proof that god exists..

farfromglorified

dunkman1974 wrote:

thanks... high standards are a thing of mine, now if you'll excuse me i have to go back through all of my 8,000+ posts to check for comma mistakes...

laters

Fear not...grammar is a human construct. Again I doubt God cares

my2hands

sponger wrote:

...something I read on another board. I am an atheist, but who cares.

0 can never equal 1

This is a simplest form of the case for God. 1 represents something, 0 of course represents nothing. Nothing can not spawn something. But apparently this has happened. One day energy just existed. this equation shows that this is impossible. However if you consider a supernatural being, not bound by the laws of the universe, it becomes possible. Our existence today proves this to be true. 0 can not multiply, it can not become one, it can only be 0. 1 however is a representation of the existence of energy. it can mean both one proton, or 1 can mean all of the matter within the universe.. both are equally impossible.

pass the bong chief

rigneyclan

Ahnimus wrote:

Ok, it's like the intelligent design theory. The rule is only applied to ourselves. If we are here we must have came from something. That is supposed to mean god exists, but applying that same logic to God's existance means something existed before god. Most people argue that human logic does not apply to God.

With intelligent design the theory is that since we are so complex that we must have been created, like a watch. But God is the most complext entity of everything. Does that mean God must have been created?

If something can't be zero so it must be one. That does not prove God. It is logical to believe that matter never stops existing but only changes forms. This is the current perception of the universe. There is not begining or end, everything just is. Personally I think the big bang theory is kind of far-fetched for the evidence it's based on.

At any rate, the current scientific theory is that there always has been something. Energy always has been and always will be. It's the fabric of space and time. God may or may not fit in there somewhere. I just don't think dividing boolean numbers is the answer. Especially when that level of logic can only be applied to us and not God.

I agree with Ahnimus.

know1

dunkman1974 wrote:

well... explain why the earth is poorly constructed?

and as a result of this amateur global jigsaw being so crappily made it has been spewing forth hot magma over the years killing thousands of people and 250,000 deaths caused via an underground earthquake forming a giant tsunami... and you know that some of the victims of these events didnt havr time to truly accept god so now they reside in hell... and god caused them to be in hell, because he didnt give them 'time' to accept him...

thats pretty fucked up

I think the earth is amazingly constructed. I'm sorry you feel otherwise.

Puck78

darthvedder81 wrote:

Whatever side you come down on, the origin of the universe eventually becomes a matter of faith and not science. Science needs to be observed and studied and hopefully reproduced. Until someone events a time machine we aren't going to be able to scientifically deduce anything.

the nobel prize for physics of this year is for the observation of the cosmic microwave background, that is a big bang residual. So: we have observations for that. We have also observations of creation of particles in accelerators.

darthvedder81 wrote:

What I always wonder about the big bang is how did all that matter that exploded and made everything get there? What caused caused it to "explode" in the first place? If there's one thing that the laws of thermodynamics teach us it's that there are definite cause/effect relationships in the natural world so why should that be any different during the formation of the universe?

quantum mechanics doesn't contradict thermodinamics

darthvedder81 wrote:

At some point, whether you believe in intelligent design or not, you have to come to terms with the fact that the world had no true beginning and that time is infinite—and that's not a scientific thing that's a belief thing.

YOURS belief that YOU faced.

chopitdown

Collin wrote:

Why would it be more difficult to prove he doesn't exist?

in order to prove that God (or something beyond our reasoning) doesn't exist you must be able to know beyond your reasoning, which is impossible. You can say that you don't accept that God may exist (b/c of life experience, etc...) but you can't prove he doesn't exist.

sonicreducer

i kicked a 98 yard punt once when i played high school football. god is real, and he made the wind blow for me that day.

and i don't care that it was in practice,...

my long in a game was 63 and my average senior year was 41.5. (for the sports fans and critics)

meconium

why did jesus allow his dumbassed followers to think the world was flat for 15 centuries?

why?? because he didn't exist and there is no god

move along

macgyver06

if you knew how we got here...would it change the fact that we are...and would it tell us where we are going?

who cares how it got started..let your guard down...and it will end.

humanlight

69charger wrote:

Just remember folks...

Child molesters, cancer, genocide, anal rape, murder, hippies...

All part of God's Plan.

So God's plan takes away human responsibility?

humanlight

sonicreducer wrote:

i kicked a 98 yard punt once when i played high school football. god is real, and he made the wind blow for me that day.

and i don't care that it was in practice,...

my long in a game was 63 and my average senior year was 41.5. (for the sports fans and critics)

I am glad you believe in God, but it seems strange to me that your belief is based on a football punt. I am not trying to burst your bubble, really I am not. But I don't feel like God cares about my dancing, my cheerleading skills, or even if I eat. I think he has far more important issues than a high school football game. I just don't feel that important to God, for him to be interested in my mundane days.

Ahnimus

If God does exist, it's probably something like dark matter.

Dark matter is believed to be like the glue that holds the universe together. Because our current understanding of the Universe fails when mathematically calculated. Building a computer simulated universe we see the universe fall apart. But by adding this "dark matter" into the simulation events happen almost identically to reality. Unfortunately the whole concept of dark matter is that it is not like normal matter, it does not consist of atoms, it consists of other things which we can not detect because we exist in the realm of atomic matter. A team of researches have spent 16 years in a mine trying to discover dark matter.

Some quantum physicists believe that atomic matter is really an array of tendancies until it's observed. Some people that observer is God. These are the best scientific arguements for God I've heard, though they are still highly theoretical and open for other explanations.

People seem to think if we can't explain something, it must be God.

chopitdown

Ahnimus wrote:

People seem to think if we can't explain something, it must be God.

and if your presupposition allows no room for God..it can't be God, ever and has to be something else.

Ahnimus

chopitdown wrote:

and if your presupposition allows no room for God..it can't be God, ever and has to be something else.

That is true as well. Maybe it's best if we all just stop trying to prove/disprove God and consider the possibilities with a scientific method.

chopitdown

Ahnimus wrote:

That is true as well. Maybe it's best if we all just stop trying to prove/disprove God and consider the possibilities with a scientific method.

the scientific method is very good for inferring or measuring etc.. things that are objective and repeatable. But b/c there are things that we can't repeat and things that aren't objective, God will inevitably be thrown in as a possibility and in my view should be.

Ahnimus

chopitdown wrote:

the scientific method is very good for inferring or measuring etc.. things that are objective and repeatable. But b/c there are things that we can't repeat and things that aren't objective, God will inevitably be thrown in as a possibility and in my view should be.

Well the reality is, if God is creator of all things and is all things. I don't think we will ever be able to prove/disprove God's existance using any methods scientific or otherwise. But I agree, the possibility shouldn't be totally thrown out.

However, following some previous logic. If all things must come from something, then God must be nothing. Because as the alpha and omega, he could not have been created from something, so he/it must be nothing.

chopitdown

Ahnimus wrote:

However, following some previous logic. If all things must come from something, then God must be nothing. Because as the alpha and omega, he could not have been created from something, so he/it must be nothing.

or everything. Of course that's assuming he's bound to principles of physics etc...Which I don't see why he would have to be.

Boom The Cat

I have always said this: God exists, I just dont believe in him, beleif stretches from beyond our world, and beyond most of our thoughts, people want material 'proof' of god, which I would suppose is the last place to find him. (Am I right christians?)

Belief in something doesnt always have to be material, belief may not be real to you, but to someone else, it could be an amazingly important thing, with the power of beleif, alot can be done.

Ahnimus

chopitdown wrote:

or everything. Of course that's assuming he's bound to principles of physics etc...Which I don't see why he would have to be.

That's the ultimate stumbling block to our proof/disproof of God. I'm a non-theist though, so soon I'll start trying to disprove God. I do however, fully admit that it's highly improbable that anyone will ever prove/disprove God.

Ahnimus

Boom The Cat wrote:

I have always said this: God exists, I just dont believe in him, beleif stretches from beyond our world, and beyond most of our thoughts, people want material 'proof' of god, which I would suppose is the last place to find him. (Am I right christians?)

Belief in something doesnt always have to be material, belief may not be real to you, but to someone else, it could be an amazingly important thing, with the power of beleif, alot can be done.

Conceptually speaking, yes. God does exist.