becos the women around here dont hate me enough already

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    women are such good listeners and so kind and understanding.

    men are so strong and dependable emotionally.

    is that negative?

    you're just projecting your glass is half empty mentality on the entire world.

    I just see a glass that is 50% occupied by H2O and 50% occupied by Air.

    I'm not a fan of this optimist/pessimist paradigm that's become so popular.

    I think it's used as an excuse for ignoring the part that is empty.

    "men are so strong and dependable emotionally." Who says that? Nobody says that!
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    catefrances wrote:
    LMFAO :D:D:D

    the words of a man looking to get to some. :D:p

    hey, we're not the ones bursting into tears over a really sad commercial. who's gonna tell you to toughen the fuck up when that happens if not a man who realizes how stupid it is?

    you go to a funeral? who's weeping and moaning and who's being the strong, comforting presence?
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    soulsinging wrote:
    hey, we're not the ones bursting into tears over a really sad commercial. who's gonna tell you to toughen the fuck up when that happens if not a man who realizes how stupid it is?

    you go to a funeral? who's weeping and moaning and who's being the strong, comforting presence?
    Could your caricatures be any more transparent?? :D
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    soulsinging wrote:
    hey, we're not the ones bursting into tears over a really sad commercial. who's gonna tell you to toughen the fuck up when that happens if not a man who realizes how stupid it is?

    you go to a funeral? who's weeping and moaning and who's being the strong, comforting presence?

    I guess it all depends on who's wearing the pants in the relationship...
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    angelica wrote:
    Could your caricatures be any more transparent?? :D

    i can try. my point was simply that he's obsessing over how stereotypes are cultural and dictate behave and are horribly oppressive and restrictive. that's wrong. stereotypes are inherently descriptive, they become stereotypes becos people notice commonalities in the behavior of x group of people. and they are not all inherently oppressive and bad.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    hey, we're not the ones bursting into tears over a really sad commercial. who's gonna tell you to toughen the fuck up when that happens if not a man who realizes how stupid it is?

    you go to a funeral? who's weeping and moaning and who's being the strong, comforting presence?

    conor conor conor you macho man you. :rolleyes:

    if only i watched commercials or even gave a shit. :D

    when you've finished pounding your chest like a gorilla, can you take that garbage out for me. :p:D thanks babe. :p
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Oh man...hahahhaha :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    soulsinging wrote:
    i can try. my point was simply that he's obsessing over how stereotypes are cultural and dictate behave and are horribly oppressive and restrictive. that's wrong. stereotypes are inherently descriptive, they become stereotypes becos people notice commonalities in the behavior of x group of people. and they are not all inherently oppressive and bad.
    I agree that they are not inherently oppressive or bad, even though there is a shadow side to generalizing and stereotyping. They are technically neutral in that these norms are meeting needs for us, or they would fall away.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    i can try. my point was simply that he's obsessing over how stereotypes are cultural and dictate behave and are horribly oppressive and restrictive. that's wrong. stereotypes are inherently descriptive, they become stereotypes becos people notice commonalities in the behavior of x group of people. and they are not all inherently oppressive and bad.

    I didn't say they are all negative. But mostly the negative connotations are used. Women say nice things about women and bad things about men, and vice versa.

    For example, many men would say women are worse drivers because they try to multi-task, chatting on their phones, doing their make-up, etc.. Meanwhile, women will say men are worse drivers because their testosterone and macho mentality. The insurance companies using their accuators will tell you that women are statistically better drivers. However, I've never caused an accident, I've been in several, one that almost took my life as a child and within all my power, I will not do that to someone else. I don't talk on my cell-phone while driving, I mostly ignore my passengers, my focus is on the road and I obey every law of the road. Both of those stereotypes are wrong, it comes down to the individual.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    I guess it all depends on who's wearing the pants in the relationship...

    or who is wearing the dress.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    catefrances wrote:
    conor conor conor you macho man you. :rolleyes:

    if only i watched commercials or even gave a shit. :D

    when you've finished pounding your chest like a gorilla, can you take that garbage out for me. :p:D thanks babe. :p

    no problem darling. ill lift that. i wouldnt want you to get those pretty nails dirty.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    no problem darling. ill lift that. i wouldnt want you to get those pretty nails dirty.

    *he pats her on the arse as she hands him a beer*

    *she smiles lovingly at him*

    it's so good having a big strong man around the house. i don't know what i'd ever do without you. :D:p
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    cutback wrote:
    Cmon guy are you telling me that this

    http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/87/3455087.jpg

    is fruity?!?! :eek: :p:p:D:D:D

    :o A guy I went out with actually had that hairdo!! :o

    The one second from the left. :eek:

    I can tell you it made kissing somewhat dangerous for the eyes!! ;)

    Needless to say we broke up!! :p
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    I was listening to body language psychologists talk about how the position of our bodies during communication can actually outspeak our words and lead to miscommunication.

    One example that comes to mind is if your woman is getting dressed to go out, and comes to you asking you how she looks, you need to line up your hip position in tandem with hers i.e. facing her square on before you provide your answer. If your hips are misaligned to the left right or sideways, the message is interpreted as "I really don't give a shit". Also talked about were all the poker tells that poker players give away when they have the "nuts" or are just bluffing. Men and women are quite different here as well. People who touch around the throat and neck area a lot are actually soothing themselves subconsciously.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    *he pats her on the arse as she hands him a beer*

    *she smiles lovingly at him*

    it's so good having a big strong man around the house. i don't know what i'd ever do without you. :D:p

    I'm down with all that, but when it becomes "Women are better parents" and therefor have favor in child custody battles. Then it's a problem. Or when the O.P.P. (Ontario Provincial Police) respond to a domestic violence call and have to follow this script that says; remove the man from the home; take photographs of damage to female; place charges on male. Then it's a problem.

    I'll tell you this story, if you haven't heard it. A couple, friends of mine, had a fight. Shandel (female) was leaving that morning to her parents for the weekend. John (male) was sleeping. Shadel was pissed off that John wouldn't get out of bed to see her off, she tried waking him and he just said "see you later" and went back to sleep. So, Shandel jumped on him, and she is a big woman, he's a little guy. She continued to beat the shit out of him and he tried to restrain her. A neighbour called the O.P.P., when they showed up they automatically assumed that he was hitting her. Shandel explained the whole situation honestly to the police. The officers examined both of them for bruises and found that John was pretty beat up and Shandel had a few restraint marks. They placed charges of assault on both of them, removed John from the home and placed a restraining order on him. He wasn't allowed to see his wife or his baby for 3 months. He was the major bread-winner and had to pay all of the bills in her name and rent through a proxy. Finally they went to court and received diversion, which means no criminal charges, but were both sentenced to anger management counseling. At this point you would think they would put them in a private session, but no, they have a system set up. They put the men in anger management training, force them to confront their anger and learn to control it. They put the women in a class for coping with partner's aggression, they have tea, lounge around on sofas and discuss their husband's rage or whatever else. You see, how these stereotypes affect how society deals with situations. It's totally lop-sided and, well, it bugs me.

    A guy I knew in Victoria.. his wife divorced him, but she charged him with something, he was a teacher and lost his job cause he was in jail, he was found not-guilty, but ended up working at Radio Shack as a salesman. He lost his kids, his house and he pays through his nose to support her. He gets to see his kids once a week and can't even afford to buy them an ice-cream. It's fucking sick, and it's the "gender role" bias of the legal system that makes it sick.

    All the rest, is good stuff, it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I was listening to body language psychologists talk about how the position of our bodies during communication can actually outspeak our words and lead to miscommunication.

    One example that comes to mind is if your woman is getting dressed to go out, and comes to you asking you how she looks, you need to line up your hip position in tandem with hers i.e. facing her square on before you provide your answer. If your hips are misaligned to the left right or sideways, the message is interpreted as "I really don't give a shit". Also talked about were all the poker tells that poker players give away when they have the "nuts" or are just bluffing. Men and women are quite different here as well. People who touch around the throat and neck area a lot are actually soothing themselves subconsciously.

    Yea man. Wide-leg stance, sitting on hands, it all says something ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    hippiemom wrote:
    ALMOST as fruity as this.

    Oooh!! I LOVE Duran Duran!!! :D
    NOPE!!!

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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    angelica wrote:
    Ouch. You're hurting me...... :(




    Duran Duran rules!!! I love to receive my myspace bulletins written by John Taylor, the legend, himself! And baraka's husband resembled him back in the day!

    I'm with you girl!!! Love those fellas!!

    And how LUCKY is baraka??? ;):p:D
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    angelica wrote:
    ........For example, I used to believe men were abusive and that the large majority were sexually assaultive. I then attraced abusive man after man and sexual assault after sexual assault. Since I've learned to focus differently, I've come to attract cool, intelligent, reasonably balanced men who can not only handle, but who actually appreciate strong, intelligent, reasonably balanced women...........


    Managed the first bit girl. But teach me the second? ;):D
    NOPE!!!

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    The currents will shift
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I'm down with all that, but when it becomes "Women are better parents" and therefor have favor in child custody battles. Then it's a problem. Or when the O.P.P. (Ontario Provincial Police) respond to a domestic violence call and have to follow this script that says; remove the man from the home; take photographs of damage to female; place charges on male. Then it's a problem.

    I'll tell you this story, if you haven't heard it. A couple, friends of mine, had a fight. Shandel (female) was leaving that morning to her parents for the weekend. John (male) was sleeping. Shadel was pissed off that John wouldn't get out of bed to see her off, she tried waking him and he just said "see you later" and went back to sleep. So, Shandel jumped on him, and she is a big woman, he's a little guy. She continued to beat the shit out of him and he tried to restrain her. A neighbour called the O.P.P., when they showed up they automatically assumed that he was hitting her. Shandel explained the whole situation honestly to the police. The officers examined both of them for bruises and found that John was pretty beat up and Shandel had a few restraint marks. They placed charges of assault on both of them, removed John from the home and placed a restraining order on him. He wasn't allowed to see his wife or his baby for 3 months. He was the major bread-winner and had to pay all of the bills in her name and rent through a proxy. Finally they went to court and received diversion, which means no criminal charges, but were both sentenced to anger management counseling. At this point you would think they would put them in a private session, but no, they have a system set up. They put the men in anger management training, force them to confront their anger and learn to control it. They put the women in a class for coping with partner's aggression, they have tea, lounge around on sofas and discuss their husband's rage or whatever else. You see, how these stereotypes affect how society deals with situations. It's totally lop-sided and, well, it bugs me.

    A guy I knew in Victoria.. his wife divorced him, but she charged him with something, he was a teacher and lost his job cause he was in jail, he was found not-guilty, but ended up working at Radio Shack as a salesman. He lost his kids, his house and he pays through his nose to support her. He gets to see his kids once a week and can't even afford to buy them an ice-cream. It's fucking sick, and it's the "gender role" bias of the legal system that makes it sick.

    All the rest, is good stuff, it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

    I think these scenarios are very sad, and completely unfair. Having said that, the reason that the procedures and laws are in place that are is because of statistics. In order for the statistics to change and then impact on the procedures, means that more men need to come forward. It also means that this scenario is currently happening more to women than men. What should we do about that?
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift

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