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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    very interesting thread development indeed ...

    my thoughts that we can take all the semantics out of the equation and the bare bones truth is that OLS is right when we say we are all selfish and what not - regardless of how he came to that conclusion - that is the reality ... this board although anonymous offers many insights into people - right or wrong ...

    it is normal for people to get their "backs up" when faced with criticism - it takes much more effort to self-reflect on that and see it for what it is ...

    the planet is falling apart and it is OUR fault - we are just fortunate to live in a part of the world that will suffer the least ... but people are suffering now for our previous shortcomings ... you can do a lot of things that are going to help but in the end - we fucked up this place together and we'll only fix it together ... and that means you and me ...
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Cosmo wrote:
    Note: Rockets burn solid rocket fuel made from aluminum powder and the Space Shuttle is powered by liquid oxygen after the twin solid rocket boosters are jettisoned.

    Not all rockets burn solid fuel and the SRBs of the Space Shuttle use a composite fuel made of Ammonium Perchlorate, Aluminum Powder, Iron Oxide, and a rubber binding agent. The Shuttle's three main engines (liquid Hydrogen and Oxygen) are ignited seven seconds before the solid rocket boosters are ignited. The Shuttle is powered by the three main engines and the SRBs for the first two minutes of ascent. The boosters burn out and are jettisoned and the Shuttle continues for the next 6.5 minutes powered only by the three main engines.
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Sorry that a few have gone off on ya.


    I for one like the idea of solar, I don't like the cost. That about ends it for me right there. But on the flip side of life: I use candles instead of light. If it wasn't for the need of heat in the winter, I would barely have an electricity or gas bill to speak of. Our recycling in our house produces one whole garbage bag in a two month span if we are lucky. I think we do more then most for helping the planet without the wealth to buy solar. So I have to laugh at the people who get all defensive when you appear on the board to chat. I will admit that between the links that you, Polaris and a few others have put up in the threads that discuss solar have been nice to read and absorb.
    You've changed your place in this world!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    many have noticed my DON'T GIVE A **** attitude the last few weeks. i've been given a limited time to live so i won't be here. but i do care about what kind of world my grandchidren will have to live in.

    I didnt see this post and I'm really sorry to hear this. you have many friends here and support. keep your head up
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Jeanie wrote:
    I really wouldn't worry so much tree he'll be dead soon and you can be one of the charming individuals dancing on his grave.


    :rolleyes:

    Give me a break.

    First of all, I responded to his thread starter post.

    So in your book, it's okay for this guy to come in here and basically attempt to insult, attack and denegrate everyone's integrity and personal character.

    It's okay for him to be so pretentious that he assumes he can evaluate and determine all the MT people's character, honesty, integrity and contributions to society and to important/significant causes? He basically said a large majority of the MT members are phonies, who only talk about these issues; but never do anything through action.

    Why is it okay?

    Does this guy know that many MT members are very active in protesting important issues on both a local and national level, working hard to fight some of the most serious of issues at hand; as well as very active in supporting and working to aid charities, and the poor/hungry in our respective communities? Does he know how many hours of hard work, food, essential goods and money the MT people have devoted and donated to these causes?

    No, apparently he does not. Maybe if he got to know some of the MT people, on a personal and friendly level, as opposed to assuming that his ridiculous "experiment" post was the all-encompassing and definitive character analysis and evaluation of the character of MT people; then maybe....just maybe; he'd refrain from making such absurd generalizations.

    I find it interesting you are even defending his actions. The MT are like a swarm of sharks converging on a bleeding prey; anytime anyone even comes off with something that even can be remotely interpreted as a generalization or stereotype. Yet you're defending and justifying a guy who just attempted to insult and denegrate a whole group of people, all at once.

    Amazing how that works. Where's the consistency?

    Ultimately, I couldn't care less what he thinks his "experiment" revealed. His assumptions and insults don't mean a damn thing to me, personally. His "experiment results" don't change the truth.

    But there are an awful lot of good people here at the MT, who do a lot of good, hard work.

    Not to mention that I think he's full of crap.

    If he truely is sick and dying, then, he has my sympathy and empathy. Not just for him, but for his family, too.

    But why would he want to spend his remaining time alive, by attacking and attempting to insult everyone on the MTl; based on such weak and shallow nonsense? He doesn't know us all on a personal level. And for one to assume these things on such a ridiclous "experiment" that utilized such ridiculous approach; does not speak well for his intentions.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Dude...that was a tad harsh. Jus sayin... I'm no saint either but...

    What was harsh was some goofball thinking he knows everyone on the MT, on a personal level. That's what was harsh.

    Furthermore, excusing him for this behavior because "he's sick" is absolutely shortsighted.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    I'm done. I hope those of you that feel the need to throw this crap around are finding it worth your little soapbox moments.

    I just feel sick to my stomach.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Jeanie wrote:
    I'm done. I hope those of you that feel the need to throw this crap around are finding it worth your little soapbox moments.

    I just feel sick to my stomach.

    Uh yeah. maybe one day you'll learn to see the forest from the trees.
  • Jeanie wrote:
    That's all I'm getting from you today. But then I don't see that any of my comments where directed at you anyway, so clearly you were bored and decided you weren't getting enough attention.

    When you make blanket statements they are pretty much directed at everyone...

    Like I said, if he is truly sick, my heart and thoughts go out to him and his family... my mother luckily beat ovarian cancer, and having gone through that, I would never wish suffering on anyone.

    But OLS has burnt his share of bridges here, and annoyed a lot of people with his arrogant, sometimes judgmental attitude, and when he makes things up to support his argument and then ignores responses/corrections when he gets called on it.

    As far as the responses that people receive here, they tend to reap what they sew. It's not hard to figure out the dynamics of this place, and people who purposely push the right buttons to get responses shouldn't be surprised when they happen.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    NMyTree wrote:
    Uh yeah. maybe one day you'll learn to see the forest from the trees.

    Oh and let me guess? You're gonna show me right? :rolleyes:

    So much compassion. You astound me. :rolleyes:
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    When you make blanket statements they are pretty much directed at everyone...

    Like I said, if he is truly sick, my heart and thoughts go out to him and his family... my mother luckily beat ovarian cancer, and having gone through that, I would never wish suffering on anyone.

    But OLS has burnt his share of bridges here, and annoyed a lot of people with his arrogant, sometimes judgmental attitude, and when he makes things up to support his argument and then ignores responses/corrections when he gets called on it.

    As far as the responses that people receive here, they tend to reap what they sew. It's not hard to figure the dynamics of this place out, and people who purposely push the right buttons to get responses shouldn't be surprised when they happen.

    Hope you are never really sick. I mean that. I truly hope you are never really sick.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    polaris wrote:
    the planet is falling apart and it is OUR fault - we are just fortunate to live in a part of the world that will suffer the least ... but people are suffering now for our previous shortcomings ... you can do a lot of things that are going to help but in the end - we fucked up this place together and we'll only fix it together ... and that means you and me ...

    ...and exactly how is this a startling revelation? He, you.....both of you needed a poorly executed "experiment" to tell you this?

    How do you, him or anyone here know what any of us do in our lives to change the situation? Do you know everyone here on a personal level and know of their living conditions, daily routines and habits?
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Jeanie wrote:
    Oh and let me guess? You're gonna show me right? :rolleyes:

    So much compassion. You astound me. :rolleyes:


    Phoney compassion is the same as none.

    Get over yourself. You're no more sensitive or compassionate than anyone else, here.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    NMyTree wrote:
    Phoney compassion is the same as none.

    Get over yourself. You're no more sensitive or compassionate than anyone else, here.

    whatever.
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Jeanie wrote:
    whatever.

    hehe :D


    ok lets play nice now.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    NMyTree wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    Give me a break.

    First of all, I responded to his thread starter post.

    So in your book, it's okay for this guy to come in here and basically attempt to insult, attack and denegrate everyone's integrity and personal character.

    if you think his initial post was that bad - so be it i guess ... but i would say hardly ...

    i think you did what most people do - you got all defensive and lashed out instead of listening to what it is he is trying to say ... but that's just my opinion ... i don't think we get anywhere when we start calling people fools and stuff ...
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hehe :D


    ok lets play nice now.

    Oh I was! ;)
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    NMyTree wrote:
    ...and exactly how is this a startling revelation? He, you.....both of you needed a poorly executed "experiment" to tell you this?

    How do you, him or anyone here know what any of us do in our lives to change the situation? Do you know everyone here on a personal level and know of their living conditions, daily routines and habits?

    i didn't base my opinion on his "experiment" ... it's based on a reflection on the lifestyle we live here in north america ... it is unsustainable for the planet ... i know some of you on a personal level and many of course no - but i'm willing to bet that you aren't doing enough because even our champions of the environmental movement realize they aren't doing enough ...

    so ... feel free to get all defensive and hide behind the anonymity of a message board ... or if you like - you can put yourself out there and detail exactly what it is you DO do - i will eat my words and apologize for offending you with my opinion of people in general ...
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    Jeanie wrote:
    Oh I was! ;)

    Nah, you're just doing what you usually do. You pretend you're Mother Teresa because it makes you feel better than everyone else. Superior to everyone else. The ultimate in compassion. The ultimate in sensitivity.

    What an interesting mechanism you have going on, there.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    NMyTree wrote:
    Nah, you're just doing what you usually do. You pretend you're Mother Teresa because it makes you feel better than everyone else. Superior to everyone else. The ultimate in compassion. The ultimate in sensitivity.

    What an interesting mechanism you have going on, there.

    :D LMAO!!! Mother Teresa??? hahahahahahahahahaha!!
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift