in pay. Again it doesn't matter what political party or ideology you align yourself with, this is just bullshit. Politicians from both parties are not serving our interests. This was a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Now it seems that it is a government above the people and for corporate interest."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
mammasan wrote:Just to illustrate some examples; eminent domain. I'm sure all of us on this board, regardless of political ideology, call bullshit on this. Who the hell wants the government, weither it be federal, state, or municiple, taking their homes to put up a hotel or strip mall. Another is minimum wage. The Federal minimum wage has not change since 1997, yet the cost of living has. Also in that same time frame, the same politicians who have decided that minimumwage does not need to be increase have given themselves a 27% increase in pay. Again it doesn't matter what political party or ideology you align yourself with, this is just bullshit. Politicians from both parties are not serving our interests. This was a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. Now it seems that it is a government above the people and for corporate interest.
applauds post... obviously one of the many talented, educated people of this board... great post...0 -
The ruling on eminent domain opened up Pandora's box, I feel. The government can now take your home b/c it wants to build anything at all, public or private.
Take with it the ruling that they want to be able to take away your home and car if you declare bankruptcy. Since you need a credit check to rent a place anymore where will you live and how will you get to work if you live in a place w/o mass transit?
Add in our old friend the Patriot Act where the gov't canamong other things incarcerate you w/o due process.
Mix well and bake for 1 hour and what do you get?
Certainly not a government of the people, for the people and by the people.0 -
muddy waters wrote:The ruling on eminent domain opened up Pandora's box, I feel. The government can now take your home b/c it wants to build anything at all, public or private.
Take with it the ruling that they want to be able to take away your home and car if you declare bankruptcy. Since you need a credit check to rent a place anymore where will you live and how will you get to work if you live in a place w/o mass transit?
Add in our old friend the Patriot Act where the gov't canamong other things incarcerate you w/o due process.
Mix well and bake for 1 hour and what do you get?
Certainly not a government of the people, for the people and by the people.
absolutely on point good friend... and i assume that our friends on the right would agree with this as well...0
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