Liberal olive branch extended to the right...

69charger

Pastor JeffD wrote:

Well, we let Bin Laden escape in Tora Bora.

Let him? I don't think so. Even your pals the USSR had problems in this region if I'm not mistaken.

We've allowed much of the country to be run by poppy growing war-lords, the Talliban has crept back in.

The Taliban has not crept back in. It has always been there in some way shape or form. It probably always will be.

The border between Pakistan and Afghanistan is fuckin rife with Al Queda -- we havent near the troops there to really stomp them out.

Come on, we BOTH know where our priorities are. Dont jerk me around and say that we've got our eyes equally on both theaters of combat.

And you know this how? Because news coverage focuses in Iraq?

And I never bash America - I love my country - I only "bash" people and things that I think are hurting the country I love (que Star Spangled Banner).

You people love America like O.J. loved Nicole.

melodious

out of my head wrote:

I agree for the most part, but I would argue that the elite you are speaking of don't want us to disagree necessarily, but to be apathetic and go about our daily lives uninvolved and uniformed.

when we run out of distractors, we'll be sitting on the doorstep of marshall law......excellent point in your post.

melodious

69charger wrote:

Let him? I don't think so. Even your pals the USSR had problems in this region if I'm not mistaken.



The Taliban has not crept back in. It has always been there in some way shape or form. It probably always will be.



And you know this how? Because news coverage focuses in Iraq?



You people love America like O.J. loved Nicole.

here, here, to your assertions......the words you give, hold so much intelligence.

melodious

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I'm sure you can see as well that MANY people do abuse the welfare system. I've seen many people do it personally. Here are two examples:

One couple I know with three children receive welfare checks, food stamps, WIC and medi-cal (state funded medical coverage). They drive a brand new Chevy Tahoe and only shop at Abercrombie and Fitch. Neither of them are disabled (in fact they work out at the gym four times a week) and neither of them work.

The other couple with one child do both work, also collect WIC and medi-cal and own not one but two homes!! Also the state pays for their day-care. The kid is there nine hours a day, five days a week and with a babysitter on the weekends.

This behavior drives me insane!! In the meantime I am still paying the hospital for the baby I had eight months ago. All together the cost of that pregnancy and delivery cost $5900. You would not believe how often I heard "You should go on medi-cal." I'm not having a child if I can't pay for it myself. This country would be a lot less populated if we all had those same morals.

There is nothing wrong when folks use the system that they have paid into, when in need.

69charger

melodious wrote:

There is nothing wrong when folks use the system that they have paid into, when in need.

That's the problem. Alot of them HAVEN'T PAID IN!!! They've never had a job and never intended to get one. They leach off the system. I love what Tommy Thompson did here in Wisconsin with the Welfare to Work program. It got people off thier asses and into a job.

Staceb10

melodious wrote:

There is nothing wrong when folks use the system that they have paid into, when in need.

There's a difference in USING the system and ABUSING the system. There are plenty of people that really need that assistance. I don't think either of those two stories meet that criteria.

Staceb10

SweetHarmonics wrote:

this thread turned out pretty well

I don't agree that ODB should sum up everyone that's on welfare, even though he was a legend r.i.p.

Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!

Pastor JeffD

69charger wrote:

Let him? I don't think so. Even your pals the USSR had problems in this region if I'm not mistaken.



The Taliban has not crept back in. It has always been there in some way shape or form. It probably always will be.



And you know this how? Because news coverage focuses in Iraq?



You people love America like O.J. loved Nicole.

LMAO.

A) do you read the news or just let Sean Hannity tell you what to think. We were in position to close in on Bin Laden in Tora Bora -- instead of sending in American forces we let Afghan proxies do the hard work for us. No doubt because it could have been very bloody and Murder Monkey had his eyes on a bigger prize. Dude, it's a fucking FACT. We surrounded his position, and then let what-amounts-to Afghan mercs do the heavy lifting.

Ohhhhh, but I thought we were delivering freedom to the Afghan people? Geez, if the Taliban is gonna always be there? Wha? What's that? My point was that Afghanistan isnt free, there is no real security outside of Kabul.

C) Again, dude, put down the News Max and actually learn something - check out our troop levels in Iraq v. Afghanistan or the amount of money that goes into each campaign and get back to me.

D) *yawn*... "You people"... classic.

It's been said before, but Ill say it again - see, "we people" love America like adults love things - when it's good, keep it good, when it's wrong, make it good. "You people" love America like a five year old likes his Pokemon cards. "these are the bestest cards in the whole world and if you dont like them you are just a big doo-doo head, I know they are best cause my mommy told me so (or in your case, John Gibson)... and if you dont like them Im gonna punch you".

Pastor JeffD

Staceb10 wrote:

Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!

Ok, Ive admitted that it's a flawed system... and it needs further reworking... though Id prefer to address the problems that cause the poverty that makes people actually need the assistance, but I digress....

First, the money lost via fraud is sick, but it's also a piss-in-the-bucket low amount compared to the fraud that is ongoing in Iraq. That aint partisan sniping that's just the facts. (some 9b bucks earmarked for reconstruction in Iraq have 'vanished'... shit it may be more, that was a while ago).

That isnt to marginalize the problem - there is wasted money in the welfare program, and Id like to see something done about it. It fuckin galls me for anyone to screw the system, whether it be someone on welfare or the fact that Halliburton doesnt pay Federal Income Tax

Second, the GOP has control of the House, the Senate, and the Exectutive branch - as well as the majority of the state houses around the country.

So what is stopping them from correcting this problem that has a few of you so very bothered?

melodious

69charger wrote:

That's the problem. Alot of them HAVEN'T PAID IN!!! They've never had a job and never intended to get one. They leach off the system. I love what Tommy Thompson did here in Wisconsin with the Welfare to Work program. It got people off thier asses and into a job.

Hello. I agree that prior to the Welfare Reform System (incidentally, became restructured all over the country-in my county the year ofd 1994), I was shocked when I moved to Lake County, CA, attained a job in a convenience store/gas, and on the 1st of the month, we'd have 4 generations of welfare recipients come into buy thier gas and cigs. The previous sytem had created a sloth-like mentality. But now that there is welfare to work, basically these parents are earining their keep--the responsible ones anyway. Then we have the folks like my next door neighbor, hwo has had five kids, and only two from the same father (twins at that), who is vicitmized by even a leaf falling off the trees, who collects welfare for her tribe, but pawns her kids off on each of the fathers. I encourage anyone to use it. I have had to a time or two in my life, and the first time I needed it, I was too proud, so I paid consequences for that behavior, and lost my son because I couldn't support him. (i am one of the working poor). 8 years later I had a daughter, again, working below poverty guidlelines, and then I wasn't so proud to use those food stamps, medical, and cash-aid (up to the age of 3 years for her-after that couldn't jump throught hoops-so accepted food stamps and medical). If you have worked and paid taxes, and you need it, please, don't be foolish like I was when I was twenty-five......my masta callin me now.........have a good day.

SweetHarmonics

Staceb10 wrote:

Who said he summed up everyone on welfare? It just proves how fucked up the system is when a multi-platinum, millionaire rapper can actually get APPROVED FOR WELFARE CHECKS!!!!!!

In ODB's case, he was already on welfare before Wu-Tang hit it big so I guess he just never canceled it. I don't think that the whole system should be summed up based on his situation. Crazy how an MTV News promo turns into proof as to why welfare isn't working.

What about corporate welfare? It is abused far more and is more expensive than the public welfare is, where's the outrage over that?

RavennaSeattle1911

http://www.prisonplanet.com/

theres little to like about a lot of politicians whether dem or rep

in wa here we voted for medical pot ,bush pig wants it illegal ,,he and his minions dont want "health for all" ,does he?

yuck bush!

i voted for kerry and rossi
then i read kerry wanted to give nuke fuel to korea -sick

RavennaSeattle1911

its legal in canada
ford ran his cars on it
republican alaska once legalised it or still?
dem fdr made it illegal
bush hates it
bush sucks
its ten times stronger than steel as a material for cars
it gives back oxygen
gets rid of polution
were screwed living in a plastic land

melodious

RavennaSeattle1911 wrote:

its legal in canada
ford ran his cars on it
republican alaska once legalised it or still?
dem fdr made it illegal
bush hates it
bush sucks
its ten times stronger than steel as a material for cars
it gives back oxygen
gets rid of polution
were screwed living in a plastic land

most interesting and awesome information....could you please start a thread regarding this expansive topic...i'd love to hear muchmore........thanks.

69charger

Pastor JeffD wrote:

A) do you read the news or just let Sean Hannity tell you what to think. We were in position to close in on Bin Laden in Tora Bora -- instead of sending in American forces we let Afghan proxies do the hard work for us. No doubt because it could have been very bloody and Murder Monkey had his eyes on a bigger prize. Dude, it's a fucking FACT. We surrounded his position, and then let what-amounts-to Afghan mercs do the heavy lifting.

I've never watched Sean Hannity and I don't watch Fox News. I think it's hilarious that you assume that just because I don't agree with you. I also think you are over-simplifying the ability to wage war in that part of the world. It's about as tough as it gets.

Ohhhhh, but I thought we were delivering freedom to the Afghan people? Geez, if the Taliban is gonna always be there? Wha? What's that? My point was that Afghanistan isnt free, there is no real security outside of Kabul.

There will always be a few of them left in Afghanistan. Impossible to kill them all. They will become a nuisance.

C) Again, dude, put down the News Max and actually learn something - check out our troop levels in Iraq v. Afghanistan or the amount of money that goes into each campaign and get back to me.

Did you ever stop to think that the troop levels are exactly where they need to be for the Afghanistan mission?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040709-afghan-presence.htm

D)It's been said before, but Ill say it again - see, "we people" love America like adults love things - when it's good, keep it good, when it's wrong, make it good. "You people" love America like a five year old likes his Pokemon cards. "these are the bestest cards in the whole world and if you dont like them you are just a big doo-doo head, I know they are best cause my mommy told me so (or in your case, John Gibson)... and if you dont like them Im gonna punch you".

First off, you assume I watch Fox News and I don't. Secondly the rest of your statement, while incorrect, is funny

my2hands

back in the saddle again, wondering if any of my conservative friends out there can answer a question i have... it appears to me that the GOP's campaign has consisted of big business (profit over people), war, anti-equal rights, uncontrolled spending (real conservatives would be calling for impeachment), fully automatic weapons, enviromental deregulation, etc... is this a correct summary, and if it is, do you support this, and if not, why still support the corporate agenda by voting GOP ?

69charger

my2hands wrote:

fully automatic weapons...do you support this...?

I fully support licensed fully automatic weapons.

my2hands

69charger wrote:

I fully support licensed fully automatic weapons.

really, that is interesting... i notice you location, i am assuming that this is the majority opinion in your part of the country, i am on the east coast and it is the minority opinion... i have to say that i am 99% dead set against it... wondering why you would support this ? not saying you are wrong by the way, just curious ?

69charger

my2hands wrote:

really, that is interesting... i notice you location, i am assuming that this is the majority opinion in your part of the country, i am on the east coast and it is the minority opinion... i have to say that i am 99% dead set against it... wondering why you would support this ? not saying you are wrong by the way, just curious ?

Same reason I'm for freedom of speech. Without the Second Amendment the others are lost very easliy.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. A criminal has no regard for the law and will do what they do no matter how many laws you make. I do think we need to license guns and I am for background checks.

Before you ask "Why do you need a machine gun?"

Why does anyone need a car capable of doing 200mph?

They don't but they should be able to own one.

my2hands

69charger wrote:

Same reason I'm for freedom of speech. Without the Second Amendment the others are lost very easliy.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. A criminal has no regard for the law and will do what they do no matter how many laws you make. I do think we need to license guns and I am for background checks.

Before you ask "Why do you need a machine gun?"

Why does anyone need a car capable of doing 200mph?

They don't but they should be able to own one.

i would argue that we dont need cars that go over 80 mph, let alone 200