I agree for the most part, but I would argue that the elite you are speaking of don't want us to disagree necessarily, but to be apathetic and go about our daily lives uninvolved and uniformed.
when we run out of distractors, we'll be sitting on the doorstep of marshall law......excellent point in your post.
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
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god is love
love is light
I'm sure you can see as well that MANY people do abuse the welfare system. I've seen many people do it personally. Here are two examples:
One couple I know with three children receive welfare checks, food stamps, WIC and medi-cal (state funded medical coverage). They drive a brand new Chevy Tahoe and only shop at Abercrombie and Fitch. Neither of them are disabled (in fact they work out at the gym four times a week) and neither of them work.
The other couple with one child do both work, also collect WIC and medi-cal and own not one but two homes!! Also the state pays for their day-care. The kid is there nine hours a day, five days a week and with a babysitter on the weekends.
This behavior drives me insane!! In the meantime I am still paying the hospital for the baby I had eight months ago. All together the cost of that pregnancy and delivery cost $5900. You would not believe how often I heard "You should go on medi-cal." I'm not having a child if I can't pay for it myself. This country would be a lot less populated if we all had those same morals.
There is nothing wrong when folks use the system that they have paid into, when in need.
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
There is nothing wrong when folks use the system that they have paid into, when in need.
That's the problem. Alot of them HAVEN'T PAID IN!!! They've never had a job and never intended to get one. They leach off the system. I love what Tommy Thompson did here in Wisconsin with the Welfare to Work program. It got people off thier asses and into a job.
There is nothing wrong when folks use the system that they have paid into, when in need.
There's a difference in USING the system and ABUSING the system. There are plenty of people that really need that assistance. I don't think either of those two stories meet that criteria.
I don't agree that ODB should sum up everyone that's on welfare, even though he was a legend r.i.p.
Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!
Let him? I don't think so. Even your pals the USSR had problems in this region if I'm not mistaken.
The Taliban has not crept back in. It has always been there in some way shape or form. It probably always will be.
And you know this how? Because news coverage focuses in Iraq?
You people love America like O.J. loved Nicole.
LMAO.
A) do you read the news or just let Sean Hannity tell you what to think. We were in position to close in on Bin Laden in Tora Bora -- instead of sending in American forces we let Afghan proxies do the hard work for us. No doubt because it could have been very bloody and Murder Monkey had his eyes on a bigger prize. Dude, it's a fucking FACT. We surrounded his position, and then let what-amounts-to Afghan mercs do the heavy lifting.
Ohhhhh, but I thought we were delivering freedom to the Afghan people? Geez, if the Taliban is gonna always be there? Wha? What's that? My point was that Afghanistan isnt free, there is no real security outside of Kabul.
C) Again, dude, put down the News Max and actually learn something - check out our troop levels in Iraq v. Afghanistan or the amount of money that goes into each campaign and get back to me.
D) *yawn*... "You people"... classic.
It's been said before, but Ill say it again - see, "we people" love America like adults love things - when it's good, keep it good, when it's wrong, make it good. "You people" love America like a five year old likes his Pokemon cards. "these are the bestest cards in the whole world and if you dont like them you are just a big doo-doo head, I know they are best cause my mommy told me so (or in your case, John Gibson)... and if you dont like them Im gonna punch you".
Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!
Ok, Ive admitted that it's a flawed system... and it needs further reworking... though Id prefer to address the problems that cause the poverty that makes people actually need the assistance, but I digress....
First, the money lost via fraud is sick, but it's also a piss-in-the-bucket low amount compared to the fraud that is ongoing in Iraq. That aint partisan sniping that's just the facts. (some 9b bucks earmarked for reconstruction in Iraq have 'vanished'... shit it may be more, that was a while ago).
That isnt to marginalize the problem - there is wasted money in the welfare program, and Id like to see something done about it. It fuckin galls me for anyone to screw the system, whether it be someone on welfare or the fact that Halliburton doesnt pay Federal Income Tax
Second, the GOP has control of the House, the Senate, and the Exectutive branch - as well as the majority of the state houses around the country.
So what is stopping them from correcting this problem that has a few of you so very bothered?
That's the problem. Alot of them HAVEN'T PAID IN!!! They've never had a job and never intended to get one. They leach off the system. I love what Tommy Thompson did here in Wisconsin with the Welfare to Work program. It got people off thier asses and into a job.
Hello. I agree that prior to the Welfare Reform System (incidentally, became restructured all over the country-in my county the year ofd 1994), I was shocked when I moved to Lake County, CA, attained a job in a convenience store/gas, and on the 1st of the month, we'd have 4 generations of welfare recipients come into buy thier gas and cigs. The previous sytem had created a sloth-like mentality. But now that there is welfare to work, basically these parents are earining their keep--the responsible ones anyway. Then we have the folks like my next door neighbor, hwo has had five kids, and only two from the same father (twins at that), who is vicitmized by even a leaf falling off the trees, who collects welfare for her tribe, but pawns her kids off on each of the fathers. I encourage anyone to use it. I have had to a time or two in my life, and the first time I needed it, I was too proud, so I paid consequences for that behavior, and lost my son because I couldn't support him. (i am one of the working poor). 8 years later I had a daughter, again, working below poverty guidlelines, and then I wasn't so proud to use those food stamps, medical, and cash-aid (up to the age of 3 years for her-after that couldn't jump throught hoops-so accepted food stamps and medical). If you have worked and paid taxes, and you need it, please, don't be foolish like I was when I was twenty-five......my masta callin me now.........have a good day.
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a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!
In ODB's case, he was already on welfare before Wu-Tang hit it big so I guess he just never canceled it. I don't think that the whole system should be summed up based on his situation. Crazy how an MTV News promo turns into proof as to why welfare isn't working.
What about corporate welfare? It is abused far more and is more expensive than the public welfare is, where's the outrage over that?
its legal in canada
ford ran his cars on it
republican alaska once legalised it or still?
dem fdr made it illegal
bush hates it
bush sucks
its ten times stronger than steel as a material for cars
it gives back oxygen
gets rid of polution
were screwed living in a plastic land
its legal in canada
ford ran his cars on it
republican alaska once legalised it or still?
dem fdr made it illegal
bush hates it
bush sucks
its ten times stronger than steel as a material for cars
it gives back oxygen
gets rid of polution
were screwed living in a plastic land
most interesting and awesome information....could you please start a thread regarding this expansive topic...i'd love to hear muchmore........thanks.
all insanity:
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
A) do you read the news or just let Sean Hannity tell you what to think. We were in position to close in on Bin Laden in Tora Bora -- instead of sending in American forces we let Afghan proxies do the hard work for us. No doubt because it could have been very bloody and Murder Monkey had his eyes on a bigger prize. Dude, it's a fucking FACT. We surrounded his position, and then let what-amounts-to Afghan mercs do the heavy lifting.
I've never watched Sean Hannity and I don't watch Fox News. I think it's hilarious that you assume that just because I don't agree with you. I also think you are over-simplifying the ability to wage war in that part of the world. It's about as tough as it gets.
Ohhhhh, but I thought we were delivering freedom to the Afghan people? Geez, if the Taliban is gonna always be there? Wha? What's that? My point was that Afghanistan isnt free, there is no real security outside of Kabul.
There will always be a few of them left in Afghanistan. Impossible to kill them all. They will become a nuisance.
C) Again, dude, put down the News Max and actually learn something - check out our troop levels in Iraq v. Afghanistan or the amount of money that goes into each campaign and get back to me.
Did you ever stop to think that the troop levels are exactly where they need to be for the Afghanistan mission?
D)It's been said before, but Ill say it again - see, "we people" love America like adults love things - when it's good, keep it good, when it's wrong, make it good. "You people" love America like a five year old likes his Pokemon cards. "these are the bestest cards in the whole world and if you dont like them you are just a big doo-doo head, I know they are best cause my mommy told me so (or in your case, John Gibson)... and if you dont like them Im gonna punch you".
First off, you assume I watch Fox News and I don't. Secondly the rest of your statement, while incorrect, is funny
back in the saddle again, wondering if any of my conservative friends out there can answer a question i have... it appears to me that the GOP's campaign has consisted of big business (profit over people), war, anti-equal rights, uncontrolled spending (real conservatives would be calling for impeachment), fully automatic weapons, enviromental deregulation, etc... is this a correct summary, and if it is, do you support this, and if not, why still support the corporate agenda by voting GOP ?
really, that is interesting... i notice you location, i am assuming that this is the majority opinion in your part of the country, i am on the east coast and it is the minority opinion... i have to say that i am 99% dead set against it... wondering why you would support this ? not saying you are wrong by the way, just curious ?
really, that is interesting... i notice you location, i am assuming that this is the majority opinion in your part of the country, i am on the east coast and it is the minority opinion... i have to say that i am 99% dead set against it... wondering why you would support this ? not saying you are wrong by the way, just curious ?
Same reason I'm for freedom of speech. Without the Second Amendment the others are lost very easliy.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. A criminal has no regard for the law and will do what they do no matter how many laws you make. I do think we need to license guns and I am for background checks.
Before you ask "Why do you need a machine gun?"
Why does anyone need a car capable of doing 200mph?
Same reason I'm for freedom of speech. Without the Second Amendment the others are lost very easliy.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. A criminal has no regard for the law and will do what they do no matter how many laws you make. I do think we need to license guns and I am for background checks.
Before you ask "Why do you need a machine gun?"
Why does anyone need a car capable of doing 200mph?
They don't but they should be able to own one.
i would argue that we dont need cars that go over 80 mph, let alone 200
That's what America's about! Do you need a car that can do 200? No. But you can own one if you'd like.
[DON KING]Only in America!![/DON KING]
the same argument could be applied to anything, such as child pornagraphy...we can all agree that possessing this should be illegal...because of the victims... the same that there are multiple victims from excessive speeding or mis handled weapons such as the ones being discussed ? i see no need to fire 100 rounds per minute...there is only one purpose of these weapons, that is to use on humans ?
the same argument could be applied to anything, such as child pornagraphy...we can all agree that possessing this should be illegal...because of the victims... the same that there are multiple victims from excessive speeding or mis handled weapons such as the ones being discussed ? i see no need to fire 100 rounds per minute...there is only one purpose of these weapons, that is to use on humans ?
Not even close to being the same thing. Child pornography is the end result of a crime comitted against a child.
Simply lawfully owning a gun hurts absolutely NO ONE! What people choose to do with anything they own is up to them. A person could kill you with a pencil. Banning pencils will not stop someone from killing if that's what they want to do. They'll simply use something else to do it.
As for firing 100rds/min, there is indeed a need. I like having a 40rd magazine on my rifle. It means I don't have to reload as often. I am a responsible law-abiding citizen, why shouldn't I be able to own a full auto gun? I pose no threat of harm to anyone.
You should have someone you know who is a responsible gun owner, take you out to a range. Shooting is fun!
the same argument could be applied to anything, such as child pornagraphy...we can all agree that possessing this should be illegal...because of the victims... the same that there are multiple victims from excessive speeding or mis handled weapons such as the ones being discussed ? i see no need to fire 100 rounds per minute...there is only one purpose of these weapons, that is to use on humans ?
So I guess it would be okay to ban everything that has potential to hurt someone since child pornography is bad, right?
Comparing speeding and guns to child pornography is ridiculous.
Firearms are involved in the deaths of more than 37,000 people each year, the second leading cause of injury-related death in the United States.
Firearm deaths have increased 60 percent since 1968. During 1991, 5,356 young men and women under the age of 20 were killed by firearms, the leading cause of death for both African-American and Caucasian youth in America.
Gun Violence Statistics
Yearly, Japan experiences a gun-violence rate drastically less than that experienced in the United States. This becomes evident when you compare gun violence statistics for Japan with gun violence statistics for the United States.
· Japan had fewer gun violence deaths in all of 1995 than the United States had in an average day (Coalition).
· According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, in 1997 there were 32,436 gun-related deaths in the United States. According to Japan's National Police Agency there were 19 gun-related deaths nation-wide in Japan in 1998 (Dolan).
· The robbery rate in Japan is 1.4 per 100,000, compared to 220.9 in the United States (Kopel).
· Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year for every million inhabitants; New York City has 11,000 (Japanese).
Gun Violence Statistics
Yearly, Japan experiences a gun-violence rate drastically less than that experienced in the United States. This becomes evident when you compare gun violence statistics for Japan with gun violence statistics for the United States.
· Japan had fewer gun violence deaths in all of 1995 than the United States had in an average day (Coalition).
· According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, in 1997 there were 32,436 gun-related deaths in the United States. According to Japan's National Police Agency there were 19 gun-related deaths nation-wide in Japan in 1998 (Dolan).
· The robbery rate in Japan is 1.4 per 100,000, compared to 220.9 in the United States (Kopel).
· Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year for every million inhabitants; New York City has 11,000 (Japanese).
You are dealing with a far less violent culture in the Japanese and they also have a much lower overall crime rate.
Apples and Oranges.
Look at the skyrocketing crime rates of Great Britian and Austrailia. Two countries where firearms have been nearly totally banned.
Our crime rate continues to decline year after year.
Firearms are involved in the deaths of more than 37,000 people each year, the second leading cause of injury-related death in the United States.
Firearm deaths have increased 60 percent since 1968. During 1991, 5,356 young men and women under the age of 20 were killed by firearms, the leading cause of death for both African-American and Caucasian youth in America.
In 2003 the rate of violent crime involving a firearm was only about 7%.
7% of the population fucking up means the rest of us have to suffer?
The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 67% of the 16,503 murders in 2003 were committed with firearms. That equals 11,057 a third of the number you provided.
Gun crime is at the same level now as it was in 1973.
In 2003 the rate of violent crime involving a firearm was only about 7%.
meaningless statistic... if there were 1 billion violent crimes then that would result in 7 million firearm related ? a % doesnt reflect the much documented problem the US faces in gun violence (comparitively to the rest of the industrial world)... i work with at risk youth, mostly in the inner city and I have seen too many 14 year olds die as a result of guns... it is very tragic... the difference is that because of your location (assuming rural) guns are used for legitimate purposes such as hunting or recreation (i would argue you can target practice with Bows or pellet guns for the same affect of marksmanship)... where as in non-rural locations we have a tremendous problem with gun related crime
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Let him? I don't think so. Even your pals the USSR had problems in this region if I'm not mistaken.
The Taliban has not crept back in. It has always been there in some way shape or form. It probably always will be.
And you know this how? Because news coverage focuses in Iraq?
You people love America like O.J. loved Nicole.
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
That's the problem. Alot of them HAVEN'T PAID IN!!! They've never had a job and never intended to get one. They leach off the system. I love what Tommy Thompson did here in Wisconsin with the Welfare to Work program. It got people off thier asses and into a job.
There's a difference in USING the system and ABUSING the system. There are plenty of people that really need that assistance. I don't think either of those two stories meet that criteria.
Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!
LMAO.
A) do you read the news or just let Sean Hannity tell you what to think. We were in position to close in on Bin Laden in Tora Bora -- instead of sending in American forces we let Afghan proxies do the hard work for us. No doubt because it could have been very bloody and Murder Monkey had his eyes on a bigger prize. Dude, it's a fucking FACT. We surrounded his position, and then let what-amounts-to Afghan mercs do the heavy lifting.
C) Again, dude, put down the News Max and actually learn something - check out our troop levels in Iraq v. Afghanistan or the amount of money that goes into each campaign and get back to me.
D) *yawn*... "You people"... classic.
It's been said before, but Ill say it again - see, "we people" love America like adults love things - when it's good, keep it good, when it's wrong, make it good. "You people" love America like a five year old likes his Pokemon cards. "these are the bestest cards in the whole world and if you dont like them you are just a big doo-doo head, I know they are best cause my mommy told me so (or in your case, John Gibson)... and if you dont like them Im gonna punch you".
Ok, Ive admitted that it's a flawed system... and it needs further reworking... though Id prefer to address the problems that cause the poverty that makes people actually need the assistance, but I digress....
First, the money lost via fraud is sick, but it's also a piss-in-the-bucket low amount compared to the fraud that is ongoing in Iraq. That aint partisan sniping that's just the facts. (some 9b bucks earmarked for reconstruction in Iraq have 'vanished'... shit it may be more, that was a while ago).
That isnt to marginalize the problem - there is wasted money in the welfare program, and Id like to see something done about it. It fuckin galls me for anyone to screw the system, whether it be someone on welfare or the fact that Halliburton doesnt pay Federal Income Tax
Second, the GOP has control of the House, the Senate, and the Exectutive branch - as well as the majority of the state houses around the country.
So what is stopping them from correcting this problem that has a few of you so very bothered?
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
In ODB's case, he was already on welfare before Wu-Tang hit it big so I guess he just never canceled it. I don't think that the whole system should be summed up based on his situation. Crazy how an MTV News promo turns into proof as to why welfare isn't working.
What about corporate welfare? It is abused far more and is more expensive than the public welfare is, where's the outrage over that?
theres little to like about a lot of politicians whether dem or rep
in wa here we voted for medical pot ,bush pig wants it illegal ,,he and his minions dont want "health for all" ,does he?
yuck bush!
i voted for kerry and rossi
then i read kerry wanted to give nuke fuel to korea -sick
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
ford ran his cars on it
republican alaska once legalised it or still?
dem fdr made it illegal
bush hates it
bush sucks
its ten times stronger than steel as a material for cars
it gives back oxygen
gets rid of polution
were screwed living in a plastic land
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
I've never watched Sean Hannity and I don't watch Fox News. I think it's hilarious that you assume that just because I don't agree with you. I also think you are over-simplifying the ability to wage war in that part of the world. It's about as tough as it gets.
There will always be a few of them left in Afghanistan. Impossible to kill them all. They will become a nuisance.
Did you ever stop to think that the troop levels are exactly where they need to be for the Afghanistan mission?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040709-afghan-presence.htm
First off, you assume I watch Fox News and I don't. Secondly the rest of your statement, while incorrect, is funny
I fully support licensed fully automatic weapons.
really, that is interesting... i notice you location, i am assuming that this is the majority opinion in your part of the country, i am on the east coast and it is the minority opinion... i have to say that i am 99% dead set against it... wondering why you would support this ? not saying you are wrong by the way, just curious ?
Same reason I'm for freedom of speech. Without the Second Amendment the others are lost very easliy.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. A criminal has no regard for the law and will do what they do no matter how many laws you make. I do think we need to license guns and I am for background checks.
Before you ask "Why do you need a machine gun?"
Why does anyone need a car capable of doing 200mph?
They don't but they should be able to own one.
i would argue that we dont need cars that go over 80 mph, let alone 200
Need? No.
That's what America's about! Do you need a car that can do 200? No. But you can own one if you'd like.
[DON KING]Only in America!![/DON KING]
the same argument could be applied to anything, such as child pornagraphy...we can all agree that possessing this should be illegal...because of the victims... the same that there are multiple victims from excessive speeding or mis handled weapons such as the ones being discussed ? i see no need to fire 100 rounds per minute...there is only one purpose of these weapons, that is to use on humans ?
Not even close to being the same thing. Child pornography is the end result of a crime comitted against a child.
Simply lawfully owning a gun hurts absolutely NO ONE! What people choose to do with anything they own is up to them. A person could kill you with a pencil. Banning pencils will not stop someone from killing if that's what they want to do. They'll simply use something else to do it.
As for firing 100rds/min, there is indeed a need. I like having a 40rd magazine on my rifle. It means I don't have to reload as often. I am a responsible law-abiding citizen, why shouldn't I be able to own a full auto gun? I pose no threat of harm to anyone.
You should have someone you know who is a responsible gun owner, take you out to a range. Shooting is fun!
Comparing speeding and guns to child pornography is ridiculous.
Replied to wrong post.
Firearms are involved in the deaths of more than 37,000 people each year, the second leading cause of injury-related death in the United States.
Firearm deaths have increased 60 percent since 1968. During 1991, 5,356 young men and women under the age of 20 were killed by firearms, the leading cause of death for both African-American and Caucasian youth in America.
?, is this what the costitution intended
Yearly, Japan experiences a gun-violence rate drastically less than that experienced in the United States. This becomes evident when you compare gun violence statistics for Japan with gun violence statistics for the United States.
· Japan had fewer gun violence deaths in all of 1995 than the United States had in an average day (Coalition).
· According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, in 1997 there were 32,436 gun-related deaths in the United States. According to Japan's National Police Agency there were 19 gun-related deaths nation-wide in Japan in 1998 (Dolan).
· The robbery rate in Japan is 1.4 per 100,000, compared to 220.9 in the United States (Kopel).
· Tokyo has 40 reported muggings a year for every million inhabitants; New York City has 11,000 (Japanese).
You are dealing with a far less violent culture in the Japanese and they also have a much lower overall crime rate.
Apples and Oranges.
Look at the skyrocketing crime rates of Great Britian and Austrailia. Two countries where firearms have been nearly totally banned.
Our crime rate continues to decline year after year.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm
In 2003 the rate of violent crime involving a firearm was only about 7%.
7% of the population fucking up means the rest of us have to suffer?
The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 67% of the 16,503 murders in 2003 were committed with firearms. That equals 11,057 a third of the number you provided.
Gun crime is at the same level now as it was in 1973.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm
Also firearms are not the leading cause of death amongst Adolescents, accidents were http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/001915.htm