God vs Logic

dg1979us wrote:

Well that is tough to argue against, and it is kind of difficult for me to do so since I am not really religious, so its hard for me to argue that side. But, the Bible, and probably most religions, teach you that you arent perfect, and you are going to sin and make mistakes. I dont think it necessarily makes it insincere, but more that you recognize your weakness and imperfections. Now, again, it is more of a personal thing. Lots of people who claim to be religious are merely giving lipservice to it, and for those people then I think you can make the claim it is insincere. But the people who really do try to live a "righteous" life I think it is more of a recognizing your faults or mistakes and trying to make them better and using your faith to help better yourself. Just my take on it, but I do think its different to different people.

I can see where you are coming from. I do think there is a certain aspect of religious people who do try to live life as righteous as they can. But they seem so rare to me. Still seems like constant self loathing and a strong need for some sort of approval to me, though. Like you're just never going to be good enough no matter what you do.

With the god thing, no logic is needed. There is a leap of faith here. I find it interesting that some of you seem to link the bible w/god. The bible to me is just literature cobbled together over time and has been used to subjugate women, especially, forever.

I was raised Catholic. Now I have no religion. I think there is an order to things. I look at nature for that. I don't believe that god has human form and a nice white beard. I think the idea of Jesus is really neat. Jesus was all about love and he was a rebel. Unfortunately, religion is not about love. What man has done in God's name stinks.

The Catholic way out of the god is perfect so why is man not perfect as god couldn't make anything imperfect: FREEWILL baby. And don't forget original sin. Gets them out of a lot of holes.

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I can see where you are coming from. I do think there is a certain aspect of religious people who do try to live life as righteous as they can. But they seem so rare to me. Still seems like constant self loathing and a strong need for some sort of approval to me, though. Like you're just never going to be good enough no matter what you do.

Well, my mother and grandparents are really religous, but also rational people, not nutty religious. And I also went to a Baptist college so I ran into the type of people you are referring to, but I would say most are not self loathing, just my experience. I actually ran into more people who seemed to think they were better than everybody because of their religion, more than those that looked down on themselves. But, Im sure it just depends on the person.

Stop arguing and feel the love of god!

Seriously, isn't it a choice?

Again, we are mistaking religion for god. My in-laws think they have a space in heaven because they're Presbyterian. No blacks attend their church; happenstance? I don't think so.

God isn't stupid.

No, he's a panderer. If they said the earth was flat, the earth would be flat, for the love of God. Vote Republican because we love god!

dg1979us wrote:

I think that has to do a bit with Bush and his pandering to religion. I never remember religion being such a controversial topic until Bush started working for votes from them, and then all the nutty religious people came out of the woodwork. Or maybe I just wasnt paying attention before that.

I just always thought some were kinda nuts because of the things I kept being told as child that were supposed to be wrong but I couldn't see a reason why it should be wrong. We all know the gay thing. Then I was told white people can't marry black people, it says so in bible!? (does it really say that?) And the crap about women being like servants of men...ugh!! The way they never seemed to question these things...they were there in the bible and that is enough for them, no questions asked. And they always get real preachy when talking about these things, they demand everyone live by these beliefs or you are against god! So what if I was against god, it has nothing to do with you, buddy. If I go to hell you can even point down and laugh at me. I won't hold it against ya.

I respect the ones who have their beliefs and let me have my own without looking down or me or judging me.

Ahnimus wrote:

Well I am not getting worked up.

But it stands to reason that since we have absolutely no evidence physically or logically to the support the existance of our so-called creator that any attempt and integrating it into our societies should be futile. However, it is so deeply entwined with our history that so many of us believe it and disallow said logic. To this day we hear about ID/Creationism debates for school curriculum. It is still the motto of the USA "in God we trust" it is still written in the Canadian Charter of Human Rights "This is god's law".

My supervisor at work expressed to me that people who live in Canada should all follow the word of God. Her reasoning is that this country was founded by believers in god so therefore it should remain a sanctuary for people alike.

I hate when people say that stuff, too. This country was founded by slave owners...what's your point?

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm not sure what this Anselm guy is getting at, maybe you can break it down. I was kind of turned off in the first few lines when he redefines "understanding" as "philosophical belief"

Anselm believed that through reason alone you could come to a belief in God. In fact, he is credited with one of the most famous arguments for the existence of God, the ontological argument. It is presented in the article...