R.I.P Saddam Hussein

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  • gardenlover
    gardenlover Posts: 185
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    As far as Gerald Ford is concerned, my understanding is that his pardon of Nixon is what cost him the election in '76. So I think the idea that he had to pardon Nixon to end the "national nightmare" is just media hype. I think people wanted justice to be carried out.

    As for Saddam Hussein, it just feels very creepy to me to have him or anyone executed, especially hanged - regardless of the crimes committed. Furthermore, it solves nothing, and may cause greater conflict. This is Iraqi law, but if our government was civilized, it would have stated its disapproval.

    "regardless of the crimes comitted"

    http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=11881
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  • sponger
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    This thread right now has 40 replies and 41 views. Considering that threads are given 1 view and 0 replies by default, I guess this means that everyone who has viewed this thread has posted to it thus far.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Karma now there is an interesting philosophy. Let's debate that for a while shall we?

    Watch out Midge, you don't want ahnimus on your tail! You've got too much on today!;)
    NOPE!!!

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  • midgey
    midgey Posts: 5
    Jeanie wrote:
    Watch out Midge, you don't want ahnimus on your tail! You've got too much on today!;)
    i do??
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    So folks, not to rain on the fire and brimstone set, but I think I agree with Abook here, how will us celebrating his death change what he did 1 iota? And I'd really like someone to talk to me about the 10,000 plus kurds that will never have their day in court now and have their holocaust recognised because he was given the easy option and not held accountable for so much much more. Dancing on his grave will change nothing for him and make changes in us that we really don't need.
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  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Jeanie wrote:
    So folks, not to rain on the fire and brimstone set, but I think I agree with Abook here, how will us celebrating his death change what he did 1 iota? And I'd really like someone to talk to me about the 10,000 plus kurds that will never have their day in court now and have their holocaust recognised because he was given the easy option and not held accountable for so much much more. Dancing on his grave will change nothing for him and make changes in us that we really don't need.

    Plenty more Kurds killed in the mountains of Turkey. America doesn't care about the Kurds.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    As far as Gerald Ford is concerned, my understanding is that his pardon of Nixon is what cost him the election in '76. So I think the idea that he had to pardon Nixon to end the "national nightmare" is just media hype. I think people wanted justice to be carried out.

    As for Saddam Hussein, it just feels very creepy to me to have him or anyone executed, especially hanged - regardless of the crimes committed. Furthermore, it solves nothing, and may cause greater conflict. This is Iraqi law, but if our government was civilized, it would have stated its disapproval.

    Good points. Thank you.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    enharmonic wrote:
    Plenty more Kurds killed in the mountains of Turkey. America doesn't care about the Kurds.

    well why should they? what have the kurds ever done for the US of A?

    did you think it was about equality and democracy?
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    gardenlover wrote:
    "regardless of the crimes comitted"

    http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=11881


    so does this mean the more rational parts of my brain should not override the primative reptilian part?

    believe me, i get angry enough to have thoughts of wanting to kill someone, and its often for things much less severe than genocide. but that doesn't make it right.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    As far as Gerald Ford is concerned, my understanding is that his pardon of Nixon is what cost him the election in '76. So I think the idea that he had to pardon Nixon to end the "national nightmare" is just media hype. I think people wanted justice to be carried out.

    As for Saddam Hussein, it just feels very creepy to me to have him or anyone executed, especially hanged - regardless of the crimes committed. Furthermore, it solves nothing, and may cause greater conflict. This is Iraqi law, but if our government was civilized, it would have stated its disapproval.
    Yet another example of how we have one set of rules for ourselves, and another set for everyone else. American arrogance at it's finest.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    so does this mean the more rational parts of my brain should not override the primative reptilian part?

    believe me, i get angry enough to have thoughts of wanting to kill someone, and its often for things much less severe than genocide. but that doesn't make it right.

    I get pissed at my boss sometimes.
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  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    BarkingDogs wrote:
    yadda yadda yadda...i can't hear you over the cheering iraqis!

    is that cheering or jeering
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    is that cheering or jeering

    Warning: Dumb people have reported on this thread, reporting on their inability to think beyond the emotional input supplied by the local network news.
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  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    catefrances wrote:
    well why should they? what have the kurds ever done for the US of A?

    did you think it was about equality and democracy?

    Not at all, but if we're going to cast Hussein in the light of burtal killer of Kurds, we have some friends in the north who routinely execute Kurds and have been doing so for decades. To make an issue of Hussein's guilt while ignoring the blood on the hands of the Turkish government is pretty F'd up on our part.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    enharmonic wrote:
    Not at all, but if we're going to cast Hussein in the light of burtal killer of Kurds, we have some friends in the north who routinely execute Kurds and have been doing so for decades. To make an issue of Hussein's guilt while ignoring the blood on the hands of the Turkish government is pretty F'd up on our part.

    Being fucked up hypocrites is the name of the game here.
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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    no oil in Turkey.
  • enharmonic
    enharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Being fucked up hypocrites is the name of the game here.

    Indeed. :(

    Which reminds me...I'll take Janjaweed Militias for $1000, Alex
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    no oil in Turkey.

    Ah so we're back to this again.
    NOPE!!!

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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    I don't believe in capital punishment at all and I think it's unrighteous even to take the life of an evil man like Saddam.

    I don't think it's ever right to take someone's life as punishment.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hippiemom wrote:
    My, what an interesting week. Here we have the death of Gerald Ford, which has brought forth an encore of praise for his decision to pardon Nixon because our country ... the most stable democracy in the history of the world ... would not have been able to stand to see it's leader on trial.

    On the other hand, here we have Saddam ... tried, convicted and executed within mere months. How is it that this country, the very antithesis of stability, was able to withstand what the United States wouldn't even consider?

    This is hardly a fair comparison. You have some serious issues with the Nixon regime, for some reasons way beyond my comprehension. You seem to think suffering should beget suffering.
    Nixon resigned under the pressure of the spying on Democrats involved in Watergate. He wasn't on trial for Vietnam, or the actions he took on that front. He inherited a war on his election in '68 and believed it was a war that could be won. Again, though, his pardon was based on the Watergate affair.
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