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  • meconium
    meconium Posts: 40
    i love that chronic....

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    meconium wrote:
    "i believe in god because c.s. lewis said so in the lion the witch and the wardrobe"
    ??
    do you believe in bigfoot as well?? it's the same shit. at least there is video of bigfoot ...somewhat questionable


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw7NMt-LSh0

    Actually Penn & Teller made that Bigfoot Video for their episode on mythical creatures. It's a guy in a gorillia suit. It's also apparent by the way the creature walks that it's a man.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    our human nature is not the same as Nature.
    but yes perhaps, our mistakes represent a natural occurence. but i see it only insofar as we make them as one of Nature's beings.
    When i say we put ourselves outside Nature i mean we do everything in our power to 'tame' Nature and choose to thwart her rather than work with her. we do this in total disregard to everything that is around us. everything within Nature follows an order and Man just screws with it. Why? simply because he can. because his supposed higher intellect allows it.

    The only problem I have is that Man is a he and nature is a she in your post. And He abuses Her. ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • meconium
    meconium Posts: 40
    bigfoot>god

    look it up
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The only problem I have is that Man is a he and nature is a she in your post. And He abuses Her. ;)

    you know ahnimus i get into this trouble at uni. when i say Man (with a capital M) i mean Mankind as opposed to male vs female. :) but to me Nature will always be a she. she is our mother. our nurturer. she is what gives us life.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    meconium wrote:
    "i believe in god because c.s. lewis said so in the lion the witch and the wardrobe"
    ??
    do you believe in bigfoot as well?? it's the same shit. at least there is video of bigfoot ...somewhat questionable


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw7NMt-LSh0

    cs lewis is perhaps the world's most renowned christian scholar. his space trilogy is essentially a religious allegory. he also wrote the screwtape letters and numerous essays on the logic of catholicism. his writings are widely considered by the church and academics as the finest out there when it comes to putting the catholic religion to laypeople. there's more to it than narnia.

    interesting note: cs lewis was a staunch atheist. he was converted to catholicism by none other than jrr tolkien... yes the author of lord of the rings (a work that contains plenty of its own christian imagery).
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    cs lewis is perhaps the world's most renowned christian scholar. his space trilogy is essentially a religious allegory. he also wrote the screwtape letters and numerous essays on the logic of catholicism. his writings are widely considered by the church and academics as the finest out there when it comes to putting the catholic religion to laypeople. there's more to it than narnia.

    interesting note: cs lewis was a staunch atheist. he was converted to catholicism by none other than jrr tolkien... yes the author of lord of the rings (a work that contains plenty of its own christian imagery).

    Yea, but look at ID and the other "logical" arguements. People will believe any kind of twisted logic, especially if they aren't very smart. The whole Beanie Baby craze is a good example of human stupidity. On the other hand, I've never read any C.S. Lewis.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    you know ahnimus i get into this trouble at uni. when i say Man (with a capital M) i mean Mankind as opposed to male vs female. :) but to me Nature will always be a she. she is our mother. our nurturer. she is what gives us life.

    I think nature is a hermaphrodite, so I call nature it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    soulsinging wrote:
    cs lewis is perhaps the world's most renowned christian scholar. his space trilogy is essentially a religious allegory. he also wrote the screwtape letters and numerous essays on the logic of catholicism. his writings are widely considered by the church and academics as the finest out there when it comes to putting the catholic religion to laypeople. there's more to it than narnia.

    interesting note: cs lewis was a staunch atheist. he was converted to catholicism by none other than jrr tolkien... yes the author of lord of the rings (a work that contains plenty of its own christian imagery).

    mere christianity and the problem of pain are 2 very good reads...if anyone is interested.
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  • meconium
    meconium Posts: 40
    "christian scholar " is an oxymoron
    it is like a "tooth fairy theorist"
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Yea, but look at ID and the other "logical" arguements. People will believe any kind of twisted logic, especially if they aren't very smart. The whole Beanie Baby craze is a good example of human stupidity. On the other hand, I've never read any C.S. Lewis.

    im not defending christianity. im not christian. im just saying there is a lot more to cs lewis than children's books. he was a highly respected scholar and should not be laughed off like those posters did (who im guessing dont know jack shit about lewis outside of the movie).

    all i was saying is he makes a good case for it, if you're interested in hearing the other side's logic.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    catefrances wrote:
    When i say we put ourselves outside Nature i mean we do everything in our power to 'tame' Nature and choose to thwart her rather than work with her. we do this in total disregard to everything that is around us. everything within Nature follows an order and Man just screws with it. Why? simply because he can. because his supposed higher intellect allows it.

    Right, but this higher intellect is a result of nature's doing. Our disregard for nature is product of nature's doing. Therefore, we are a mistake of nature.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    soulsinging wrote:
    im not defending christianity. im not christian. im just saying there is a lot more to cs lewis than children's books. he was a highly respected scholar and should not be laughed off like those posters did (who im guessing dont know jack shit about lewis outside of the movie).

    all i was saying is he makes a good case for it, if you're interested in hearing the other side's logic.

    That's cool, like I said I've never read any C.S. Lewis. I've never even seen the movies based on his writings. Tolkien is a bit different, I've seen all of the LOTR movies and I actually read The Hobbit. It's like the only book I've ever read that was fictional.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    It kind of confuses me a little bit when people say "read such and such for the answers" without saying anything else. Is it that hard to just briefly go over some of the highlights?
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  • chopitdown
    chopitdown Posts: 2,222
    sponger wrote:
    It kind of confuses me a little bit when people say "read such and such for the answers" without saying anything else. Is it that hard to just briefly go over some of the highlights?

    http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0032.html
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    im not defending christianity. im not christian. im just saying there is a lot more to cs lewis than children's books. he was a highly respected scholar and should not be laughed off like those posters did (who im guessing dont know jack shit about lewis outside of the movie).

    all i was saying is he makes a good case for it, if you're interested in hearing the other side's logic.

    there's a movie? ;)
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    humanlight wrote:
    So God's plan takes away human responsibility?

    You mean the responsibility of a six year old who gets raped?

    What the fuck did he/she do to bring the wrath of God upon his/her self?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    sponger wrote:
    Right, but this higher intellect is a result of nature's doing. Our disregard for nature is product of nature's doing. Therefore, we are a mistake of nature.

    Nature gave us the tools. we misuse them. that is OUR mistake, not Nature's. and it doesn't make us Nature's mistake.
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    catefrances wrote:
    Nature gave us the tools. we misuse them. that is OUR mistake, not Nature's. and it doesn't make us Nature's mistake.

    So, basically, nature purposely left it up to us to make the right decisions.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    know1 wrote:
    I think the earth is amazingly constructed. I'm sorry you feel otherwise.

    you think its amazingly constructed as you are but a mere mortal... so for us to look at the earths design makes our tiny minds boggle... it is indeed an amazing thing, but if i were omnipotent and truly the ultimate powerful deity, then i would like to think i would have made my creation so sturdy that the plates wouldnt move around and kill thousands of people throughout the years... you know, take a bit of time over it!
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.

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