Liberal olive branch extended to the right...
my2hands
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As a far left leaning contributor to this message board, i have noticed that there seems to be an equal number of right leaning voices. Within the threads we seem to get caught into partisan discussion, each side stating their position over and over (myself a guilty party), which most of us already have an understanding of each sides position. The problem with this is that we are getting caught in a cycle of agreeing to disagree. On either side of these discussions there seems to be very intelligent, talented minds. I fell we need to find a common ground and help to affect a positive change in our resepctive communities and the global community. Quite frankly, we are achieving exactly what is desired by the elite that profit from our labor and hardships, we are engaging in endless partisan arguments, achieving little action for the better of humanity. I can confidently state that both sides want to achieve the same goals... peace, equality, living wage, just treatment for all, heal the sick, feed the poor, house the homeless, strong education for all, strong enviroment protection, etc... to leave a better world for our children and the future generations to come. The difference seems to be the application or approach to achieve these common goals. I do not think that even the farthest right leaning soul (on this board) wants war, famine, disease, etc... We are just viewing the world through different colored lenses. let us unite against the people that block this progress, that continue to exploit this planet and the human race for their immense gain. We must realise that we are pawns in a game, and that average folks like me and you are truly losing out. Please, let us use our brains (and hearts) to help one another bring about much needed change. please accept my extension of this olive branch from the left to the right! peace to all
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"wont someone save the world" eV
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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excellent point, it is better for us to not even argue, just not care, which is all too common in todays world
i am not so sure about that, i am very suprised by the amount of right leaning people i see on here, on the moving train anyway, where the complex issues of our day are discussed in quite detail at times...
doesnt this feel good already... this message board has tremendous potential, i just feel that is underutilized because of partisan bickering (myself included)
We are all guilty at one point or another of participating in the endless bickering. The point is that we have matured and seen past that. We are now able to appreciate what other's with different views and opinions have to offer and work together to make a change.
Yes, let's get started. What is the goal?
This olive branch stuff is equal to the Dem Convention last fall - be above the fray, be positive. Then the GOP strolls out Zell Miller and Dick Cheney, the Swift Boat Liars, and they bash Kerry and Dems into pulp.
No thanks. There is an idealogical war in America. The Left has been getting its ass kicked, but is just now starting to put together the frame-work of a real body politic and getting a mechanism to spread it's message.
Now, Im all for real debate between the Liberal and Conservative schools of political theory, but in so far as the on going struggle for the soul of America -Our country is turning from a Republic to an Imperial State, from one founded on freedoms, to one ruled by fear -- no thanks, I will not go quietly.
It's game ON. In AMT and in real life. Game on.
now, my right leaning friend ...what kind of a "catch" are you refering too ?
My only request is that the phrase "Wake Up" be removed from the discussion. This is a completely subjective phrase that is often used by those on the left towards those on the right in reference to the opinion that anyone who supports Bush is ignorant and not capable of thinking for themself.
Please, if we are here discussing points obviously we care and hopefully are willing to educate ourselves.
THOSE ON THE RIGHT ARE AWAKE, WE JUST DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.
Thanks!
I would say to increase our say in government affairs and policy. I'm sure 100% of here would agree that the government for the most part does not act in our best interest.
I'll know it when I see it.
Interesting....... I guess that means you intend on not debating any issues with the conservatives on this board?
I take it to mean that the politicians would prefer if you not get too involved with what they are doing until election time. It seems to me it's so that the details of who these people and political parties are and what they are really up to get lost in the election time rhetoric, so that the populace is just totally confused.
I know it sounds paranoid and not completely relevant to the original post, but if all the "facts" that are "discovered" about a person (ie voting record, service record, etc.)were brought out earlier on in the game, maybe voters would get a chance to find out the truth, or at least try to figure out how it all fits in to the bigger picture instead of latching on to the latest bits of gossip. If we voiced our opinion more than once every four years, maybe the elected officials would see us as a force to be reckoned with instead of people to be governed. Thus ends my rant for today.
I agree with your points, and i am no roll over and play dead patsy liberal, but as i stated, i believe (and hope) that the common folks of this nation have the same goals in mind, just a different idea of how t oachieve...maybe i am being gullable... ?
point taken
are you refering to my thread...conservatives unite, and jump off a cliff ? no more i promise (my shoestrings are crossed)
excellent point
i feel debate is neccesary, but action is neccesarry as well, and it seems as though the partisan discussions end with little achieved
No offense, but I think you are being gullable (sp).
The Right and Left DO NOT want the same things for their country. At least not the Right as it's being portrayed in DC these days.
It's obvious that we both dont want balanced budgets.
It's obvious that we dont share the same opinion on taxation formulas and trickle-down economic theory.
It's obvious that we disagree on how to defeat Islamic Fundementalism.
It's obvious that we disagree on how far the Constitutional protections should go when it comes to "homeland security".
It's obvious that we have different opinions when it comes to the treatment of prisoners of war and suspected terrorists.
It's obvious that we dont agree when it comes to bringing faith into the science class.
It's obvious that we dont agree on matters of a womans right to choose, the right to die in the manner you so wish, or the research on stem cells.
It's obvious which side we are on when it comes to environmental protections versus the interests of the corporate economy.
Id say we really dont agree on much. At all. We've long crossed the Rubicon of bipartisanship, now there are two very very different roads we can take. The lines have been drawn and the battle engaged. It's so very clear that the current occupant of 1600 Penn Ave has no desire for compromise and therefore neither should we.
You cant play fair when the game is rigged.
All that said, Ill be glad to debate any topic any time, or if someone would prefer, to resort to flame wars and name calling. It's all good
See I think you are wrong. I think he had it right. WE all want the same outcome, all have different ideas on how best to get there.
Well there isn't going to be an "action" on the board. It's all debate. The question can there be debate with the insults from both sides.
you touched on part of my point... the right in D.C. is not the same as the everyday people of this country...i dont think (again the word hope comes to mind)... i think there is a big difference...and now bush approval rating are well below 50 % on all fronts... hopefully evidence to the divide in Dc and hometown USA
i disagree, i believe action can be achieved through discussion and debate... that is what facilitates action...discourse, discussion, education, and communication.
Nope, never noticed that.
I've certainly noticed how most LEFT leaners think they're RIGHT.